Castle 1515 Actual Kv

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  • NeverEnuff
    Junior Member
    • Jul 2011
    • 19

    #1

    Castle 1515 Actual Kv

    What is the actual measured Kv for a Castle 1515 1Y motor? How about a Neu 1515 1Y? I measured my Castle 1515 1Y to be 2350 rpm/volt. Just wondering if this sounds correct? I used the data log from my Castle ESC and also verified it with my Snapon Photo tach. Thanks
  • StevenBryant
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2012
    • 359

    #2
    My castle 1515 has 2200kv on the box


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    • Fluid
      Fast and Furious
      • Apr 2007
      • 8012

      #3
      The actual Kv will vary depending on the load and voltage. The 2200 on the box is an approximation to guide the consumer in his choice of motors



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      • zooma
        Local club FE racer
        • May 2014
        • 650

        #4
        Originally posted by NeverEnuff
        What is the actual measured Kv for a Castle 1515 1Y motor? How about a Neu 1515 1Y? I measured my Castle 1515 1Y to be 2350 rpm/volt. Just wondering if this sounds correct? I used the data log from my Castle ESC and also verified it with my Snapon Photo tach. Thanks
        Could you explain how you are getting kv readings or calculations. Thanks.
        Ron - The Villages, FL

        https://castawaysboatworx.org/

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        • NeverEnuff
          Junior Member
          • Jul 2011
          • 19

          #5
          I connected a 2s battery and ran the motor no load at full throttle for a few seconds, after downloading the data log from my Castle ESC and looking at the data it was 16653 rpm at 7.0 volts = 2379 Kv. Next I did another run holding my Snap-On photo tach to the end of the motor shaft to verify the rpm reading and I got 16,100 rpm from the photo tach and looking at the data log the voltage was about 6.9 volts for a 2333 kv. Fluid, thanks for the response, I might repeat the test with 3s to see how much it changes. I don't know if I would want to go full throttle/no load with any more voltage than 3s.

          See attached data logs
          Castle 1515 1Y kv test.jpgCastle 1515 1Y Photo Tach Kv Test.jpg

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          • zooma
            Local club FE racer
            • May 2014
            • 650

            #6
            Ah-ha. Now, I am going to try that with my Swordfish logging ESC. What do you put onto the shaft for the photo tach to read? I am also an airplane guy, so I have used a suitable coupler and popsicle stick.

            I have one of those HobbyKing kv meters, and it's off by a lot (and I do verify the number of poles).

            Thanks a lot.
            Ron - The Villages, FL

            https://castawaysboatworx.org/

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            • Brushless55
              Creator
              • Oct 2008
              • 9488

              #7
              Interested to see how more testing like this goes...
              .NAMBA20...Caterpillar UL-1, P-Spec OM29, P-Mono DF33, P-Spec JAE, Aussie 33" Hydro-LSH, Sprintcat CC2028 on 8s, PT SS45 Q Hydro, PS295 UL-1 power, OSE Brothers Outlaw QMono 4-sale, Rio 51z CC2028 on 8s

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              • NeverEnuff
                Junior Member
                • Jul 2011
                • 19

                #8
                I have an older version of one of these:
                Photo Tach.jpg
                Then I used the cone attachment and pressed it up against the end of the motor shaft.

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                • kfxguy
                  Fast Electric Addict!
                  • Oct 2013
                  • 8746

                  #9
                  I've tested a few castle 1515's with my kv tester and they were almost dead on 2200kv (2222kv comes to mind).
                  32" carbon rivercat single 4s 102mph, 27” mini Rivercat 92mph, kbb34 91mph, jessej micro cat(too fast) was

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                  • Brushless55
                    Creator
                    • Oct 2008
                    • 9488

                    #10
                    Originally posted by kfxguy
                    I've tested a few castle 1515's with my kv tester and they were almost dead on 2200kv (2222kv comes to mind).
                    That's good to know..
                    .NAMBA20...Caterpillar UL-1, P-Spec OM29, P-Mono DF33, P-Spec JAE, Aussie 33" Hydro-LSH, Sprintcat CC2028 on 8s, PT SS45 Q Hydro, PS295 UL-1 power, OSE Brothers Outlaw QMono 4-sale, Rio 51z CC2028 on 8s

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                    • NeverEnuff
                      Junior Member
                      • Jul 2011
                      • 19

                      #11
                      So I reran the test on 2s, 3s, and 4s. The kv does go down as voltage increased. Here are the results from that test. (This is no load on the bench)

                      2s = 2373 Kv
                      3s = 2347 Kv
                      4s = 2322 Kv

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                      • Fluid
                        Fast and Furious
                        • Apr 2007
                        • 8012

                        #12
                        Testing at zero load tells you little about the motor's performance. What we care about is the Kv under load.....unless we don't run our boats in water.

                        An example is Neu (and many others) who obtain their Kv unloaded. OTOH Lehner tests their motors for Kv under load. If you choose a Neu and a Lehner both with the same listed Kv, your boat with the Neu will be a lot slower given the same prop.

                        Data logging on the water comparing the actual pack voltage to the motor rpm - at the same time - tells you the true Kv.


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                        • NeverEnuff
                          Junior Member
                          • Jul 2011
                          • 19

                          #13
                          I figured that I would update this thread after running my JAE FE 21.

                          Data from Castle ESC data log and speed from Eagle Tree GPS data log.

                          #Cell Voltage Current Watts RPM KV MPH
                          4s 13.3 125 1664 26940 2025 68
                          5s 16.0 158 2534 32254 2015 82
                          6s 20.2 194 3888 35243 1744 91

                          Castle 1515 1Y, Castle Converted Mamba XL2, Revo427 4800 batteries, 1817-17-45 prop

                          You can see the motor on 6s did not like the 1817-17-45 prop. I'm sure the full size turn fin and rudder are not helping at 91 mph.

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                          • kfxguy
                            Fast Electric Addict!
                            • Oct 2013
                            • 8746

                            #14
                            Originally posted by NeverEnuff
                            I figured that I would update this thread after running my JAE FE 21.

                            Data from Castle ESC data log and speed from Eagle Tree GPS data log.

                            #Cell Voltage Current Watts RPM KV MPH
                            4s 13.3 125 1664 26940 2025 68
                            5s 16.0 158 2534 32254 2015 82
                            6s 20.2 194 3888 35243 1744 91

                            Castle 1515 1Y, Castle Converted Mamba XL2, Revo427 4800 batteries, 1817-17-45 prop

                            You can see the motor on 6s did not like the 1817-17-45 prop. I'm sure the full size turn fin and rudder are not helping at 91 mph.
                            I bet it would go faster with a 1815-17-45 probably with every voltage setup. The 1817 is ALOT of prop for that motor.
                            32" carbon rivercat single 4s 102mph, 27” mini Rivercat 92mph, kbb34 91mph, jessej micro cat(too fast) was

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                            • NeverEnuff
                              Junior Member
                              • Jul 2011
                              • 19

                              #15
                              My Bad. I had a typo on the prop. It actually was a 1816-17-45.

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