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  • david hall
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2011
    • 111

    #1

    Need Help with a Lehner 1940 4 wind motor

    Tried a 1940 in a 2 lap boat this weekend. After the third time the motor unplugged it self we finally realized the windings and rear end bell is rotation in the can. If I hold the motor in my hand I can turn the windings and end bell by hand. Any suggestions?



    David
  • kfxguy
    Fast Electric Addict!
    • Oct 2013
    • 8746

    #2
    How big is this boat? The windings are pressed in from what I understand. Where you over heating the motor? Little bit about your setup? 3919kv doesn't belong in very many boats unless it's quite small.
    32" carbon rivercat single 4s 102mph, 27” mini Rivercat 92mph, kbb34 91mph, jessej micro cat(too fast) was

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    • david hall
      Senior Member
      • Jan 2011
      • 111

      #3
      I have talked to Tyler and he will be able to take care of the issue. I purchased the motor used, I am pretty sure the person I got it from didn't know it had a problem. But the boat is a 28" JAE type hydro on 4S running a 40mm prop. Moderate load but not extreme. With a healthy motor this should be a pretty good 2lap setup. I was not able to run the boat long enough to get it warm, ESC had very short leads so it unplugged itself pretty quick.

      Thanks for the reply, David

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      • NativePaul
        Greased Weasel
        • Feb 2008
        • 2760

        #4
        I would say that with 3919 loaded kv on 4s in a JAE a 40mm prop would be an extreme load. On 4s I was pulling over 120A with a detouged x438 in mine on only 2700kv (unloaded).
        Paul Upton-Taylor, Greased Weasel Racing.

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        • kfxguy
          Fast Electric Addict!
          • Oct 2013
          • 8746

          #5
          Originally posted by NativePaul
          I would say that with 3919 loaded kv on 4s in a JAE a 40mm prop would be an extreme load. On 4s I was pulling over 120A with a detouged x438 in mine on only 2700kv (unloaded).
          That was exactly my thoughts. But hey what do I know
          32" carbon rivercat single 4s 102mph, 27” mini Rivercat 92mph, kbb34 91mph, jessej micro cat(too fast) was

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          • Doug Smock
            Moderator
            • Apr 2007
            • 5272

            #6
            Guys David knows what he's doing. He just set the fastest IMPBA 1/4 mile two lap record ever recorded with his T Hydro. 14.xx sec.

            But kids, don't try this at home.

            Congratulations on the record David!! Hope to see you guys soon.
            MODEL BOAT RACER
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            District 13 Director 2011- present
            IMPBA National Records Director 2009-2019
            IMPBA 19887L CD
            NAMBA 1169

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            • david hall
              Senior Member
              • Jan 2011
              • 111

              #7
              Paul and KFXGUY, thanks for the comments. If the setup was in a cat or mono I would agree. The JAE's are pretty efficient, I have attached a file below showing the current and temperature of the controller. The prop was a 1640 octura out of the bag. I wish I had noticed that I did not have all the options selected in the logging. I could usually run a little over a minute before it unplugged itself. The setup looked really good.

              4S hydro april 2015.jpg

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              • david hall
                Senior Member
                • Jan 2011
                • 111

                #8
                Doug Thanks, It was a lot of fun. Now the 10S setup is extreme. you have 3 laps, the 4th lap and the rotor comes apart. You still planning on making the august trial?

                David

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                • Peter A
                  Fast Electric Addict!
                  • Sep 2012
                  • 1486

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Doug Smock
                  Guys David knows what he's doing. He just set the fastest IMPBA 1/4 mile two lap record ever recorded with his T Hydro. 14.xx sec.

                  But kids, don't try this at home.

                  Congratulations on the record David!! Hope to see you guys soon.
                  14 sec., that is quick, a 14sec lap is fast, but two! Awesome stuff. Don't suppose there is a video of that?
                  NZMPBA 2013, 2016 Open Electric Champion. NZMPBA 2016 P Offshore Champion.
                  2016 SUHA Q Sport Hydro Hi Points Champion.
                  BOPMPBC Open Mono, Open Electric Champion.

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                  • kfxguy
                    Fast Electric Addict!
                    • Oct 2013
                    • 8746

                    #10
                    Originally posted by david hall
                    Paul and KFXGUY, thanks for the comments. If the setup was in a cat or mono I would agree. The JAE's are pretty efficient, I have attached a file below showing the current and temperature of the controller. The prop was a 1640 octura out of the bag. I wish I had noticed that I did not have all the options selected in the logging. I could usually run a little over a minute before it unplugged itself. The setup looked really good.

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                    Apologies, I wasn't aware of your experience. Most guys cannot get away with running a hot setup like that, the reason for my reply.
                    32" carbon rivercat single 4s 102mph, 27” mini Rivercat 92mph, kbb34 91mph, jessej micro cat(too fast) was

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                    • david hall
                      Senior Member
                      • Jan 2011
                      • 111

                      #11
                      14.610 1/4 mile 2 lap

                      Try This

                      Not a problem, I don't get on line very much.

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                      • Doug Smock
                        Moderator
                        • Apr 2007
                        • 5272

                        #12
                        Originally posted by david hall
                        Doug Thanks, It was a lot of fun. Now the 10S setup is extreme. you have 3 laps, the 4th lap and the rotor comes apart. You still planning on making the august trial?

                        David
                        That hydro is sick David!

                        Yes sir, Huntsville in August is on the calendar!
                        MODEL BOAT RACER
                        IMPBA President
                        District 13 Director 2011- present
                        IMPBA National Records Director 2009-2019
                        IMPBA 19887L CD
                        NAMBA 1169

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                        • photohoward1
                          Fast Electric Addict!
                          • Mar 2009
                          • 1610

                          #13
                          So 2 laps on an 1/8th mile track?

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                          • RaceMechaniX
                            Fast Electric Addict!
                            • Sep 2007
                            • 2827

                            #14
                            David,

                            That is pretty efficient if you are only pulling 120A on a 4S set-up and still going that fast. I run about the same current in a heat race set-up for P Hydro with the 1415 1Y. Time to prop up.

                            TG
                            Tyler Garrard
                            NAMBA 639/IMPBA 20525
                            T-Hydro @ 142.94mph former WR

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                            • david hall
                              Senior Member
                              • Jan 2011
                              • 111

                              #15
                              Howard, yes, in IMPBA we have several legal courses that we can set records on. The 2 mostly used are 1/3 mile and 1/4 mile. The 1/4 mile record is made up of 2 1/8 mile laps. We start timing at buoy 1 and end at buoy 1. We did a straight line run with the boat without the turning just to check speed and it was running 97mph.

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