Zonda 42 twin sea king 180's

[paulejr]

Xrayted, yes i did and i am not using the 3pv , just a cheap Spektrum that i run my Impulse 32 on , which runs at 50 mph. I thought by switching tx/rx i could see if it was the esc/motors or ?? and got the same result .. 18-20 mph ..on the same batteries. so TFL tech says batteries are sagging but the after run volt test show no significant loss of voltage between the two ( one on one esc/mtr and one on the other set) .having tried other 50 c and 100 c Smart batteries and got the same results.

[Xrayted]

This is absolutely not a battery issue no matter what TFL is telling you. What does the throttle channel show within the spectrum menu that you’re using now? Does the throttle channel show reversed or normal?

if you were to switch back to the 3PV, the throttle channel menu should be set to reversed in order to work properly. that is the same transmitter I use with all of my boats as well.

I had the exact same issue as you with a 36 inch MissGeico fast electric twin. I had a GPS in mine for its first run and guess how fast it went? You got it, 18 mph with two Seaking 180s! We spent about two hours screwing around with it, until I suddenly remembered that Futaba must be reversed

Reversed the throttle in the radio, then was able to calibrate the throttle endpoints, and then the next run was 89 mph

You’re jumping right into the deep end of the pool with this boat considering your experience level. That boat can easily achieve triple digits, and you need to have some level of understanding of basic electrical physics or you can easily burn one down since they run right on the ragged edge of what the equipment is able to handle, and even then, sometimes for only a few seconds at a time

Good luck, and this will absolutely get sorted soon for you, and will likely be something stupid simple in the end

[Panther6834]

Listening to the props spinning, it's sounds like they're full throttle...so, I really don't know.


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[Bande1]

then its cavitation maybe

[jkflow]

Almost certain that you have forward/reverse mixed up. ESC will only do ~ 60% in reverse. That is a setting on the transmitter, but that is not where it ends.

Switch transmitter to 'Reverse',
then flip 2 wires ea between motor and ESC,
next, do a throttle range adjust per ESC manual.

Now you might still not be done, make sure that the flex shafts turn in the right direction, if they do turn the right direction you need to make sure that the props spin outward for best stability.

No, do NOT skip or jump forward, these steps have to be done in the right order.

[paulejr]

I give it a try. right now the props spin inward. back to the 3PV Futaba.

[paulejr]

I trying... the manual says to:

2. If you are using a pistol transmitter:a) Pull the throttle trigger to the top forward position (/full throttle), connect the ESC to the battery pack, then turn the switch on; 2 seconds later, a row of “Beep- Beep-” can be heard, that means the full throttle position has been confirmed.b) Release the throttle trigger to the neutral position, a steady and long “Beep—” can be heard, that means the neutral position has been confirmed.

this boat has no switch on either of the two ESC's .now what? when connecting one , it bleeds over to the other .. hmmmm , putting a switch between the esc and the rx does not work either,hmm.

[paulejr]

If i reverse the factory rotation , wont that unwind the flex shaft? can one arbitrarily reverse these ?

Almost certain that you have forward/reverse mixed up. ESC will only do ~ 60% in reverse. That is a setting on the transmitter, but that is not where it ends.

Switch transmitter to 'Reverse',
then flip 2 wires ea between motor and ESC,
next, do a throttle range adjust per ESC manual.

Now you might still not be done, make sure that the flex shafts turn in the right direction, if they do turn the right direction you need to make sure that the props spin outward for best stability.

No, do NOT skip or jump forward, these steps have to be done in the right order.

[Bande1]

If i reverse the factory rotation , wont that unwind the flex shaft? can one arbitrarily reverse these ?

esc's can be calibrated wrong and make pulling the trigger the reverse as if youre pushing the trigger. That would make the boat go in reverse when you pull the trigger. Except then the controller can reverse it also. so you will go forward because its double reversed. but with highly limited throttle.

to easily test this push the trigger forward and see if it spins significantly faster than pulling it.

[paulejr]

AH ha, motor , when rev on the 3PV ch 2 runs significantly faster outboard , than on NOR , turning inboard. So, now all i have to do pull down both stingers , reverse the flexs and then rev two wires on each motor and she should be read to go full throttle. Or, i can just reverse the leads and let em turn inwards.

[Bande1]

AH ha, motor , when rev on the 3PV ch 2 runs significantly faster outboard , than on NOR , turning inboard. So, now all i have to do pull down both stingers , reverse the flexs and then rev two wires on each motor and she should be read to go full throttle. Or, i can just reverse the leads and let em turn inwards.

they can turn inward. leave all that alone for right now. switch any two wires on each motor and they will spin fast inward. the reverse trigger issue is now in the esc calibration. Im not sure how to reset that on seaking esc's. you need to see the manual or go find it online.

[paulejr]

Thanks Bande1, Futaba instructions are ok but it is not like having someone or someones walk one thru that. Lake tomorrow if the wind holds and i'll get a video now i have YouTube account to post it too.
Thanks again everyone for helping out!!!

[Xrayted]

Swapping any two wires on a brushless motor will reverse the direction of the motor itself, and that is not the problem here, and certainly not what you want to happen as it will unravel your cables. There is also nothing within the programming of the ESC’s that controls throttle direction either

The problem is the throttle channel and signal from the transmitter is reversed. None of this will have any affect at all on which direction the prop turns, as it’s the signal that’s being misinterpreted so that when he pulls the trigger to go forward, it’s actually seeing the limited reverse throttle signal portion and giving him very little forward movement.

This is what I have been trying to convey from the very beginning of this discussion. The only thing required to resolve this is to reverse the throttle channel within the radio. This has nothing to do with reversing the props or reversing the boat. It simply reverses the SIGNAL so that it’s being seen properly by the ESC. I’ve had this exact same situation on two boats, and the solution was the same for both of them.

[Bande1]

Swapping any two wires on a brushless motor will reverse the direction of the motor itself, and that is not the problem here, and certainly not what you want to happen as it will unravel your cables. There is also nothing within the programming of the ESC?s that controls throttle direction either

The problem is the throttle channel and signal from the transmitter is reversed. None of this will have any affect at all on which direction the prop turns, as it?s the signal that?s being misinterpreted so that when he pulls the trigger to go forward, it?s actually seeing the limited reverse throttle signal portion and giving him very little forward movement.

This is what I have been trying to convey from the very beginning of this discussion. The only thing required to resolve this is to reverse the throttle channel within the radio. This has nothing to do with reversing the props or reversing the boat. It simply reverses the SIGNAL so that it?s being seen properly by the ESC. I?ve had this exact same situation on two boats, and the solution was the same for both of them.

You may be right, IDK about futaba's stuff but either way we will get it resolved. Ive had a flycolor be reversed like this and just needed recalibrated.

Turn on the transmitter, set parameters on the throttle channel like ?D/R?, ?EPA? and ?ATL? to 100% (for transmitter without LCD, please turn the knob to the maximum) and the throttle ?TRIM? to 0 (for transmitter without LCD, please turn the corresponding knob to the neutral position). For FutabaTM radio transmitter and similar ones, the direction of throttle channel shall be set to ?REV?, while other radio systems shall be set to ?NOR?. We strongly recommend activating the ?Fail Save? function of the radio system and set it (F/S) to ?Output OFF? or set its value to the ?Neutral Position? to ensure the boat can be stopped when there is no signal received from the transmitter. Note: if the transmitter has the ABS brake function, please disable it.
If you are using a pistol transmitter:


a) Pull the throttle trigger to the top forward position (/full throttle), connect the ESC to the battery pack, then turn the switch on; 2 seconds later, a row of ?Beep- Beep-? can be heard, that means the full throttle position has been confirmed. b) Release the throttle trigger to the neutral position, a steady and long ?Beep?? can be heard, that means the neutral position has been confirmed.
Note: When the motor emits ?Beep? tone(s), the red LED in the ESC flashes at the same time.

here's the manual online

https://www.hobbywingdirect.com/collections/seaking-v3-manual

So to test this theory set Xrayteds settings like hes told you and test if pulling the trigger now makes it spin fast. IF not follow the ESC directions. Turn the radio's trigger to REV like it say. pull the trigger and hook up the battery while pulling the trigger. let it beep twice and release the trigger. Then you will hear a long tone. That confirms the neutral position. Turn the boat off and back on and see if pulling the trigger now make it spin fast.

normally on most radios rev/nor sets the direction of motor spin (as does swapping wires). But apparently your RTR futaba ALSO reverses trigger pull. so that pushing is forward, pulling is reverse. Then if you have that setting mixed up and then calibrate the esc backward it's all jacked up.

Xrayted has your radio so he's been through this.

[Xrayted]

Yep, but he won’t be able to calibrate the throttle endpoints until the throttle signal is first set correctly. If it’s backward, it won’t recognize wide-open throttle in order to activate the calibrations sequence and give the tones to released the throttle trigger to set the other endpoint

those two steps were essentially the solution for my exact problem. Reverse the throttle channel in the radio, calibrate the throttle and done