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  • T.S.Davis
    Fast Electric Addict!
    • Oct 2009
    • 6220

    #1

    Raider ESC

    I know Steve sells the 150amp version. Is there a higher amp version available that Steve hasn't picked up yet?

    Going to need a new source for ESC besides Hobbywing.
    Noisy person
  • kfxguy
    Fast Electric Addict!
    • Oct 2013
    • 8746

    #2
    Not yet. I've been trying to convince the company to make a higher amp version. They really are very nice little escs. I like how low profile they are. Maybe I should see if Steve will persuade them into making a higher amp version. 200-220 or 250 amp version would sell like hot cakes. What about a sf220? Don't trust it? I think they are o.k. Escs but I don't care much for the lack of throttle response compared to a sk180. You always have the new version xl2 if you water cool it or find a ice 240 case you can swap the board into. I have an xl2 in my 102mph 4s Rivercat and its been handling 300+ amps for a few months now. I know it's not a circle boat but I feel like this esc is fairly tough. I think the main reason it's lasted this long is I epoxy coated the board. We all know castle escs even get a whiff of water and they stop working...lol. Check out this log.

    Btw if you don't mind me asking....what is it your running that needs more than the 150 raider but a sk180 will hold up (I'm assuming). The raider 150 is pretty tough from what ive experienced. I'd say it's very close to a sk180. The driving manners are the same too which is a plus

    32" carbon rivercat single 4s 102mph, 27” mini Rivercat 92mph, kbb34 91mph, jessej micro cat(too fast) was

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    • T.S.Davis
      Fast Electric Addict!
      • Oct 2009
      • 6220

      #3
      My limited boats get 120's but I run the 180 in P mono, P sport, P hydro, Q sport and Q mono. At the moment that is. The 180 is so under rated. Ever notice the burst on those? The Hobbywing is a great product but I can't support them anymore.

      I have a SF300 Lite. That think kicks total a$$. Programming was easy. Calibration worked flawlessly. The 220Plus low voltage burned up on the bench. Never made it to the water. The 120 cost me approximately 10 mph in my limited boats.

      I have a bushel of broken Castles. Hydra ICE240, Hydra ICE200HV, a converted Phoenix Ice lite. There are even some of the old school Hydra120, Hydra 240LV, Hydra240HV in the pile. ...........think I need to clean my shop up. Wonder if there are any Barracuda in the pile. hahaha I should put all the carcasses (carci?) in one pile and snap a pic.

      The Aliens are finicky at a minimum and plane ole' don't fire in some cases.

      Hobywing wont be getting any more of my money. It may behoove a company like the one that makes the Raider to take the next step.
      Noisy person

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      • Darin Jordan
        Fast Electric Addict!
        • Apr 2007
        • 8335

        #4
        Terry,

        Perhaps another option... thing is physically quite a bit bigger than the 120A that comes in the Voracity, etc., and I'm pretty certain that it's "under-rated" as well. The one caveat is that it IS programmatically limited to 8S...

        I'm using one in my Voracity, in case I want to do a motor "upgrade"...



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        "Self-proclaimed skill-less leader in the hobby."

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        • kfxguy
          Fast Electric Addict!
          • Oct 2013
          • 8746

          #5
          Originally posted by Darin Jordan
          Terry,

          Perhaps another option... thing is physically quite a bit bigger than the 120A that comes in the Voracity, etc., and I'm pretty certain that it's "under-rated" as well. The one caveat is that it IS programmatically limited to 8S...

          I'm using one in my Voracity, in case I want to do a motor "upgrade"...



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          Darin....have you compared that unit to an older v1 or v2 sk180? It's strikingly the same except encased in potting compound and a nice case....plus it has a nicer cooling block and the motor wires plug directly onto it which I love.
          32" carbon rivercat single 4s 102mph, 27” mini Rivercat 92mph, kbb34 91mph, jessej micro cat(too fast) was

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          • T.S.Davis
            Fast Electric Addict!
            • Oct 2009
            • 6220

            #6
            Is that what comes in the 48?

            Still a Hobbywing though.
            Noisy person

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            • kfxguy
              Fast Electric Addict!
              • Oct 2013
              • 8746

              #7
              Originally posted by T.S.Davis
              Is that what comes in the 48?

              Still a Hobbywing though.


              Yes and yes.


              I must ask. What's the problem with hobbywing?
              32" carbon rivercat single 4s 102mph, 27” mini Rivercat 92mph, kbb34 91mph, jessej micro cat(too fast) was

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              • Darin Jordan
                Fast Electric Addict!
                • Apr 2007
                • 8335

                #8
                Originally posted by T.S.Davis
                Is that what comes in the 48?

                Still a Hobbywing though.

                Castle is a dead-solid option... Expensive, but solid.

                Depending on how "dead" some of those you have there are, you might be able to combine some of the parts as well...
                Darin E. Jordan - Renton, WA
                "Self-proclaimed skill-less leader in the hobby."

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                • kfxguy
                  Fast Electric Addict!
                  • Oct 2013
                  • 8746

                  #9
                  I wish that castle would revisit the boat controller market. If they would just listen to us boaters then they could have a serious winner in the esc market. Take an xl2, make a better design cooling case for it than the ice 240, epoxy coat it and don't put little cheesy 35v caps on something that's rated at 8s. That's just cutting it too close. They already had a good base for it but never forged ahead. Also the warranty would need to be revised. It was way too lax. I like a warranty but not when the company straight up looses out because of people that purposely would push them past their limits.
                  32" carbon rivercat single 4s 102mph, 27” mini Rivercat 92mph, kbb34 91mph, jessej micro cat(too fast) was

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                  • Fluid
                    Fast and Furious
                    • Apr 2007
                    • 8011

                    #10
                    Castle's issue was economy of scale. The Hydra ICE controllers were identical to the aircraft controllers with different firmware and upper case half. Why design a marine-only controller just to sell a few hundred (maybe) a year when they can sell many thousands of the aircraft controllers? And they got one marine controller back for warranty for every hundred-plus air controllers they got back for warranty work....

                    The Chinese can afford to make marine-specific controllers because their labor, parts and overhead costs are an order of magnitude lower than Castles'. And many don't seem to listen very well to end users either. Put pretty anodizing on the controller and sell it at HobbyKing, it will move like hot cakes.

                    I have a bunch of Castle ICE air controllers I got real cheap from Castle on close out. Easy to mod for marine use. The current EDGE controllers work great too. An option if you aren't scared of a soldering iron.



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                    • kfxguy
                      Fast Electric Addict!
                      • Oct 2013
                      • 8746

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Fluid
                      Castle's issue was economy of scale. The Hydra ICE controllers were identical to the aircraft controllers with different firmware and upper case half. Why design a marine-only controller just to sell a few hundred (maybe) a year when they can sell many thousands of the aircraft controllers? And they got one marine controller back for warranty for every hundred-plus air controllers they got back for warranty work....

                      The Chinese can afford to make marine-specific controllers because their labor, parts and overhead costs are an order of magnitude lower than Castles'. And many don't seem to listen very well to end users either. Put pretty anodizing on the controller and sell it at HobbyKing, it will move like hot cakes.

                      I have a bunch of Castle ICE air controllers I got real cheap from Castle on close out. Easy to mod for marine use. The current EDGE controllers work great too. An option if you aren't scared of a soldering iron.



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                      Didn't notice till you said something but the edge 160 looks just like an ice 240 and mamba xl2. Hmm
                      32" carbon rivercat single 4s 102mph, 27” mini Rivercat 92mph, kbb34 91mph, jessej micro cat(too fast) was

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                      • ray schrauwen
                        Fast Electric Addict!
                        • Apr 2007
                        • 9471

                        #12


                        Anyone want to Guinea pig one if these? Lol... looks like the dogs breakfast.. only up to 6s...
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                        • kfxguy
                          Fast Electric Addict!
                          • Oct 2013
                          • 8746

                          #13
                          Originally posted by ray schrauwen
                          http://www.ebay.com/itm/272210403569...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

                          Anyone want to Guinea pig one if these? Lol... looks like the dogs breakfast.. only up to 6s...


                          That's my "favourite" esc!
                          32" carbon rivercat single 4s 102mph, 27” mini Rivercat 92mph, kbb34 91mph, jessej micro cat(too fast) was

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                          • RayR
                            @SiestaKey.calm
                            • Jun 2007
                            • 1518

                            #14
                            Originally posted by T.S.Davis
                            I know Steve sells the 150amp version. Is there a higher amp version available that Steve hasn't picked up yet?

                            Going to need a new source for ESC besides Hobbywing.
                            the raider is a hobby wing esc. Take a look at the manual, same as all the hobby wing manuals

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                            • T.S.Davis
                              Fast Electric Addict!
                              • Oct 2009
                              • 6220

                              #15
                              Crap.

                              Gonna take some time but I'm thinking MGM.
                              Noisy person

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