New Seaking ESC from HobbyWing

[SD Eracer]

Yup, hard to argue with 90mph (depending on props) top speed and barely above ambient motor and ESC temps. Quite happy with those results.

[dmitry100]

I don't mean high end stuff, I meant like going with TP motors instead of SSS... I'm sure efficiency would be better too, etc.

[kfxguy]

I don't mean high end stuff, I meant like going with TP motors instead of SSS... I'm sure efficiency would be better too, etc.

Well I agree there only because I feel that sss are cheapest of the cheap and tp is still affordable but higher quality.
But as long as it doing what he wants...who cares lol

[SD Eracer]

Actually my choice of SSS motor had nothing to do with the price. At least not based on the motors. They are the same price as similar sized Leopards, and about $20 cheaper than a comparable TP.

What we discovered with the SSS motors, specifically the 4074 2200kv and 4082 2000kv, is that they have allowed us to run them on 6S while using 180a ESCs. You can't do that with Leopard or TP motors of similar size and kv without smoking the ESC or getting high temps.

That's where the savings comes in, because I can get a 180a ESC for $85, while the Swordfish 240 is $250. That's a big difference in price. If I could run a similar price Leopard or $20 more expensive TP I would have. But these SSS motors have been outstanding for our applications.

Like I said, I have an HPR that runs twin 2200kv motors, will do 90 mph, and come back in with motor temps just above ambient temp. You won't find a Leopard or TP motor in a 40mm can at 2200kv that will do that with a 180a ESC on 6S.

[dmitry100]

Hmm ok but isn't that because they're probably not as powerful as TP's version of the motors? Therefore not as much of amp hogs... I don't imagine it's because they're more efficient in any way... cheaper materials and all I'm sure.

You can quite easily achieve similar speed results with a TP 4050, 4060 (at lower rpm?), or even LMT 1950 -- I've seen it done before. They'll hold up better to that higher rpm as well. Not so much with those longer cans.

[SD Eracer]

Hmm ok but isn't that because they're probably not as powerful as TP's version of the motors? Therefore not as much of amp hogs... I don't imagine it's because they're more efficient in any way... cheaper materials and all I'm sure.

You can quite easily achieve similar speed results with a TP 4050 or even a 4060... (It's been done before).

I had a TP 4050 at 2050kv in my Genesis. It blew up my 180a ESC on 6S after about the 3rd run. It's still a 4083mm can, and pulled way too many amps for that application. I can run a SSS 4082 2000kv without breaking a sweat, and still get 73 mph out of it, which is similar to what the TP would do.

It definitely has something to do with not being amp hogs. They are less powerful motors I have no doubt, since their amp ratings are lower than comparable sized motors. They are also noted as 6 rotor, but not 6 pole. Though that has been called into question as well.

Either way, my fastest boats now run these motors, and they run cooler than anything I ever had. Its amazing to pull your boat out of the pond after a long fast SAW run, take off the hatch and find the motors at 95F, the ESCs and lipos barely above 110F. Honestly, my stock 4S Aquacraft boats run hotter temps than my HPR does.

If you ever have the chance, try out one of their motors. In the past I would never have considered them until members of my RC group were getting these great results. Now I'm a true believer now.

[dmitry100]

Hmm. I see some german SAW guys running SSS motors... but their more beefier ones though.

I looked up the specs for the 4074 SSS and it says they're 6 pole... is that true?

What kind of props were you running with your 2200kv's on the hpr ?

[SD Eracer]

Hmm. I see some german SAW guys running SSS motors... but their more beefier ones though.

I looked up the specs for the 4074 SSS and it says they're 6 pole... is that true?

What kind of props were you running with your 2200kv's on the hpr ?

I don't think they are 6-pole, but maybe 6 rotor on the stator? My box says "6 rotor". Not sure what that means to be honest.

I know that Keith Bradley sold them on his website as their "Black Motor". But after he called his supplier, he could not confirm what timing they should be running and he stopped selling them.

For the HPR, I am running Octura X447 L&R rotations.

My Genesis is running the 4082 2000kv with M445 (73 mph), and my Pursuit also running the 2000kv with a Octura X642, doing about 65 mph. Both boats I can prop them up even more, though I am fine with the balance they have now.

[Mxkid261]

So there is still no one that has ran this 160 pro?

[SD Eracer]

Yea, we got a bit off topic there.

I assume that ESC would be good for someone in a specific type of racing class where weight was a factor. We really don't do a lot of racing in SoCal do to the lack of lakes around here. Just mostly SAW runners in ocean water.

[T.S.Davis]

I have two of them. Haven't messed with them yet.

[Mxkid261]

I have two of them. Haven't messed with them yet.

Cool let us know how you like them. What do you plan on running them in just out of curiosity?

[Brushless55]

Actually my choice of SSS motor had nothing to do with the price. At least not based on the motors. They are the same price as similar sized Leopards, and about $20 cheaper than a comparable TP.

What we discovered with the SSS motors, specifically the 4074 2200kv and 4082 2000kv, is that they have allowed us to run them on 6S while using 180a ESCs. You can't do that with Leopard or TP motors of similar size and kv without smoking the ESC or getting high temps.

That's where the savings comes in, because I can get a 180a ESC for $85, while the Swordfish 240 is $250. That's a big difference in price. If I could run a similar price Leopard or $20 more expensive TP I would have. But these SSS motors have been outstanding for our applications.

Like I said, I have an HPR that runs twin 2200kv motors, will do 90 mph, and come back in with motor temps just above ambient temp. You won't find a Leopard or TP motor in a 40mm can at 2200kv that will do that with a 180a ESC on 6S.

Kind of curious about the SSS motors
do you have a running video of this boat?
I would love to see some passes

[SD Eracer]

Kind of curious about the SSS motors
do you have a running video of this boat?
I would love to see some passes

Sure, I'll see what I can do about some vids.

In my group, we have two HPRs that are running these motors, along with a Ariane II, a 41" Shocker Cat, C1 Flowmaster, Genesis and Pursuit.

What's more impressive than the speeds are the low temps on the motors, ESCs, and lipos. My buddy who has a heavily modified C1 Flowmaster is going about 90 mph with these motors, and when it comes back in after a long run, his temps are usually below 100F!!! It really defies logic and what past experience has taught us.

[Brushless55]

Sure, I'll see what I can do about some vids.

In my group, we have two HPRs that are running these motors, along with a Ariane II, a 41" Shocker Cat, C1 Flowmaster, Genesis and Pursuit.

What's more impressive than the speeds are the low temps on the motors, ESCs, and lipos. My buddy who has a heavily modified C1 Flowmaster is going about 90 mph with these motors, and when it comes back in after a long run, his temps are usually below 100F!!! It really defies logic and what past experience has taught us.

Looking forward to it !