Using a Castle ICE Aircraft Controller in FE boats

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  • Fluid
    Fast and Furious
    • Apr 2007
    • 8012

    #1

    Using a Castle ICE Aircraft Controller in FE boats

    I have used Castle controllers for many years with very good success. With one exception all the ones I had trouble with experienced owner error - got soaked, over-amped in SAW racing, etc. Now that Castle has finally abandoned the marine market we can't buy one ready-made for boats. There are two options.

    First, use the ICE200 or EDGE200 aircraft controllers as is and add a small 40mm fan. I have been doing this with one ICE200 for over four years of racing and the unit is still running fine. A fellow club member has done the same with similar performance. I wired the fan leads directly to the power wires at the board....just tack solder them on, don't melt the entire solder joint. Whenever the ESC is powered up, the fan is on. This works in larger hulls with plenty of air volume like monos and larger sport hydros. I would not use it in a rigger. Here is a photo.



    Next you can add cooling plates to an ICE200 or EDGE200 Lite. This lacks the big green heatsinks and is MUCH smaller. I use aluminum extrusions with an 1/8" groove to slide over the board in contact with the FETS. I use thermally conductive grease to get a better contact with the extrusions, then "tack weld" the extrusions on with tiny drops of JB Weld. The aluminum cooling tubes are glued to the extrusions with Arctic Silver thermally conductive epoxy. This stuff isn't cheap but one set of tubes will do at least three controllers. It works best if there is a groove machined into the extrusion to give more contact area. I got my extrusions from a friend, but a club member bought similar extrusions from Home Depot. Lastly spray liberally with CorrosionX, let dry, and shrink wrap the whole thing. Here are photos of the extrusions and an assembled controller.







    This isn't for everyone, and I have heard of a couple folks who will do the conversion for you (not me!). Remember that you will lose your warranty with the water cooled version. Let me know if you have questions.


    BTW, the final photo shows the folly of following the "expert advice" that all ESC power wires have to be exactly the same length. Castle didn't think so and those who just cut the wires to be the same length outside the ESC are in for a surprise. This is not problem, as many of us have been running these controllers in SAW applications at over 40,000 rpm and there is no commutation problem. Another Internet myth shot down.


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  • Mike Caruso
    Senior Member
    • May 2012
    • 940

    #2
    Thank you for your time to help all fellow boaters. Castle is a quality product I was just looking today at lite 130 small and can add the cooling thanks to you!
    Mike
    Do It Like You Mean It .....or Don't Bother

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    • longballlumber
      Fast Electric Addict!
      • Apr 2007
      • 3132

      #3
      Thanks for posting. would you mind posting a link or brand of the thermal grease your using?

      Thanks
      Mike

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      • ray schrauwen
        Fast Electric Addict!
        • Apr 2007
        • 9471

        #4
        THank you. I'll look for the extrusion today but, I have other cooling plates around to modify. I could just use arctic silver epoxy on everything since warranty is void anyway.

        The Fets don't seem the same height as the grey metal bits that were originally in contact with the case. I also found the case (on the XL-2) did not fully contact all the thermal paste put down onto the pcb at the contact points on the PCB.

        The case actually contacts the grey metal parts and not the FETs.
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        • ray schrauwen
          Fast Electric Addict!
          • Apr 2007
          • 9471

          #5
          The XL-2 comes with the caps over the PCB coated in liquid rubber. The top case touches the FETs while the bottom case only touches the grey metal on the outer edge.
          Nortavlag Bulc

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          • montymike
            Senior Member
            • Jul 2012
            • 774

            #6
            Would a combo of a cooling plate on the bottom and a cooling fan on the top
            be enough to cool this ESC and not void the warranty.

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            • Steven Vaccaro
              Administrator
              • Apr 2007
              • 8720

              #7
              Great info Jay. I've done the similar. And still have a few Castle air esc's in boats.
              Steven Vaccaro

              Where Racing on a Budget is a Reality!

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              • raptor347
                Fast Electric Addict!
                • Jul 2007
                • 1089

                #8
                Here's the link to extrusions:
                Ice/edge Lite 200

                Ice/edge Lite 100


                The extrusions need a little modifying to work, but I've been using them on my esc's for years now.


                I use Loctite 384 high output thermal adhesive to put it all together.
                Brian "Snowman" Buaas
                Team Castle Creations
                NAMBA FE Chairman

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                • Fluid
                  Fast and Furious
                  • Apr 2007
                  • 8012

                  #9
                  Thanks for posting the links Brian!

                  I think about any mod to the controller risks voiding the warranty.

                  I prefer the grease for conductance, for one reason. If the ESC does fail, it is far easier to remove and re-use the cooling plates if they are not epoxied to the FETs. The grease I use has slightly better thermal conductance than the epoxy but probably not enough to matter. I'll post a link when I get home.




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                  • longballlumber
                    Fast Electric Addict!
                    • Apr 2007
                    • 3132

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Fluid
                    I prefer the grease for conductance, for one reason. If the ESC does fail, it is far easier to remove and re-use the cooling plates if they are not epoxied to the FETs. The grease I use has slightly better thermal conductance than the epoxy but probably not enough to matter. I'll post a link when I get home.
                    That's a good idea to reuse the bars/plates. I would assume the grease that your using isn't electrically conductive? I would also venture to say that "wicking" the heat away is only as good as the functional surface area you get between the fets, buss board, and the inserted aluminum.

                    Like a few of you, I have converted a few different Castle Controllers also. I will post some pictures of mine over the weekend. That being said, I haven't used the grease only the Arctic Silver epoxy product. What worries me most is using the version that actually contains silver particles due to it's electrical conductive properties.

                    Later,
                    Ball

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                    • ray schrauwen
                      Fast Electric Addict!
                      • Apr 2007
                      • 9471

                      #11
                      I've got enough cooling plate material for a lot of esc's I'll never own so, I'll use the Arctic Silver Epoxy Thermal paste I have. It worked well on a SF200 -8S esc. I got a long piece from Doby that Monica shipped to him. It looked as if it was for battery coolers
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                      • Doby
                        KANADA RULES!
                        • Apr 2007
                        • 7280

                        #12
                        I knew you would find a use for that Ray!
                        Grand River Marine Modellers
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                        • ray schrauwen
                          Fast Electric Addict!
                          • Apr 2007
                          • 9471

                          #13
                          Thanks John

                          What is the difference between these two??

                          Corrosion X : http://www.corrosionxproducts.com/

                          And what I have, the original from 10 years ago Corrosion Block: http://www.blockcorrosion.com/aboutus.sc
                          Nortavlag Bulc

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                          • Fluid
                            Fast and Furious
                            • Apr 2007
                            • 8012

                            #14
                            ...I haven't used the grease only the Arctic Silver epoxy product. What worries me most is using the version that actually contains silver particles due to it's electrical conductive properties....
                            That is why I don't use it on the boards. The grease has low to no electrical conductance so no problem there. The epoxy Brian uses works too, just not quite as high of a thermal conductivity number as the grease has.


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                            • racerr73
                              Senior Member
                              • Oct 2007
                              • 133

                              #15
                              Jay,

                              Is there a way to waterproof the ICE 200 green heat sink version ESC as in the first pic of this thread with the fan attached.

                              P.S. Where do you buy the motor mounts for the longer neu motors as seen in the first pic.

                              Thanks
                              Trev

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