Castle Hydra HV (not ICE hydra) Controllers beware

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  • cybercrxt
    Fast Electric Addict!
    • Mar 2009
    • 2909

    #1

    Castle Hydra HV (not ICE hydra) Controllers beware

    I will be contacting Castle to when I have time to let them know its time for the Hydra HV series to be discontinued. While attempting to make the final connection with a one day old Hydra 180HV on 10s, the terminals arc welded in my hands, burning the skin and finger nails on my finger and thumb of my left hand, leaving them in a black carbon dust. Most everyone at the SAW event heard the bang it made, and came over. I thought I was done for at first. Checked myself over, and immediately checked to see what had happened. Postive wire to positive, negative to negative, jumper between the two packs to make a series setup, all the connector was gone into fire and dust. Quickly pulled the packs out for fear of meltdown. Doug Smock and Chris Harris come running over, we start looking over things. No popped caps-check, No reverse polarity-check, batterys voltage all checks out correct, and then Doug checked the setup using another technique on 2s to see if the controller was the issue. Sure enough, the 2s pack and controller made another welding scene on a smaller scale and in a more contolled way. We pulled the controller, and there it was, a hot spot on the control board. We confirmed this was a controller issue that created a dead loop inside itself.

    I am very lucky, and honestly, Castle should feel lucky too that nothing worse happened. I hate to say it, but the HV hydra line as a joke, it has been, and apparently always will be. They have replaced it with the HV Ice series, so its time for these death traps to go. I am very disappointed and quite honestly contemplated walking away from FE yesterday because of this. After regaining my thoughts, talking to people like Doug Smock, we just decided we need to be safer. Fire retardant gloves and eye protection will need to be the norm from now one.

    If this was a one time indecent, I would not point fingers, but I think Castle knows these are not good designs, and until yesterday I figured hey, if you get a bad one, they just go bad upon plug in, never in a million years would I guess a controller could dead short creating a very dangerous condition for the user.

    Guys be careful out there, no matter what the brand. Never did I think a controller even had the ability to create a dead loop. Well, they do, so please take caution.

    Mike
    Laser cut, birch plywood rc race boat kits- WWW.MLBOATWORKSRC.COM WWW.DINOGYLIPOS.COM
  • Diegoboy
    Administrator
    • Mar 2007
    • 7244

    #2
    I'm glad you're okay Mike. I'm also glad I never got into the hydra series too. I loved the CC Barracuda's and also the turnigys!
    "A quick temper will make a fool of you soon enough."
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    • Chilli
      Fast Electric Addict!
      • Jan 2008
      • 3070

      #3
      I had one of my son's hard pack lipos internally short out in my hand two months ago. It took about a second before it was so hot I couldnt hold it to get it out of the house. The thought also passed my mind that I should start playing with something safer. Like highly flamible liquids.

      I think I'm going to get a pair of welding gloves to keep in the tool box.

      Glad you didnt get hurt Mikey!!!
      Mike Chirillo
      www.capitolrcmodelboats.com

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      • LarrysDrifter
        Big Booty Daddy
        • May 2010
        • 3278

        #4
        Im sorry to hear about your unfortunate experience. My eyes have been opened again to the safety factor with FE. Maybe I wont buy that Hydra 120 Ive been thinking about. Thank you,and Im glad youre okay.

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        • m4a1usr
          Fast Electric Addict
          • Nov 2009
          • 2038

          #5
          Hey Mike, thanks for the heads up. Ironically I was thinking about pulling the trigger on one of these sometime soon. They see to be popping up regularly used and for not a bad price. After hearing your terror story I'm going to rethink my logic. Glad to hear you are not hurt badly. I bet your adrenalin was running rampant for a few minutes!

          John
          Change is the one Constant

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          • bigwaveohs
            Senior Member
            • May 2009
            • 535

            #6
            Yikes!
            That can't be good for the LiPos either!
            I let the dogs out...

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            • cybercrxt
              Fast Electric Addict!
              • Mar 2009
              • 2909

              #7
              It was pretty scary. The lipos suffered a lot of splatter damage on the shrink wrap, but nothing deeper. Never again will I trust anything FE related. Took that to much for granted I guess! Mike
              Laser cut, birch plywood rc race boat kits- WWW.MLBOATWORKSRC.COM WWW.DINOGYLIPOS.COM

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              • line6
                Senior Member
                • Aug 2008
                • 478

                #8
                Mike, Chris told me about this yesterday im just glad to here you walked away very scary stuff.

                Jason Sims

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                • jingalls007
                  Fast Electric Addict!
                  • Mar 2009
                  • 1015

                  #9
                  wow, that really sucks, thank goodness you're ok. I've ran all castle controller's (LV) and never had an incident. I haven't heard good things about the HV line of Hydra's but still I think the LV series are great controllers. Glad to hear you're alright.

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                  • Doug Smock
                    Moderator
                    • Apr 2007
                    • 5272

                    #10
                    We need to give this some serious thought every time we make that final connection fellas.
                    This could have been life altering.
                    I will at the very least be wearing safty glasses from now on when I make the battery connection regardless of the control. Never forget how dangerous these toys are.

                    Mike have you contacted tech support?
                    Doug
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                    • Jeepers
                      Fast Electric Addict!
                      • May 2007
                      • 1973

                      #11
                      Glad your ok Mike.

                      I have been rethinking Castle Hydra's myself, at the Winter Warmups I plugged in a brand new Hydra 120, in my spec hydro and it went up in flames with my hands right next to it.

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                      • Doby
                        KANADA RULES!
                        • Apr 2007
                        • 7280

                        #12
                        Glad you're OK...Castles controllers have a mixed history with a lot of people on here....

                        For the price, I would expect a lot more consistency in their reliability....afterall, they are not from Hobby King.
                        Grand River Marine Modellers
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                        • jingalls007
                          Fast Electric Addict!
                          • Mar 2009
                          • 1015

                          #13
                          The more I think about this the more I feel how truly lucky you are not to have lost an eye, a finger, a hand, burns etc. You hate to hear about a "popped" controller in someone's model, it happens on occasion as we all know, but I've yet to read about the "popped" controller in the hands of the modeler him/herself. Very happy to know you weren't severely injured, race on brother!!

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                          • MarkF
                            dinogylipos.com
                            • Mar 2008
                            • 979

                            #14
                            I have been using Castle controllers for over 15 years now. I have burnt my share up and have even plugged the batteries together on 10 and 12s packs and experianced all the fireworks and a few burn marks. But I have never heard of a controller shorting out on plug in. I'm sure its happened before and not with just Castle controllers but to say they need to be discountinued I think is a little harsh to say the least. What you experienced was no different than accidentally plugging in 2 packs together and getting the crap scared out of you, which I'm sure most people on this board have done at least once if not more. Should we bad mouth all bullet plugs and lipos while were at it too and have them banned. How about propellers? Maybe we should have them discontinued because we all know how dangerous they can be. Im sorry you got hurt Mike but your rant I think was a little over the top.

                            Mark
                            Last edited by MarkF; 04-14-2011, 10:05 PM.

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                            • Doug Smock
                              Moderator
                              • Apr 2007
                              • 5272

                              #15
                              There ya have it Mike.
                              Just practice shorting out your batteries and reversing the polarity on your ESCs and you'll get used to it. LOL

                              Mark, just like you the man is intitled to his opinion.
                              His is a word of caution...........................
                              I run Castle LV controls in all of my boats except SAWs and Limited and they have been good controls. The Baracuda controls were famous for smoking on plug in until the firmware change. The HV controls have a sorted history , this is NOT new news.
                              Would your opinion be the same if he had lost an eye or two?? THIS WAS BAD NEWS!!
                              Doug

                              Be careful fellas!!
                              MODEL BOAT RACER
                              IMPBA President
                              District 13 Director 2011- present
                              IMPBA National Records Director 2009-2019
                              IMPBA 19887L CD
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