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  • Chrisk7
    Member
    • Dec 2015
    • 38

    #1

    AC R 42 Cat build

    Hey all, thought I'd share a project I'm working on.
    I commissioned Wayne Farrow to lay up an R 42 hull for me with both the full and half hatches so I could set it up for both gas or electric.

    I plan on running a Gizmo 30+ modified and I also have an SSS 56123 500kv motor and a ZTW Seal 300A Esc.

    I ran this electric set up in my 48" mono that previously had a 30 modified engine in it and it ran as fast or maybe a little faster on the 12s set up.

    I ran just two 5000 mAh 6s batteries in series before on the mono and it did pretty good running the same props that I ran using the 30cc gas engine.

    The run time wasn't too good though and the batteries were pretty old and getting puffed from years of use.

    This time I'm going with four batteries. I have a new set of 7200 6s batteries that I plan on running in parallel with the others for a total of 12200 mAh on 12s.

    I can switch out the electric motor and install the gas engine in about 20 minutes. I just made a different model memory in the Futaba controller to handle the different throttle settings.

    When running this in the mono hull before the motor and esc were barely warm so I think it is a fairly conservative set up. I just need to pick up some more 7200 mAh batteries.

    Wayne told me to go with the strut through the bottom of the hull on this boat so I did. It will be the first time I've done it that way. All my other boats over the years have been done in the more traditional way off the rear outside.
    Looking forward to playing around with this one.

    Has anyone else run the SSS 56123 500kv or something close on 12s. What props did you run? I have a bunch of props from 65mm to 80mm all different pitches and 2,3, and 4 blades to try out.

    Oddly enough, on the mono changing props really didn't seem make a whole lot of difference, at least it didn't seem to make as much of a difference as it does on the gas engine or my smaller fast electrics.

    Any thoughts or tips appreciated. 20240530_162228.jpg20240530_162050.jpg
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  • Chrisk7
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    • Dec 2015
    • 38

    #2
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    • Chrisk7
      Member
      • Dec 2015
      • 38

      #3
      30cc engine in my R41 Stryker cat for ref.

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      • Chrisk7
        Member
        • Dec 2015
        • 38

        #4
        Of course once everything is set up and working I'll give it some color.

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        • koen
          Senior Member
          • Mar 2020
          • 358

          #5
          i ran a SSS56114 700kv on 12s with a ZTW 300 v1 in a Aeromarine conquest ,i had the best results with Prather 270 and 75mph

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          • Chrisk7
            Member
            • Dec 2015
            • 38

            #6
            Wow that is pretty good. I wonder if I should have gone with the 700 kv over the 500. I guess I could bump it up to 14s and see what happens.

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            • koen
              Senior Member
              • Mar 2020
              • 358

              #7
              if you use that 56123 on 12s and find the perfect prop for your setup it will also go fast ,that motor has power beyond belief but use very good batteries (SMC CNHL in europe SLS)then you get the speed you looking for

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              • Fluid
                Fast and Furious
                • Apr 2007
                • 8012

                #8
                My R42 was set up on 10S and a 750 Kv Neu 2215/2Y running 25,000 rpm on the water. I raced it for several years, sometimes against gas cats and I was on the podium several times in races with over 20 other cats. The R42 is not going to be as fast as a Conquest etc. it's a rough water boat better suited for heat racing in traffic and waves. I loved mine.

                I'm not sure what the OP means by running the strut "the traditional way", cats can't run the strut off the transom like monos can. Nothing wrong with running 14S, but the weight will impact the way the cat runs. Mine was a light weight build weighing 17 lbs ready to race, not a lot more than a gas version. 14S would put the weight well over 20 lbs.


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                • Chrisk7
                  Member
                  • Dec 2015
                  • 38

                  #9
                  Well I ran it for a total of about 12 seconds today before the stub shaft/flex cable weld broke and lost the stub shaft and prop. Never even came close to full throttle.
                  I've been having a run of bad luck with these cable assemblies from Gizmo, Zipp kits, and this one was from OSE. I've had them break on several different boats with different set ups so I know it isn't one particular boat.

                  Today I machined a steel sleeve and used Loctite R 638 retaining compound to glue it together with. If this doesn't work I think I'm going to go with the MHZ style system of running a thicker stub shaft that the flex cable slips into and gets glued in with retaining compound.
                  I also made a prop saver to hopefully keep it from falling out if the shaft breaks again.

                  Don't know whats going on with these flex cable assemblies from the above mentioned vendors but in the last year they don't seem to be as strong as they were in years past.

                  Seems like there is another European company out there that has a really good shaft system too but I can't seem to find it now.

                  Any ideas?

                  With all four batteries in this hull shes a porker, lol. I didn't weigh it yet but if I think of it tomorrow I will.

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                  • koen
                    Senior Member
                    • Mar 2020
                    • 358

                    #10
                    if you store the prop shaft after drying in oil it will last much longer

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                    • Fluid
                      Fast and Furious
                      • Apr 2007
                      • 8012

                      #11
                      if you store the prop shaft after drying in oil it will last much longer
                      The cable was brand new apparently so storage wasn't the cause. By far the best cable assemblies were made by Ed Hughey, sadly no longer available. I knew Ed very well, and he once threatened to tell me his secret to making them so strong - but then he'd have had to kill me.


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                      • Chrisk7
                        Member
                        • Dec 2015
                        • 38

                        #12
                        I made up some cables myself and used silver solder on a couple and brazed the others. So far they're holding up fine. I drilled out the shaft about 3/8" and cut the same amount of the outer windings off the flex cable before brazing or soldering them up. The inner windings slip into the center of the shaft for a little extra strength and filler.20240625_111947.jpg

                        I also added a little color to the hull.
                        I used Createx Auto airborne paints and an automotive 2K clear coat.20240625_112012.jpg20240625_112042.jpg20240625_112055.jpg20240625_112115.jpg

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                        • BUMBLESPECIMOODA
                          Senior Member
                          • Feb 2023
                          • 218

                          #13
                          Looks very nice.

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