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  • CraigP
    Fast Electric Addict!
    • May 2017
    • 1464

    #31
    MOTORS

    I have the motors ready to go in the boat. On the first Vortex, I noticed an extremely loud whine coming from the boat at full throttle. I figured it was drive line related, with the usual suspects, bad shaft alignment, bad grease, stuffing tube kinked when bending in the radius, bad or loose motor/shaft coupler. None of these were a problem... I even sanded down my flex shaft thinking the wind on it was rubbing on the stuffing tube, no go. I actually went too far on that, and had to replace it!

    What I found made sense once I found it, isn’t that always the case. The Vortex is a great hull, so much room to put parts just where you need them. But it IS a hollow shell, with not one cross frame in it. As such, it can resonate like the body on an acoustic guitar. I noticed on fine examination that the epoxy glueing the stuffing tube to the hull had little tiny stress fractures in it. I’ve seen this type of structural failure before. I’ve done quite a few FEM analysis on failed structures, usually motor related. Resonance vibration can be a real show stopper. So I glued an aluminum plate in the bottom of the boat using slow curing marine epoxy. The plate acts as a dampener to the resonance buildup. Worked like a charm, no more noise! So I decided to forgo that trip down the rabbit hole and incorporate a motor mounting plate into the dual design. This plate eventually gets glued in, so all angles have to be double and triple checked.

    I fabricated the motor mount rails, attached the the motor plate with 3, #2 flathead screws per rail. I used 2mm socket head screws to mount the rails the the motor mounts I bought on OSE. It’s a very solid affair. Those are 5mm to 0.150” OSE couplers with thrust bearings on each motor. I got my X442 matched prop pairs from Chris (dasboata) and they look great! I’ve been keeping a tally sheet on the gram weight of the components going into the build. I’m actually on track for about 10lbs, very happy with that! Still waiting for ESC’s to arrive... It’s getting pretty close!
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    • flattrack
      Member
      • Jun 2017
      • 30

      #32
      Hey Craig, why do you want more AoA on starboard side? Seems like the increased lift would be counterproductive when racing an oval course turning always to starboard.

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      • CraigP
        Fast Electric Addict!
        • May 2017
        • 1464

        #33
        The turn fin has a tendency to tact down the right sponson hard, so having less angle on the outside forces the sponsons to share the load better. All hydros scrub speed when turning. Many concentrate on going screaming fast on the straight, but race water can force you to back off and not use it. I like to gain speed by cornering faster, so I set up for that more than straight line speed.

        I had a real knowledable fellow also explain that hydro turning shares similarities to alpine skiing, namely Giant Slalom. High speed turns are accomplished by tracking hard on the downhill ski, while letting the uphill ski just ride by applying all the pressure on the downhill ski. The sponsons are similar, the boat will track and turn better if you can plant the outside sponson, which equates to the downhill ski. Interesting parallel... And even with a very low CG, there is also some roll steer. The lower AoA on the left side fights the boat’s tendancy to roll or climb right.

        Many don’t agree with this, but I don’t mind! That’s my thinking, take it for what it’s worth. Thanks for checking out the build!
        Last edited by CraigP; 03-21-2018, 10:54 PM. Reason: Typo...

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        • Fluid
          Fast and Furious
          • Apr 2007
          • 8012

          #34
          I thought the starboard side had a higher aoa.




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          • CraigP
            Fast Electric Addict!
            • May 2017
            • 1464

            #35
            Oops, typo! You gotta type fast, or the freaking site times out on you! I fixed that on edit, thanks Jay...

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            • Beaux
              Senior Member
              • Dec 2015
              • 550

              #36
              Looking good. I've got mine just about together and finished painting.

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              • CraigP
                Fast Electric Addict!
                • May 2017
                • 1464

                #37
                Painting.... The thing I like the least.. I wish I had a good compressor and air gun, but I have to struggle with cans... To heavy flow, orange peel, runs and flat not taking the paint. I’m going to run mine without paint at first, then maybe I’ll get fired up to get through that! I do want to paint this dual hydro the paint scheme of the ‘85 Executone, it was my brother’s first ride... The first Vortex is done up like his GP-55 boat, it’s my avatar...

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                • Beaux
                  Senior Member
                  • Dec 2015
                  • 550

                  #38
                  I've had good luck with O'rielly's Dupli- Color it's lacquer , There is a clear coat also. It works really well.

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                  • Beaux
                    Senior Member
                    • Dec 2015
                    • 550

                    #39
                    I built a turbin cowl, and tail feathers for mine. It looks pretty cool. I'll run a build thread in a couple of days.

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                    • CraigP
                      Fast Electric Addict!
                      • May 2017
                      • 1464

                      #40
                      Originally posted by Beaux
                      I've had good luck with O'rielly's Dupli- Color it's lacquer , There is a clear coat also. It works really well.
                      Is that in spray cans?

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                      • CraigP
                        Fast Electric Addict!
                        • May 2017
                        • 1464

                        #41
                        MOTOR/ESC PLATE

                        I built this integrated plate that also strengthens the bottom and eliminates resonant vibrations from the drive line. There is a single in/dual out Opto Board in between the the ESC’s. That eliminates ground loops and keeps the noise out of the control section of the ESC’s. The motor wires were shortened coming from the two T-120 ESC’s. This is ready to be epoxied into the boat...
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                        • CraigP
                          Fast Electric Addict!
                          • May 2017
                          • 1464

                          #42
                          RIDE PADS

                          I got the main runners of the ride pads done. I epoxied underneath and used brass, #2 Phillips flathead screws to hold the aluminum while setting up. I like the finished look! I still have to put the aluminum front shingles on...
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                          • Brushless55
                            Creator
                            • Oct 2008
                            • 9488

                            #43
                            Originally posted by CraigP
                            MOTOR/ESC PLATE

                            I built this integrated plate that also strengthens the bottom and eliminates resonant vibrations from the drive line. There is a single in/dual out Opto Board in between the the ESC’s. That eliminates ground loops and keeps the noise out of the control section of the ESC’s. The motor wires were shortened coming from the two T-120 ESC’s. This is ready to be epoxied into the boat...
                            looks good man!
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                            • Beaux
                              Senior Member
                              • Dec 2015
                              • 550

                              #44
                              Yes it is spray cans. Also on this Vortex I'm building I used acrylic urethane it is automotive base coat clear coat, detonator yellow the same color as my dodge challenger from O'rielly's. The spray can is very forgiving, and it covers really well.

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                              • Beaux
                                Senior Member
                                • Dec 2015
                                • 550

                                #45
                                Should I do my ride pads like yours is the stock ride pad not enough?

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