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  • 785boats
    Wet Track Racing
    • Nov 2008
    • 3169

    #16
    I've nearly clicked the BUY button a few times on one of these Tony.
    You may have just tipped me over the edge.
    Well done.
    See the danger. THEN DO IT ANYWAY!!!
    http://forums.offshoreelectrics.com/...hp?albumid=319
    http://forums.offshoreelectrics.com/...hp?albumid=320

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    • Fluid
      Fast and Furious
      • Apr 2007
      • 8012

      #17
      Before you buy you may want to see how it runs. They look good but they do pack some air with those full length air traps. We have one V34 in our club running a similar/same motor which needs a full width front canard to stay on the water at over 55 mph. Now that could just be a poor setup, and I know that Tony can certainly build and set up a great boat. I'm anxious to see how it runs for him.



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      • properchopper
        • Apr 2007
        • 6968

        #18
        Originally posted by Mxkid261
        Looks awesome I like the aluminum tubing for the cooling lines. I just finished a vortex 24 and its easily my favorite boat I've ever driven
        To give credit where credit is due, I first saw the hard lines on the KBB forum. I like how they keep the "spaghetti look" to a minimum. Actually I've seen stainless ones bent at angles to tighten up the water path. A little too tricky for me 'tho.

        Another application :

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        Last edited by properchopper; 04-20-2016, 01:54 PM.
        2008 NAMBA P-Mono & P-Offshore Nat'l 2-Lap Record Holder; '15 P-Cat, P-Ltd Cat 2-Lap
        2009/2010 NAMBA P-Sport Hydro Nat'l 2-Lap Record Holder, '13 SCSTA P-Ltd Cat High Points
        '11 NAMBA [P-Ltd] : Mono, Offshore, OPC, Sport Hydro; '06 LSO, '12,'13,'14 P Ltd Cat /Mono

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        • properchopper
          • Apr 2007
          • 6968

          #19
          Originally posted by 785boats
          I've nearly clicked the BUY button a few times on one of these Tony.
          You may have just tipped me over the edge.
          Well done.
          Thanks! I think that these 34" hulls will be handy for P-Sport (for the most part currently 30" PT's, Whips, & FE's) in choppy conditions
          2008 NAMBA P-Mono & P-Offshore Nat'l 2-Lap Record Holder; '15 P-Cat, P-Ltd Cat 2-Lap
          2009/2010 NAMBA P-Sport Hydro Nat'l 2-Lap Record Holder, '13 SCSTA P-Ltd Cat High Points
          '11 NAMBA [P-Ltd] : Mono, Offshore, OPC, Sport Hydro; '06 LSO, '12,'13,'14 P Ltd Cat /Mono

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          • properchopper
            • Apr 2007
            • 6968

            #20
            Originally posted by Fluid
            Before you buy you may want to see how it runs. They look good but they do pack some air with those full length air traps. We have one V34 in our club running a similar/same motor which needs a full width front canard to stay on the water at over 55 mph. Now that could just be a poor setup, and I know that Tony can certainly build and set up a great boat. I'm anxious to see how it runs for him.



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            Jay, The whole time I've been looking at this hull sitting on the shelf the most frequent words that came to mind were :

            Boeing 747, Huge Armpits, Air Traps ??, Takeoff Roll With this XXL powerplant maybe the weight will keep it down.

            If this works out during testing (and considering that we DON'T run P-Sport in D19,) this could be just the ticket for Texas Monsoon conditions
            Last edited by properchopper; 04-20-2016, 02:21 PM.
            2008 NAMBA P-Mono & P-Offshore Nat'l 2-Lap Record Holder; '15 P-Cat, P-Ltd Cat 2-Lap
            2009/2010 NAMBA P-Sport Hydro Nat'l 2-Lap Record Holder, '13 SCSTA P-Ltd Cat High Points
            '11 NAMBA [P-Ltd] : Mono, Offshore, OPC, Sport Hydro; '06 LSO, '12,'13,'14 P Ltd Cat /Mono

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            • Tamelesstgr
              Fast Electric Addict!
              • Jun 2014
              • 1516

              #21
              Originally posted by properchopper
              Tight water line distribution

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              Tony, I absolutely love your attention to detail in the layout. Love the hard plumbing lines and the wire keepers inside the wooden rail. Ken
              NEVER SATISFIED RACING
              Fine Design 32 V-Hull 4082+6s

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              • properchopper
                • Apr 2007
                • 6968

                #22
                Originally posted by Tamelesstgr
                Tony, I absolutely love your attention to detail in the layout. Love the hard plumbing lines and the wire keepers inside the wooden rail. Ken
                Thanks Ken. Took lots of hours to make it look easy.
                2008 NAMBA P-Mono & P-Offshore Nat'l 2-Lap Record Holder; '15 P-Cat, P-Ltd Cat 2-Lap
                2009/2010 NAMBA P-Sport Hydro Nat'l 2-Lap Record Holder, '13 SCSTA P-Ltd Cat High Points
                '11 NAMBA [P-Ltd] : Mono, Offshore, OPC, Sport Hydro; '06 LSO, '12,'13,'14 P Ltd Cat /Mono

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                • 785boats
                  Wet Track Racing
                  • Nov 2008
                  • 3169

                  #23
                  Originally posted by Fluid
                  Before you buy you may want to see how it runs. They look good but they do pack some air with those full length air traps. We have one V34 in our club running a similar/same motor which needs a full width front canard to stay on the water at over 55 mph. Now that could just be a poor setup, and I know that Tony can certainly build and set up a great boat. I'm anxious to see how it runs for him.



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                  I can certainly vouch for the air packing effects of full length air traps.
                  I built a 1/10 scale (36") Miss Renault hull to run in our EA (4s) Sports Hydro class. It is a very wide hull with full length air traps. It lifted off very easily.
                  When I repainted it as the Miss Penrite, I cut some relief vents in the front part of the traps. Made a big difference.

                  Tony.
                  Most of our racing is in windy & rough conditions too, & the bigger hull does certainly help. Most of the boats are 30" & 33" Whips, ML GP335, 34" Aussie Hydros, Stealth Sport 20, a few Popeye hulls, & a few others I can't remember. The Miss Penrite does very well against them in choppy conditions.

                  Here's a couple of pics of the vents & a top view to show how wide she is in the hips.
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                  See the danger. THEN DO IT ANYWAY!!!
                  http://forums.offshoreelectrics.com/...hp?albumid=319
                  http://forums.offshoreelectrics.com/...hp?albumid=320

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                  • properchopper
                    • Apr 2007
                    • 6968

                    #24
                    Originally posted by 785boats
                    I can certainly vouch for the air packing effects of full length air traps.
                    I built a 1/10 scale (36") Miss Renault hull to run in our EA (4s) Sports Hydro class. It is a very wide hull with full length air traps. It lifted off very easily.
                    When I repainted it as the Miss Penrite, I cut some relief vents in the front part of the traps. Made a big difference.

                    Tony.
                    Most of our racing is in windy & rough conditions too, & the bigger hull does certainly help. Most of the boats are 30" & 33" Whips, ML GP335, 34" Aussie Hydros, Stealth Sport 20, a few Popeye hulls, & a few others I can't remember. The Miss Penrite does very well against them in choppy conditions.

                    Here's a couple of pics of the vents & a top view to show how wide she is in the hips.

                    I hear you on venting the traps. Back in 2009 when the UL-1 started getting sped up it developed the "death dance" at speed. I reduced the AoA on mine and vented the traps with some "diverter" strakes. Improved the ride substantially eliminating the "dance"

                    DSC01160.JPG
                    2008 NAMBA P-Mono & P-Offshore Nat'l 2-Lap Record Holder; '15 P-Cat, P-Ltd Cat 2-Lap
                    2009/2010 NAMBA P-Sport Hydro Nat'l 2-Lap Record Holder, '13 SCSTA P-Ltd Cat High Points
                    '11 NAMBA [P-Ltd] : Mono, Offshore, OPC, Sport Hydro; '06 LSO, '12,'13,'14 P Ltd Cat /Mono

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                    • Mxkid261
                      Senior Member
                      • Jun 2015
                      • 734

                      #25
                      Originally posted by properchopper
                      To give credit where credit is due, I first saw the hard lines on the KBB forum. I like how they keep the "spaghetti look" to a minimum. Actually I've seen stainless ones bent at angles to tighten up the water path. A little too tricky for me 'tho.

                      Another application :

                      [ATTACH=CONFIG]142569[/ATTACH]
                      Very cool, what are you using to hold the hard lines to the hull? Just make something up?

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                      • properchopper
                        • Apr 2007
                        • 6968

                        #26
                        Originally posted by Mxkid261
                        Very cool, what are you using to hold the hard lines to the hull? Just make something up?

                        Top Secret Close-Up Spy Photo : (CF scrap, grommet)

                        DSC07394.JPG
                        2008 NAMBA P-Mono & P-Offshore Nat'l 2-Lap Record Holder; '15 P-Cat, P-Ltd Cat 2-Lap
                        2009/2010 NAMBA P-Sport Hydro Nat'l 2-Lap Record Holder, '13 SCSTA P-Ltd Cat High Points
                        '11 NAMBA [P-Ltd] : Mono, Offshore, OPC, Sport Hydro; '06 LSO, '12,'13,'14 P Ltd Cat /Mono

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                        • 785boats
                          Wet Track Racing
                          • Nov 2008
                          • 3169

                          #27
                          Originally posted by properchopper
                          I hear you on venting the traps. Back in 2009 when the UL-1 started getting sped up it developed the "death dance" at speed. I reduced the AoA on mine and vented the traps with some "diverter" strakes. Improved the ride substantially eliminating the "dance"

                          [ATTACH=CONFIG]142573[/ATTACH]
                          Nice idea with the diverter strakes. Certainly food for thought.
                          See the danger. THEN DO IT ANYWAY!!!
                          http://forums.offshoreelectrics.com/...hp?albumid=319
                          http://forums.offshoreelectrics.com/...hp?albumid=320

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                          • Duncan_W
                            Junior Member
                            • Sep 2013
                            • 7

                            #28
                            Looks good, What is the weight.
                            I just finished mine and with a 4074 and 2ea 2s batts it comes in close to 7.5#.
                            it's not very quick yet as the warmest it been anywhere after 6 laps is under 100F.
                            I plan on turning up the timing and using bigger props but one variable at a time and it should get there.

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                            • photohoward1
                              Fast Electric Addict!
                              • Mar 2009
                              • 1610

                              #29
                              Well my conclusion on mine is that the sponsons are all wrong. Way to much angle of attack. Over 50 she waddles like or duck. Very unstable. I am in the process of changing the bottom sponsons. Will update how it she runs.


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                              • properchopper
                                • Apr 2007
                                • 6968

                                #30
                                Originally posted by Duncan_W
                                Looks good, What is the weight.
                                I just finished mine and with a 4074 and 2ea 2s batts it comes in close to 7.5#.
                                it's not very quick yet as the warmest it been anywhere after 6 laps is under 100F.
                                I plan on turning up the timing and using bigger props but one variable at a time and it should get there.

                                Duncan,

                                Your setup is sensible for P-Sport Hydro sprints. (Mill + 6 + penalty). I'm sure speed is adequate. I built mine to be sprint-capable plus to have some giggles by dropping in a way overboard power setup - I just HAD to see how the TP Power 4070 2200KV motor worked. Needed to step up to the Swordy 240 VII. Added another .65 lbs from the more appropriate 4060/220A setup. Minus batteries (@another 2.4 lbs for 2X 4S 5000's) the boat weighed in at a jaw-dropping 9.5 lbs. I actually did a bathtub test just to see if it would float.
                                2008 NAMBA P-Mono & P-Offshore Nat'l 2-Lap Record Holder; '15 P-Cat, P-Ltd Cat 2-Lap
                                2009/2010 NAMBA P-Sport Hydro Nat'l 2-Lap Record Holder, '13 SCSTA P-Ltd Cat High Points
                                '11 NAMBA [P-Ltd] : Mono, Offshore, OPC, Sport Hydro; '06 LSO, '12,'13,'14 P Ltd Cat /Mono

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