Whats your prefrence for glue when building a kit?

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  • tunnelvision0323
    Member
    • Sep 2014
    • 33

    #1

    Whats your prefrence for glue when building a kit?

    New to the building a boat from scratch. After your cut your bulkheads what is your preference of glue used to adjoin them? Also what do you use to laminate the frame before skinning it?

    Thanks
    Daniel
    Bl Mini Thunder / Miss Gieco 29 / 48" Miss Bud (workbench) / 35" roundnose (workbench)
  • NativePaul
    Greased Weasel
    • Feb 2008
    • 2759

    #2
    I use aliphatic resin and think it offers the best strength to weight but is not good for gap filling so parts have to fit well. 1-2 hour epoxies are a good alternative but are less convenient as they need mixing and are a fair bit heavier, but fill gaps well, you can fillet joints with epoxy very easily for a little more strength unlike aliphatic, but if you want extra strength in an joint you will get more strength at the cost of more time using a wood fillet whichever glue you use. I also use cynoacrilate to speed things up in certain areas, but it is pretty brittle so I wouldn't do a full build with it.
    Paul Upton-Taylor, Greased Weasel Racing.

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    • tunnelvision0323
      Member
      • Sep 2014
      • 33

      #3
      Thank you for your insight !! I just printed up my plans last week. I should be getting some balsa in the mail in the next day or so. cant wait to get started on cutting the frame out!!!
      Bl Mini Thunder / Miss Gieco 29 / 48" Miss Bud (workbench) / 35" roundnose (workbench)

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      • detox
        Fast Electric Addict!
        • Jun 2008
        • 2318

        #4
        Tack together with thin superglue. Use medium superglue and accelerator for tuff to hold bends without clamping. Use thin epoxy to seal and make hull stronger. I inject epoxy into hard to reach areas by drilling hole and using syringe (sealed top deck). You can buy the graduated mixing cups, popsical sticks, and syringes at Tower.

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        • 785boats
          Wet Track Racing
          • Nov 2008
          • 3169

          #5
          Have a read through mikes GP series kit manual, in the link below, & you will pick up some ideas & techniques.

          I use Medium CA glue for the main frame build. Epoxy resin to seal all the joints & the wood, & Epoxy to glue the top skins on.

          http://forums.offshoreelectrics.com/...ruction-manual
          Last edited by 785boats; 09-23-2014, 06:18 AM.
          See the danger. THEN DO IT ANYWAY!!!
          http://forums.offshoreelectrics.com/...hp?albumid=319
          http://forums.offshoreelectrics.com/...hp?albumid=320

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          • Chrisg81983
            Fast Electric Addict!
            • Jul 2011
            • 1556

            #6
            I Second 785boats reply ...... CA glue to start the process and I use west systems to finish it. West systems make a bunch of different additives that makes the job much easier. Each one will give a different characteristic some enable good gap filling properties along with increasing bonding strength. On the other hand they have some additives that will make sanding and shaping much easier then just straight up epoxy. I would definitely search the forum there are a bunch of threads that will be of use to you along with other related topics that will help as well.
            my youtube videos http://www.youtube.com/user/chris81983?feature=mhee

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            • tunnelvision0323
              Member
              • Sep 2014
              • 33

              #7
              Thanks a lot guys!!! A lot of great info, and the link for the ML build is very informative !!! Also the link in NativePaul's signature is VERY INFORMATIVE about boat building and hull setup and tuning! Im waiting on building supplies, in the meantime ill be blueprinting the bottom of my MG29 and painting it before I start any real boat building.
              Thanks again for all your input
              Daniel
              Bl Mini Thunder / Miss Gieco 29 / 48" Miss Bud (workbench) / 35" roundnose (workbench)

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              • pescador
                Senior Member
                • May 2009
                • 499

                #8
                If your looking for specific product no's I use West's System as well, 105 resin, 205 fast hardener, 207 special clear hardener for sealing the wood, and 405 filler for fillets.
                If your in a hot climate you might have to go to a slow hardener.


                Brian
                Namba District 16
                1/8 Miss U.S., 1/8 59 Maverick, 1/8 Executone, 1/8 Smokin Joes, MLGSX380, AC Pro40II Q Sport, AC Pro40II nitro,Twincraft mono 10s, Vision AOPC, VS1 FE, M34.

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                • Mike Caruso
                  Senior Member
                  • May 2012
                  • 940

                  #9
                  Try this book too it is very good
                  http://www.amazon.com/Gougeon-Brothe.../dp/1878207504
                  I bought a used one and get on their mailing list for paper news letters.
                  I need all the help I can get and someday I will be at Flint SAW
                  Mike
                  Do It Like You Mean It .....or Don't Bother

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                  • pescador
                    Senior Member
                    • May 2009
                    • 499

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Mike Caruso
                    Try this book too it is very good
                    http://www.amazon.com/Gougeon-Brothe.../dp/1878207504
                    I bought a used one and get on their mailing list for paper news letters.
                    I need all the help I can get and someday I will be at Flint SAW
                    Mike
                    Thanks for the tip on the book, there's one less on Amazon :)
                    Namba District 16
                    1/8 Miss U.S., 1/8 59 Maverick, 1/8 Executone, 1/8 Smokin Joes, MLGSX380, AC Pro40II Q Sport, AC Pro40II nitro,Twincraft mono 10s, Vision AOPC, VS1 FE, M34.

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                    • detox
                      Fast Electric Addict!
                      • Jun 2008
                      • 2318

                      #11
                      I use strong RAKA 127 thin resin and non blush 350 hardener. If you need it thicker just add filler such as fumed silica or microballoons. It also works good as a finishing resin

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                      • Chrisg81983
                        Fast Electric Addict!
                        • Jul 2011
                        • 1556

                        #12
                        Originally posted by detox
                        I use strong RAKA 127 thin resin and non blush 350 hardener. If you need it thicker just add filler such as fumed silica or microballoons. It also works good as a finishing resin
                        http://store.raka.com/11/2quartepoxykit.aspx
                        it looks to be a promising product how does it compare to West systems. Any information you can give me would be great.
                        thanks in advance cg
                        my youtube videos http://www.youtube.com/user/chris81983?feature=mhee

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                        • pescador
                          Senior Member
                          • May 2009
                          • 499

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Mike Caruso
                          Try this book too it is very good
                          http://www.amazon.com/Gougeon-Brothe.../dp/1878207504
                          I bought a used one and get on their mailing list for paper news letters.
                          I need all the help I can get and someday I will be at Flint SAW
                          Mike
                          Fantastic book thanks


                          Brian
                          Namba District 16
                          1/8 Miss U.S., 1/8 59 Maverick, 1/8 Executone, 1/8 Smokin Joes, MLGSX380, AC Pro40II Q Sport, AC Pro40II nitro,Twincraft mono 10s, Vision AOPC, VS1 FE, M34.

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                          • marker
                            Member
                            • Apr 2007
                            • 38

                            #14
                            There is an earlier version of "Gougeon Brothers on Boat Construction" on West Systems website for free down load.


                            Mark

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