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Darin E. Jordan - Renton, WA
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Well, "natural selection" is the result of spontaneous mutation. Genetic mutation is occurring all the time. How those mutations affect the survival of a particular individual determines if that individual survives to pass along those genes.
It is in this sense that the "selection" takes place. Nature "selects" certain genotypes to survive and pass along their genetic material.
But it all starts with mutation. Without the ongoing spontaneous genetic mutation there could not be any "natural selection" and hence what we know as evolution would not exist.
Unless of course you believe that God created everything just as we see it and that "He" makes changes as "He" sees fit. Then there is no need for mutation (unless God is just fooling around) and hence we have no worries about these flu viruses mutating and becoming a larger threat.
BTW - there is a really well done book written some time ago by a guy named Charles Darwin that details how all of this works. It is called "On the Origin of Species".Don't get me started
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I know all about it Bill... There is also a very good documentary movie called "Expelled" that goes into great detail on the subject... and also brings lots about it to question...
I'm sorry... but I just simply don't believe that all of this has happened just by random motion, as Evolutionary THEORY would suggest... the processes may happen, but there is no way that you will ever convince me that if I put wheat, tomatoes, and a pig into a ziplock, and shake it for infinity, that I'll wind up with a medium pepperoni pizza...
And... Darwin, and NO other scientist today, can explain HOW all this STARTED... The processes we observe were put in motion, and it wasn't done by random motion... no matter how long the bag has been shaken...
Darin E. Jordan - Renton, WA
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Your emphasis on the word theory demonstrates your lack of understanding what that means. TO you theory means about the same thing as "guess". It is not even close to that. Do a little reading about what "theory" means as it applies to science, it may help you to see the differences between evolution and the non-science crap that some want taught in our schools. And we wonder why we are losing our edge in the world.
BTW - gravity is just a "theory" too, but I don't suppose you need to have the concept of "God Glue" or whatever to explain why you don't fly off into space do you??
Let me get you started: http://www.wilstar.com/theories.htm
In layman’s terms, if something is said to be “just a theory,” it usually means that it is a mere guess, or is unproved. It might even lack credibility. But in scientific terms, a theory implies that something has been proven and is generally accepted as being true.Don't get me startedComment
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WOW, evolution against the religious. Left against right. Bloody hell guys no wonder you all need a therapist.
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Bill... I know what theory means... and I don't think it's anything near a "guess"... However, it DOES mean that, while we are able to observe some general, or even specific truths, we DON'T know for CERTAIN, and we can't fully explain, how, what, when, where, etc... with exacting precision or with certainty.
The bottom line is that YOU don't know, and either do I... and based on that, NEITHER of us can say for sure that we are right... You THINK you are, and you have a few observations that support your case, so that's good enough for you to deem yourself right (as in correct). I'm POSITIVE that I DO NOT have the answers, and I'm open to the possibility that we never will, but I'm also very sure that this stuff isn't going to just happen by accident or through random motion... I'm pretty sure there isn't some white guy sitting up on a throne playing chess with the earth, mind you, but there is something bigger than us going on.
You believe that Man is the all-knowing, center of everything in the Universe... and therefore we WILL find all the answers someday...
Me... not so much...
Keep shaking the bag, Bill... there's bound to be a pizza in there somewhere...
Darin E. Jordan - Renton, WA
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I think this whole swine flu thing is a way to divert attention from what's really happening. 100 people out of 300 million get it and it's an emergency?!?! What about HIV?? Whole lots more have it and they haven't closed the schools, sent people home from work, etc. But I guess as GRIDS (Gay Related Immune Deficiency Syndrome) mutated to HIV it became politically incorrect to quarantine those who carry and pass it.
I think it's a diversion, and I don't even have to listen to the news or entertainment programs like Hannity and Colmez to see that.
Did anybody here about the disgusting law that passed one of the houses of Congress yesterday? If it takes effect, prosecuting child molesters will become a "hate crime."
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Well, no, that is not what the bill says or does. What it did was include pedophiles in the group that if they are the victims of violent assault that the people who are alleged to have committed that assault can be prosecuted under the hate crimes statues.
I am not sure I get this whole "hate crime" thing. But I think the distinction is if the motivation for the crime was solely on the basis of the person being black, a homosexual, pedophile, etc. versus other reasons for killing or assaulting someone.Don't get me startedComment
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Andy, "nature" in the context in which I used it refers to the whole of the system. So if you are a bear and are born with black fur and you happen to live in the snowy Arctic regions, "nature" will select you to be less able to successfully get food because you stick out like a sore thumb. This makes it less likely that you will survive to pass your black fur genes along to the next generation.Don't get me startedComment
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Does this not require the Judge and Jury to know what was in the person's mind while committing a crime? How is this determined? Is beating some poor schmuck to a pulp a worse crime if your motivation is based on race/sexual orientation as opposed to "you just don't like the guy" or "he looked at me funny"? And if this does require the Judge and Jury to evaluate what was in the person's mind while committing a crime, aren't we getting a bit too close to "Thought Crimes"?
My opinion: Committing crime is a crime, regardless of your motivation for committing said crime.A nation of sheep breeds a government of wolvesComment
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Seriously, you think this??
Then explain to me how we differentiate between say 1st degree murder and manslaughter?? The courts and our laws have a long history of recognizing and evaluating intent. But now, because it may include people you do not like, the courts suddenly cannot understand or evaluate intent??
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"I am a lumberjack and I am OK" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpxQp3Hy5nk
Andy, from the wilderness of the big continent ...spot on, but jury duty will have to be served, when Paddy is accused of killing DUCKS and the Save the Duck in Tasmania society gets their way
Lads this discourse is really getting stupid and I will now hide under my mother's skirt
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