Best album/Group of the 60's and 70's era

[Flying Scotsman]

I love this discussion. In my humble opinion listener fatigue is caused by a very bright/ treble accentuation caused by making the wrong choices in equipment. Most people buy equipment that demands their initial attention in sound but generaly the worst enviroment...big box electronic stores. The bass and treble in most of these demos are exagerated beyond belief. You take it home and you are very disappointed with the sound..boomy bass and bright treble. Tone controls on QUALITY equipment can help but not mask the original problems. Choose the source first...CD/Phono...then speakers...then an amplifyer that is suited to drive the speakers and bring out the best sound possible from your other equipment. The best place to audition and buy equipment is at an audio store.

Douggie

[domwilson]

I think the consumer hi-fi market has taken cues from our government. Promise everything and deliver little to nothing. There is alot of hype from alot of manufacturers claiming that their equipment does this or that. That you'll see angels and their equipment promises world peace. Alot of people don't really know what hi-fi is, so they rely on the marketing hype. I recently went to one of those "Big Chain Stores" to evaluate some speakers. I was impressed by some small speakers and their deep bass. Not boomy, but deep and tight. Found the store had wired a sub to the speaker selector for all the small speakers. Turned the sub off and got a real listen to the crap they were trying to push. I was so tramatized!

[domwilson]

I love this discussion. In my humble opinion listener fatigue is caused by a very bright/ treble accentuation caused by making the wrong choices in equipment. Most people buy equipment that demands their initial attention in sound but generaly the worst enviroment...big box electronic stores. The bass and treble in most of these demos are exagerated beyond belief. You take it home and you are very disappointed with the sound..boomy bass and bright treble. Tone controls on QUALITY equipment can help but not mask the original problems. Choose the source first...CD/Phono...then speakers...then an amplifyer that is suited to drive the speakers and bring out the best sound possible from your other equipment. The best place to audition and buy equipment is at an audio store.


Douggie

You're right. Listener fatigue comes from various types of distortions (Harmonic, intermodulation, phase, etc.) and from the addition or subtration of sound not present in the original recording. Our brains pick that kind of stuff up.

Oh yeah...Just got done listening to Cat Stevens - Peace Train.

[EPower]

Please lets not forget Pink Floyd

[detox]

Choose the source first...CD/Phono...then speakers...then an amplifyer that is suited to drive the speakers and bring out the best sound possible from your other equipment.
Douggie

Wrong Speakers first...then amplifier (with tone controls)...because every recording studio uses a different sounding playback system... thus for every CD needs some type of equallization because of.

[Flying Scotsman]

Wrong Speakers first...then amplifier (with tone controls)...because every recording studio uses a different sounding playback system... thus for every CD needs some type of equallization because of.

Detox with all respect, you really have it all wrong. Source first and end of question !!! what is your source??

[detox]

My source is my ears...Douggie! You have fallen pray to that misleading Streophile magazine garbage. They want to confuse you so you will keep buying............ The answer is so simple.

[Flying Scotsman]

My source is my ears...Douggie! You have fallen pray to that misleading Streophile magazine garbage. They want to confuse you so you will keep buying............ The answer is so simple.

Their is some validity to that answer. But what is your source. cd..phono..???
if it is an Ipod or simillar piece of crap do not answer.

Douggie

[detox]

You got me...I have to answer this one. My listening system consists of Sonus Faber Grand Piano Home speakers, Sony SACD 333ES and Denon turntable with MC 160 cartidge, Denon DRA 37 AM/FM receiver (only about 30 watts per channel).

[Flying Scotsman]

A great system, change out the receiver and replace it with if you can afford it a seperate amp and tuner. Plus watts per channel mean nothing...in fact..those that claim high watts are usually rubbish

Douggie

[domwilson]

It's in the mind, man....In the mind.
The advertisers are eating my brain!

[domwilson]

A great system, change out the receiver and replace it with if you can afford it a seperate amp and tuner. Plus watts per channel mean nothing...in fact..those that claim high watts are usually rubbish

Douggie

The FTC rating for audio amplifiers have changed. It's no longer stated with all channels driven. They don't even have to give a power bandwidth anymore. Some manufacturers (Like Nad) are trying to get them to adopt a standard which will be useable by the consumer once again. Until then, equipment from 1997 back to 1974 go by the "old" but better rating system.

[detox]

A great system, change out the receiver and replace it with if you can afford it a seperate amp and tuner.
Douggie

Rubbish...I have B&K seperate. Try the $300.00 Denon...if you do not like simply return it. Most places have a 30 day return policy.

[domwilson]

That's another debate. As a owner of both, I'm neutral. It's all up to the individual. He is the one who has to live with his purchase. But if the manufacturer is "Soundesign" then you may draw some stares.

Donna Summer
John Cougar Mellencamp
Billy Idol.

[Flying Scotsman]

The FTC rating for audio amplifiers have changed. It's no longer stated with all channels driven. They don't even have to give a power bandwidth anymore. Some manufacturers (Like Nad) are trying to get them to adopt a standard which will be useable by the consumer once again. Until then, equipment from 1997 back to 1974 go by the "old" but better rating system.

This is the sad part. Dumb consumers buy product on hype. My son bought a .....42" LCD TV...four years ago at a cost of $2,500 It failed 2 weeks ago. My Sony XBR CRT 34" is working great...6 years old... and on high definition my son's wife's states why does our new LCD not look as good in picture quuality as Douggie's and we spent another $2,900?

Douggie