Banning traditional clothing???????????????

[m4a1usr]

Well,.........the Frenchies are going one better. They want to ban Burkas or a facial wrap on Muslim women! And there are civil penalties if you disobey. Jail for wearing ones religious freedom and or expression? Who the hell do the French think they are? Nice to see such a socialist society take on such right wing extremism. Maybe neck ties are next? Or maybe Nike clothing?

John

[ozzie-crawl]

well to me i am all for banning the burka.
there is votes about to go threw on the n.s.w parliament (AUS) very soon about its ban.
here in QLD they can have there car licence picture taken with it.
to me its a threat to our security.
i also look at the fact if a non muslim woman goes to a muslim state she has to cover her head,thats fair enough there country there religion there rules.
if a none muslim country banns them hows that any different.
biggest problem western societies face is there politicians and a lot of others are so scared of being labeled racists and such there letting minority groups take over and do as they please.
they come to western countries and setup synagogues to preach hate of non muslim and western society,yet they want to live in our free societies and take advantage of our life style.
if we take a christian bible to there countries see how far you get, how many non muslim churches are there in there muslim states,none they have zero tolerance.
personally i am sick of these types of people have nothing but hate for western societies yet want to live here,have no tolerance for for other cultures or religions yet want everyone to tolerate there's.
they don't even follow there own bible properly but twist its words and meanings to justify there actions.

[ozzie-crawl]

my views maybe rather strong on this,but there is no were in the Koran that says a women must cover her face completely.
they want to turn all countries into muslim states,if people want to stand back and allow that to happen,dont bitch when they take over.
dont bitch when your wife,daughter,granddaughter has to keep there whole head covered,that by there laws your wife,daughters,grand daughters will have there genitals butch ed,if there rapped then there stoned to death and you get to throw the first stones.
its not a religion,thats just used to justify there actions.

[Doby]

There are some people that consider that modern civilization started in the Middle East...it may have started there, but it stopped evolving the day after it started.

I agree with Ozzie. We all worry about the minorites concerns over the majorities.

Needs to stop before it gets out of control.

[Jmauld]

What the french do is their choice. Good for them for standing up to this religion.

[domwilson]

How is this different from what some islamic nations do? We shouldn't group all muslims in the same category as the extremists who commit violent crimes. Islam doesn't teach violence. As with most other religions, there are some that take things to the extreme. I do not agree with them wearing the apparel when qualifying for forms of identification but I do respect and appreciate their adherence to their basic religious beliefs. An no, it is not terrorizing people of different religions.

[ozzie-crawl]

it has been said that "not all Muslims are terrorists but all terrorists are Muslims"
i have personally know a few Muslims and they were very nice people
they kept there faith but integrated into Australian society.
But they amount of programs on tv in different western countries interviewing those running mos-cs show the hatred there breading and the contempt they have for us even tho there living in a non Muslim country.
you see them demonstrating in the U.K saying that England will soon get its 9/11
here in Australia when the twin towers were hit there was reports of Muslim communities celebrating.
a person i know working in a hotel here seen a big group of Muslims in the hotel all jump for joy and started cheering wen it came on the news that the twin towers were hit.
yes it maybe a small minority of them that strap bombs on but a majority of them clearly hate us,yet they hide behind a so called religion,thus giving them justification to hate us.
this is not what there Koran preaches but is the manipulation of words and small sections of the Koran, even tho its a book of contradictions.
seems its okay for them to preach there hate but if i stand up and say some thing against them iam the bad guy

[domwilson]

but if i stand up and say some thing against them iam the bad guy

Not at all. Some say that americans are bloodthirsty. I know I'm not. Almost all religions have some form of terrorism in their history. For the most part it is not the faith, but the people who misinterpret the teachings of it. History has taught us that. Unfortunately, we tend to group people in the same categories that is common to "those bad seeds". This is the basis for prejudice. For instance, not all italians are in the mafia. Not all bald white guys are skinheads. Not all black men want to rape white women. Not all asians are bad drivers or know kung fu. Not all priests molest little boys. Not all americans want to bomb brown people. It is the lack of knowledge or understanding that leads to such generalizations or stereotypes.

[ozzie-crawl]

what the hell are you talking about dom of course all asians know kunfu
i fully understand what your saying, and yes some of my comments are extreme.
you are right in saying its not so much there faith but human interpretation of the koran, still doesnt make it rite.
and as i stated earlier there using religion as an excuse to justify it as a holy war.
i am not religious but if there is a god would he want people killing in his name ?
and yes christian chuchs have a lot to answer for as well.
there wearing of the burka is not written in the koran but a man made thing

[AndyKunz]

If you want to live in America (or Canada, or Oz, or chase sheep) then do as the Americans (or Canadians, or ...).

Ask a service woman who was deployed to Saudi Arabia during the 91 Gulf War what she had to do when leaving the base. I don't know if that's different for those in Iraq or Afghanistan today, but I do know what it was 20 years ago.

If they can require us to follow their mores when in their cities, why should we not require they follow our mores when they come here?

Andy

[AndyKunz]

Almost all religions have some form of terrorism in their history.

I know mine has - on the receiving end, for hundreds of years. And the terrorizing religion has yet to apologize.

Andy

[domwilson]

what the hell are you talking about dom of course all asians know kunfu
i fully understand what your saying, and yes some of my comments are extreme.
you are right in saying its not so much there faith but human interpretation of the koran, still doesnt make it rite.
and as i stated earlier there using religion as an excuse to justify it as a holy war.
i am not religious but if there is a god would he want people killing in his name ?
and yes christian chuchs have a lot to answer for as well.
there wearing of the burka is not written in the koran but a man made thing

Unfortunately we have a lot of misguided people in this world who kill for various reasons. Religion, money, infidelity, race, sexuality, governmental ideologies, perceived threats, drugs, natural resources, etc. It doesn't make it right. But we have enough idiots in this world to justify just about anything. There are islamic extremists who should be dealt with accordingly for they terrorize the innocent and choose violence as a means of expressing their discontent. This is not acceptable by any means. But should we punish or blame the whole for the actions of a few?

[domwilson]

If you want to live in America (or Canada, or Oz, or chase sheep) then do as the Americans (or Canadians, or ...).

Ask a service woman who was deployed to Saudi Arabia during the 91 Gulf War what she had to do when leaving the base. I don't know if that's different for those in Iraq or Afghanistan today, but I do know what it was 20 years ago.

If they can require us to follow their mores when in their cities, why should we not require they follow our mores when they come here?

Andy

Because we are a nation of tolerance?

[ozzie-crawl]

If you want to live in America (or Canada, or Oz, or chase sheep) then do as the Americans (or Canadians, or ...).

Ask a service woman who was deployed to Saudi Arabia during the 91 Gulf War what she had to do when leaving the base. I don't know if that's different for those in Iraq or Afghanistan today, but I do know what it was 20 years ago.

If they can require us to follow their mores when in their cities, why should we not require they follow our mores when they come here?

Andy

thats my point exactly, if we choose to live in there country we have to live by there rules, but if they live in ours they dont seem to have to.
it seems more and more that we cant even voice our opinion.
i may seem to be generalising them but no more than them generalising us as the great satan,most of us are decent people

[domwilson]

thats my point exactly, if we choose to live in there country we have to live by there rules, but if they live in ours they dont seem to have to.
it seems more and more that we cant even voice our opinion.
i may seem to be generalising them but no more than them generalising us as the great satan,most of us are decent people

I think that's because we are "free" nations where religion (supposedly) and customs (generally) don't control the people. They, however, are not.