Politics

[Bill-SOCAL]

I am fully supporting a family values oriented referendum here in California that will ban divorce, which is without question one of the single most anti-family values actions in our society.

Broken homes cause a whole host of negative problems like spousal abuse, murder, child abuse, deep psychological problems for the children, and so on. Divorce also has tremendous negative financial effects on the families that are torn apart by it. Not to mention that divorce is entirely inconsistent with Christian religious beliefs. I do not recall seeing divorce mentioned in the Bible for instance.

If we truly do care about family values then I think this type of law is absolutely required to help maintain the sanctity of marriage and to preserve the two parent nuclear family model that is the crux of any family values argument.

Here's a nice summary from some researchers at Rutgers College:

http://marriage.rutgers.edu/Publications/pubtoptenmyths.htm

More: http://consequencesofdivorce.com/

How can we let something as damaging as divorce exist in a society that so strongly supports "family values"??

[domwilson]

Who runs the government? People.

Where have the family values, and honesty gone?

They've been replaced with consumerism and materialism. Parents don't spend as much time with their children as they used to. In many cases both Parents work. We want things because they are new and shiney. Not just because they work. We have become slaves to our wants and not to our needs.

[Steven Vaccaro]

I am fully supporting a family values oriented referendum here in California that will ban divorce, which is without question one of the single most anti-family values actions in our society.

Broken homes cause a whole host of negative problems like spousal abuse, murder, child abuse, deep psychological problems for the children, and so on. Divorce also has tremendous negative financial effects on the families that are torn apart by it. Not to mention that divorce is entirely inconsistent with Christian religious beliefs. I do not recall seeing divorce mentioned in the Bible for instance.

If we truly do care about family values then I think this type of law is absolutely required to help maintain the sanctity of marriage and to preserve the two parent nuclear family model that is the crux of any family values argument.

Here's a nice summary from some researchers at Rutgers College:

http://marriage.rutgers.edu/Publications/pubtoptenmyths.htm

More: http://consequencesofdivorce.com/

How can we let something as damaging as divorce exist in a society that so strongly supports "family values"??

Bill what do they suggest those people that want to get divorced do?

[domwilson]

the poor have never paid taxes... they expect everyone to whipe there ass for them...

it goes like this
you give a poor person money, they go buy a freakishly huge tv and then complain they don have any food and expect you to give them more money...(only so they can buy sumthing else stupied...

you give a poor person a job and they get fired for never showing up, but still expect to get paid

you give a poor person of a different race a lawyer= you get a law suit for being racism... if you loose the poor person buys a bently then the bank takes it away becuse he didnt pay sh!t on anything and looses all his money and is poor again...

While I don't agree with your stereotyping of the lower income portion of the population, in some cases, a small percentage, this may be true. However, there are alot of people struggling with just the neccessities of everyday living. They work hard for the small paychecks that they receive and put that money towards putting a roof over their heads. There may be circumstances beyond their control and beyond the stereotype.

[domwilson]

Bill what do they suggest those people that want to get divorced do?

More info. on that.. http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-2...ers-California

[rockwerks]

Cash for clunkers... $24,000 PER CAR processed is what that COST the tax payers.... $24,000... I know I sure feel "stimulated"...

and we want to turn over health care to the government? the same government that paid 10,000 for a toilet seat?

[Bill-SOCAL]

Bill what do they suggest those people that want to get divorced do?

Let me ask you why what is perhaps the single most devastating thing that can happen to a family acceptable to you as a person who holds family values as one of your core beliefs??

[Bill-SOCAL]

and we want to turn over health care to the government?

Well, nobody is advocating "turning over" health care to the government. What is being proposed is to allow the government to offer an alternative for those who cannot otherwise afford health care, or who will willingly choose to participate, access to a government run option. Everyone else is free to do as they choose.

But let me ask you, since you are so vehemently opposed to government run health care what do you plan to do when you become eligible for Medicare?

[RCprince]

Well, nobody is advocating "turning over" health care to the government. What is being proposed is to allow the government to offer an alternative for those who cannot otherwise afford health care, or who will willingly choose to participate, access to a government run option. Everyone else is free to do as they choose.

But let me ask you, since you are so vehemently opposed to government run health care what do you plan to do when you become eligible for Medicare?

To bad we can't take away medicare from those who don't want government health care...silly people I tell you.

[rockwerks]

Well, nobody is advocating "turning over" health care to the government. What is being proposed is to allow the government to offer an alternative for those who cannot otherwise afford health care, or who will willingly choose to participate, access to a government run option. Everyone else is free to do as they choose.

But let me ask you, since you are so vehemently opposed to government run health care what do you plan to do when you become eligible for Medicare?

You do realize that a major portion of funding for this program comes from medicare funds right?

I do know people in the health care insurance field that have told me that if the public option comes to pass many fo their insurance providers will just stop writing insurance in those states who choose to participate. that will leave nothing but the public option which is just what the powers to be are hoping for.

The numbers of insurance profits for health care seem immense but actually on average profit margins are less that 2% for most health care plans. While that might be in the multi millions some years. it only takes a few bad quarters for the companies to be in the red. As baby boomers get older we will see a shift from insurance companies making a profit to a loss.

If the government wishes to decrease health care insurance costs they need to provide some services themselves like the purchase of MRI and other expensive units to provide the services needed. It will save billions in heath care expense.

I dont have all the answers but the plan as it stands is less than a half baked idea

[Darin Jordan]

To bad we can't take away medicare from those who don't want government health care...silly people I tell you.

Oh yah... Medicare is bliss... Aside from the fact that it has over 30 TRILLION Dollars in unpaid liabilities... it's a regular panacia of social responsibility...

Let's definitely do this to the rest of the healthcare system!!

[rockwerks]

To bad we can't take away medicare from those who don't want government health care...silly people I tell you.

I have paid for medicare my entire working life. and I will receive less in benefits than I paid in. NOw with this health care plan I who can not afford my own coverage because I am self employed will be fined 1800.00 per year if I dont buy insurance. Damned if I do and Damned if I dont

[rockwerks]

If the Government really wishes to help with Health care costs they should give every American a tax deduction for the COST of health care coverage. And businesses a deduction for providing coverage to their employees. That would provide a massive infusion of capitol into the markets.

That would increase money available for people to spend and save which would spur the economy 1,000 percent more than the worthless stimulus package did

[Darin Jordan]

If the Government really wishes to help with Health care costs they should give every American a tax deduction for the COST of health care coverage. And businesses a deduction for providing coverage to their employees. That would provide a massive infusion of capitol into the markets.

That would increase money available for people to spend and save which would spur the economy 1,000 percent more than the worthless stimulus package did

Wouldn't hurt if they'd attack the regulation and TORT stystems to get the actual costs down, as well...

[Steven Vaccaro]

Let me ask you why what is perhaps the single most devastating thing that can happen to a family acceptable to you as a person who holds family values as one of your core beliefs??

It amazes me how people are willing to trade away rights.

I'm totally against divorce, but how can the government tell us what we can or can not do in our lives? Where does it stop? These values need to be taught, not pushed on us. All that would do is push people to not get married in the first place. Ca and the gay rights marriage laws have diluted the meaning of marriage enough, now CA (the leader of the gay rights parade) is further trying to ruin the meaning of it. Whats next?