Rep. John Boehner: I'm an American, and I support a Public Option.

[AndyKunz]

Our enforcement agencies (the House and the Senate) should be able to act on my behalf and impose levies and fines upon them.

Civics 101:

In our system, the House and Senate comprise the Legislative Branch. They are responsible ONLY for making the laws.

The Executive Branch (President, who is in charge of military, police, various administrative agencies) is the "enforcement agency."

The Judicial Branch exists to ensure that the Legislative Branch makes laws which conform to the Constitution, and that the Executive Branch only prosecutes those who are lawbreakers. Contrary to what the activists think, the Judicial does NOT have the ability to make laws.

Andy

[RCprince]

Civics 101:

In our system, the House and Senate comprise the Legislative Branch. They are responsible ONLY for making the laws.

The Executive Branch (President, who is in charge of military, police, various administrative agencies) is the "enforcement agency."

The Judicial Branch exists to ensure that the Legislative Branch makes laws which conform to the Constitution, and that the Executive Branch only prosecutes those who are lawbreakers. Contrary to what the activists think, the Judicial does NOT have the ability to make laws.

Andy

I was waiting for that... and so Like I said, our enforcement agencies, (The House and the Senate) Thats why we have Senate and House hearings. Then the pitbull get you.

[domwilson]

So the fighting continues... http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091012/...rhaul_insurers

[RCprince]

So the fighting continues... http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091012/...rhaul_insurers

"The Dem are such patsies"

[Bill-SOCAL]

Sorry, but I'm going to choose to live in a world where making a profit is NOT evil...

While profit itself is not inherently evil, the pursuit of it certainly can be evil. And please show where it is written that everything must be for profit. Health care for profit has morphed into a profit at any cost endeavor, and that cost is mostly human suffering and lives.

I know several people, who thought they were insured, who are now dead because their insurance company decided for one reason or another that it was cheaper to let them die than to give them the life saving treatment they needed, and what was strongly recommended by their doctors.

When I hear people whine that they don't want to remove profit from these companies I literally want to puke. Then those same people say they don't want some government person between them and their doctor. Well guess what, you have some nameless faceless insurance drone between you and your doctor right now.

Tell me it is not at least immoral, if not out right evil, to declare that spousal abuse is a preexisting condition in order to deny care for the victims of such abuse. Really, Cigna making a few bucks more this quarter is OK based on that type of action?

I had a brain tumor and my wife had breast cancer back in 2005. She is now basically a slave to her employer because if she leaves that job neither one of us can get health insurance at any kind of reasonable rate. We checked recently, the best we could do was a policy with extremely high deductible that would cost us in excess of $3,000 per month. With the individual deductible we would be out of pocket for over $15,000 per year BEFORE THEY PAID A SINGLE PENNY of our health costs, if any. But THANK GOD the insurance companies are making a profit, anything else would be evil

I sincerely hope none of you who seem to be such strong supporters of the current system ever lose your job or find yourselves putting your insurance to the test, but sadly I think that is what it will take for many of you to truly see how awful things are and how twisted it is to defend these companies and their business practices.

[domwilson]

Have we become so callous as to place a dollar amount on a human life? What next, human hunting for the rich?

[rockwerks]

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/13/he...health.html?hp

Pot meet Kettle

[domwilson]

What I find so amazing is that some of the insurers were on board with the reform. Baucus came up with a bill that was more friendly to them. Now they are going back to the same tactics that they did in the '90's with Clinton. Some politicians claim that they need more time. As far as I'm concerned, they've had since the '90's to fix this. We've trusted them to do the right thing since then, but yet their tactics have grown worse. It's no longer about the uninsured. It's about everyone who has been let down by the system. People are resistant to change. But over the last couple of decades, we've seen constant change in how healthcare is administered in this country. Not neccessarily for the good of the people who they serve.

[rockwerks]

What I find so amazing is that some of the insurers were on board with the reform. Baucus came up with a bill that was more friendly to them. Now they are going back to the same tactics that they did in the '90's with Clinton. Some politicians claim that they need more time. As far as I'm concerned, they've had since the '90's to fix this. We've trusted them to do the right thing since then, but yet their tactics have grown worse. It's no longer about the uninsured. It's about everyone who has been let down by the system. People are resistant to change. But over the last couple of decades, we've seen constant change in how healthcare is administered in this country. Not neccessarily for the good of the people who they serve.

Trust me this plan will be no better and in the end cost us all much more and still have many American uninsured but penalized for not being able to purchase it in the first place. If you want people to be able to afford insurance give them a 100% tax deduction for the insurance costs. but instead many will be paying higher taxes to pay for the very poor and the middle will be FAWKED again

[domwilson]

Trust me this plan will be no better and in the end cost us all much more and still have many American uninsured but penalized for not being able to purchase it in the first place. If you want people to be able to afford insurance give them a 100% tax deduction for the insurance costs. but instead many will be paying higher taxes to pay for the very poor and the middle will be FAWKED again

But wouldn't a 100% tax deduction equate to the government paying for insurance? What about the other ingredients in this disaster? The focus needs to be taken off of health insurance reform and make it real healthcare reform. Where all the included parties, hospitals, insurers, coverage providers (not insurers but represent themselves as alternatives), clinics, phamaceuticals, doctors, care providers, device makers, etc. will have to change their methods of operation to minimize fraud and waste. It's so bad, even organized crime has taken interest. http://www.fiercehealthcare.com/stor...id=OTC-RSS-FH0

But here is an interesting opinion.. http://www.theroot.com/views/why-hea...rganized-crime

[domwilson]

But back to topic on this thread. I think it just goes to show that politician lie. Whether it be for their own personal gain or to benefit those who they truly represent. In this case, it doesn't appear to be his constituients...