which is better a castle 200hv or a schulze?

[kevin335]

which is better the castle 200,240 hv esc or the schulze 40.160 as in performance?

[jevmax]

40-160

[T.S.Davis]

Sorry, I'm a total slappy for Castle but the Schulze is a higher performance unit. Smooth as warm butter. The Schulze is probably under rated at 160 amps too. Think of it like comparing a Shelby Mustang to a Porsche Carrera GT. Sure the Mustang will rip a hole out out of the pavement......but the Porsche makes the hair on your neck stand up.

Just check on compatibility with your motor choice first.

I've been impressed with Fightercat ESC's but haven't actually run one myself yet.

[RaceMechaniX]

I would argue the better controller heavily depends on the application and which motor. Schulzes are definite powerhouses, however the current spec controllers do have some issues with Neu and other motors. The older 40.160wk's are very versatile, but getting rare and sought after. I have tested 200 ICE's, 40.160's, 32.200's and 40.303's. Specifically if you plan on running a Lehner, the Schulzes are going to be a solid combo. If you are running something else I would expand your search and look at other controllers too.

Ben (fightercat's) esc's as well as Swordfish's have proved out well in a number of applications.

If you plan on running 8S and below, the Castle ICE 240 is an excellent controller for the money.

Tyler

[T.S.Davis]

That's what I meant by check compatibility. I think the Schulze struggles with the big Plett too.

I run a lot of Castles myself. In everything I own at the moment. However, if given an ICE240 I wouldn't run it. I won't run what I can't trust.

[RaceMechaniX]

I've run the Schulzes with some very high current set-ups and logged around 450A continous. I have also run the ICE240's at some very high currents around 450A too. Although these two differ drastically the ICE 240 is becoming one of my favorites. I have only failed them due to exetreme punishment during SAW racing.

Tyler

[Fluid]

However, if given an ICE240 I wouldn't run it. I won't run what I can't trust.That's your prerogative of course, but exactly how many ICE240s have burned up on you? Or where they the obsolete Hydra 240s? Completely different animals with different designs, parts and firmware. I've been racing three ICE controllers for over 18 months - right at their max rated amps - with zero problems. I made dozens of SAW passes with a brand new ICE240 in LA with zero problems....unlike the last time I ran SAW where my Schulzes were so unreliable they would not allow me to make backup passes. I like the 40-160 and 32-170 for some applications, but after so much good experience with four different ICEs I'm not afraid. Gut up and experience 2011 Terry.... :wink:


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[Steven Vaccaro]

i was selling the airplane version ice 100 & 200 for quite a while before the boat version came out. i also personally still use them in boats with added cooling and waterproofing. as far as i can remember there were zero issues.

[Fluid]

Will the schulze 40-303wk hold together without frying with the cc2028 with a 70mm prop on 10s ive tried a couple of ESC's and over amped them.Probably not, that is likely an excessive setup for current technology. You'd probably have burned up the motor and packs had the other ESCs held together. The CC2028 is a great motor, but trying to run a gas-sized prop on one is just looking for trouble. Try more appropriate props in the 60-65 mm range, depending on the hull.


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[Doby]

Schulze any day..how many recalls have there been vs Castles controllers.

[T.S.Davis]

Gut up and experience 2011 Terry.... :wink:
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I know, I know. After the third one failed I quit trying. I had them send me another Hydra 240 instead of another ICE. I SO wanted them to work as I really am a Castle superfreak. The ICE never went thermal nuclear. They just stopped working. Servo still live. No throttle. One of them only managed a couple feet before it stopped working. I took the ICE out and dropped in a Hydra 240LV and beat the poo out of it all summer. Got it wet a bunch o' times too. Love the old version. I still think the H240LV is the best bang for the buck speedo since the old SC-3 stuff Andy was selling.

The Fighter cat units will be the next ESC's I torture.

What ever happened to Hacker? They were headed in the right direction with the 77 that looked much like the Turnigy unit. Then I don't know what happened.

[RaceMechaniX]

I have yet to test a 2028 and a 40.300 oe 32.200 combo, but it's on my list as well as testing the 2028 with a ICE240 on 8S. I would expect you could run a 2028 on 8S with 65-70mm props with low pitch ratio's on a cat/rigger/sport hydro, but a mono I would start around 60mm and check currents. 10S is going to pull quite a few more amps so start in the 55-60mm range. I have tried a 2215 1.5Y with a 40.300 and failed the 40.300. I am 99% sure its mostly a software issue. I have had one 32.200wk work flawlessy with that 2215 1.5Y on 8S and 10S, but other 32.200's were no good. All of them were brand new.

[ManuelW]

just a question: When you consider to buy a Schulze 303 or maybe 333 for that money it costs (VERY expensive), wouldn't it make sense to also use a motor like a NEU 22's series?

Maybe a bit more info about the desired application would make sense (hull, lipos, prop, speed, runtime, budet,...)?

Best regards,
Manuel

[RaceMechaniX]

Manuel,

I wish this was true! As expensive and high qaulity as the Schulzes are I would expect the same, but my experience has not been so. On Schulze's behalf though they have been excellent about repairing units at very reasonable costs. I think I will ship them a couple sample Neu & Castle Neu motors ranging from 1515's to 2028's to test with their controllers the next time I send a controller back for repair. I believe they just don't have access to a variety of Neu/Castle/Leopard motors to be able to develop the control algorythms. The Lehners being an ironless design has signifigantly different characteristics than the iron core stator Neu's. Enough difference to casue problems in the controls.

my 2 cents.

Tyler

[Doug Smock]

FWIW There are twenty current IMPBA FE records with the Shultze/Neu combination.

[Make-a-Wake]

I run two 2028 setups with the Swordfish 240hv.............great ESC..................i fried two of the brand new Castle 200HV's...........SF's for me from now on!!

[RaceMechaniX]

FWIW There are twenty current IMPBA FE records with the Shultze/Neu combination.

True, I believe those were probably all the older style from pics I have seen of the record setting hulls in recent years. I think I am the only NAMBA record holder using the newer style ecs's.

[Slvrbowtie]

So what your saying is if you really want to do it right go with the schulze 40.303 and the 3080 lehner motor and send it. that is if your pockets are deep enought.

[RaceMechaniX]

Not necessarily. If you want to go big then yes the Lehner 3080 and Schulze 40.333 is probably the highest power system you can currently build in a single. I meaured 12.5kW on mine http://forums.offshoreelectrics.com/showthread.php?22860-DF-Sniper-45-T-Mono-Build-Target-100mph

However, a 2028 Castle/Neu or 5692 Leopard with a 200A speedo in a lighter hull will go just as fast on half the power.

It's about the right pairing of components.

TG

[ManuelW]

Do you have pictures of that hull?

I'm not really experienced with monos but 65" is really big, maybe it makes sense to use a twin-setup?

Best regards,
Manuel

[Slvrbowtie]

Yes I prob should have made it twins but without messing up the paint job and sending it back to the hull builder it's to late. I would do pics but not sure how to get them on here.

[JIM MARCUM]

646206462111/23/2011
FYI: Castle is now sending out the new CASTLE HYDRA ICE2 HV 200, version 2, esc's. I received (2) new HYDRA ICE2 HV 200 esc's today (one of my originals fried & melted the leads on the inside, the other only blew the caps). I will test them this week in my 68" segad cat, leopard 5692 1340kv, 8s2p/10s2p config. Castle has been working very hard to assure these new units will not fail. It took awhile to do it right and have a product we can all trust. I have no doubt that they will work as designed.

I love the great customer service and product support castle - an American company - has given me. Jim

[ManuelW]

So the boat is already built? What was used before, which power plant do you want to replace?

Best regards,
Manuel

[JIM MARCUM]

64634The Seagad is an electric conversion of the gas boat. I have ran a Leopard 5692 730KV with 12S2P, and a 5692 1090KV with 8S2P. Speeds were 67.7MPH and 70+ respectively. Going to run a 5692 1340KV 8S2P & 10S2P setups to really give the new ESCs a workout.

[Slvrbowtie]

what size prop do you run

[JIM MARCUM]

Currently, I'm running an Octura X462. JIM

[JIM MARCUM]

I ran a pre-recall Castle Hydra ICE 200HV. Before it fried the caps, it showed 360A spikes with 150-200A constant. After that the data logger no longer worked.

[Old Sloppy]

it showed 360A spikes
. After that the data logger no longer worked.

Gee, I just can't figure out why the data lgger no longer worked? (he he)
Harry

[JIM MARCUM]

I love the smell of fried data loggers in the morning. JIM

[Fluid]

Gee, I just can't figure out why the data lgger no longer worked? (he he)Harry, this was one of the recalled 200HV controllers, but Jim had not sent it back for repairs. It failed the same reason the myriad of other HV Castles did - a sub-standard part foisted on the maker without notification by the supplier.


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[Rumdog]

And, the maker didn't do any sort of quality inspection or testing before shipping them to the customer.

[Jeepers]

Rumdog, not sure if you work in production but it is VERY EASY for a supplier to slip in a substandard part during the manufacturing process.

I am willing to bet there is quality control and testing being done at Castle Creations otherwise you would be getting components that are non
operational and a host of other problems that you will never see unless you work at Castle, they would quickly be out of business if they did not have some type of quality control

Trust me, I have worked in several production facilities, been part of the quality control process many times, could Castle implement a more rigorous
testing procedure... sure, but your gonna pay even more for the product. If you got rid of every flaw in a product you would not have anything to sell to consumers.

[Punisher 67]

Just chiming in...............................:popcorn2:

[Rumdog]

Yes, I do work in production, and have since I was 16. That is for the most part the reasoning for my belief in this Castle incident. That lack of QC would never fly where I'm from.

[Fluid]

it is VERY EASY for a supplier to slip in a substandard part during the manufacturing process....Save your breath, some folks don't care about facts or reality - their world view is apparently pretty naive and everything is black and white. :wink:



Gotta love the ignore feature..

[Rumdog]

Ignore my a** . I think you type that at least once a week. Nobody cares.
Since my opinion differs from yours "rocket scientist" I'm naive. I refuse to back this company because since I have been into FE boating, they have had quality issues with their product. Is that naive, or a rational decision? As far as the ONE issue with these being caps, a simple visual inspection would have caught this pretty easily. Castle's "maker" IS Castle. Yhey own the oversea factory, so it was their own employees which blew it.

[JIM MARCUM]

Geeze guys, CHILL OUT!!! Fluid was correct. The Castle ICE 200HV that I fried at the Legg Lake SAWs was the second of two brand new Castle HV ESCs that gave up the ghost. The first one completely self destructed, with the ESC/Motor leads buring up & coming loose from the inside. I had already sent the first one back to Castle in July (I think) when I blew the caps on the second ESC at Legg Lake. I sent the second ESC to Castle about three weeks before they issued the HV ESC recall, and was able to add it to my original order.

I haven't had a chance to give the two new HYDRA ICE2 HV ESCs a workout yet, but I trust Castle to stand behind thier products. Thier people were great to work with, patient, honest, & always kept me informed about the recall/return progress. In my mind, Castle has great customer service, and produce excellent products. JIM

[Punisher 67]

64634The Seagad is an electric conversion of the gas boat. I have ran a Leopard 5692 730KV with 12S2P, and a 5692 1090KV with 8S2P. Speeds were 67.7MPH and 70+ respectively. Going to run a 5692 1340KV 8S2P & 10S2P setups to really give the new ESCs a workout.

Thats a beautiful boat Jim , who sells that and is it already painted and decal-ed