20 Trillion by 2019

[sjslhill]

The US will be in debt $20,000,000,000,000 trillion by 2019, I expect it will be even more.

If you can't see a problem with this......keep on backing the current politicans in Washington.

Be prepared for your income to be taxed 70% down the road.

[ozzie-crawl]

i dont know about the states but i suspect it would be around the same as Australia. i pay income tax,gst,import tax,car rego, fuel is about 60% tax, every time i buy something its taxed sometimes 3-4 times before i get it.car rego and fuel tax is suppose to support new roads,bridges etc but about 6% goes back in to these, every time they build a new road or bridge here they put a toll on it and charge us $3-$4 to drive on it, i would be very surprised if 60-70% of my wages doesn't already go in taxes already

[Simon.O.]

For all of those who love all of this life is going to get harder and harder hype.

A local comedian once wrote that life is like space-invaders ( some may be too young to remember)

"It gets harder and harder and then you die, you can not win."

[ozzie-crawl]

very true, my point was i already pay 70% tax
i look at politics this way
you basically have two people to chose from on election day, i look at it like two different thieves breaking in to your house
first one will screw you then kill you
second guy will kill you then screw you
they go about it in different ways but at the end of the day the out comes the same

[Dr. Jet]

Term limits and tort reform would go a long ways to rescue this country from it's impending doom. Do you think a bunch of elected lawyers will do anything to change either of these? I didn't think so. Let's look at this objectively for a moment: We elect people to represent us right? What do these clowns do? Write laws for us, then exempt themselves from those laws. Once elected, all their efforts go towards getting re-elected, not improving the life and liberty of us, their bosses. They are supposed to work for us, not on their re-election plans. We are governed by an elitist ruling class. Republicrats, Demicans, they're all the same. The Kennedys, the Bushes, the Clintons, the Gores, and so on. What ever happened to the idea of "Citizen Politicians"? You know, something like "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington".

Until the collective voters of this country (or any country for that matter) get the idea that the word "incumbent" after a politician's name should mean no more votes for him/her, we will be in this mess. I place a large amount of the blame on the State-run Media, and the State-run education system. Based on the most recent election results, it is obvious that the majority of voters have no clue as to the real issues, and have a collective political I.Q. approaching room temperature. Obama won the election without ever outlining the details of a single program or position. When campaigning, did he ever mention that he wanted to spend nearly a trillion dollars within the first few weeks of his administration, padding the pockets of his political supporters? Yet everybody voted for "Hope and Change". What the hell is that supposed to mean, and why is it worthy of a vote?

I think we need a new political party, the Constitutional Nationalist Party, where the platform is "Borders, Language, Culture". Unfortunately, that will never happen. As an alternative, we should adopt a "Throw the Bums Out" movement. Imagine what would happen if "Incumbent" meant automatic political death. PACS would become impotent. Back-room deals would mean nothing. Nobody would need to give the ability to vote to ILLEGAL ALIENS, just to secure their re-election plans.

I've said it before the election, and I'll say it again: We're screwed.

[Rumdog]

yep, lets blame all the problems on "illegals". Sounds like someone's got some race issues.

[domwilson]

Close enough in the name. Same agenda.
White Supremist group..

http://www.nationalist.org/pages/home/home.html

[Flying Scotsman]

I think we also should also shoulder the blame. We entered into credit agreements that most sensible people would have said we can not pay based on our single or dual incomes. The banks should have said no to your request for credit.
Governments bailing out corporations because of their stupidity, is another matter, it all comes down to your vote in areas of low employment, troubled companies and the silly hope that the Government will save your job if you vote for me or our party. I witnessed the death of the auto and shipbuilding in th UK and no provision of Government funds saved those industries

Douggie

[domwilson]

Can you imagine if the stimulus had of went to "responsible" businesses? Incentatives to encourage growth and hiring. Tax cuts for the middle class. Programs to help businesses be more reccession proof. I just think that the money could have been spent a little more wisely. AIG came looking for a hand-out and then came back flaunting what they got in the faces of the american people.

[Rumdog]

Close enough in the name. Same agenda.
White Supremist group..

http://www.nationalist.org/pages/home/home.html

man, this crap gives me the creeps. I cannot believe there are still people like this in America. IGNORANT

[domwilson]

Alot of times these groups look for someone to blame for some of the problems in society. What they don't realize is that the same minorities that they are blaming have the same issues. The "Elite" in this country don't have the race issues that some of America has. They have only one color...Green.

[Punisher 67]

Jeez I love these , carry on fellas.................................

[Eggy]

In Norway the taxes is way out of control.

We pay over 2$ a liter for petrol that makes about 8$ a gallon about 65% of this is taxes and that is LOW, in 1998 the taxes on petrol was 75%

They just started expanding the highway near me, when they are done they are putting up 6 tolls on a distance of 110 Miles. Each toll costing about 3$, that adds up to a total fee of 18$ to drive the distance of 110 Miles. In addition to the cost of petrol.

And we have a lot of silly taxes, to take one. We pay taxes on the money we inherit, so if my grandfather dies and want to leave me some money, i have to pay taxes on the money that he has made and already payed taxes on. The same goes to propery, if i inherit a propery i have to pay a max of 20% of the value in taxes, if i sell the propery i will have to pay 28% of the income of the propery in taxes.

Welcome To Norway :D

[Dr. Jet]

yep, lets blame all the problems on "illegals". Sounds like someone's got some race issues.

There is nothing in my comments about race. If you are blue-eyed and blonde and sneak in this country illegally from Sweden, I have the same opinion. I don't want my tax dollars going to support you. End of discussion. I don't care what country you come from, race has nothing to do with it. You violate our laws and expect me to pay for your sorry a$$? GO HOME and fix your own crappy country and respect my Borders, Language, and Culture.

[Rumdog]

Culture? Language? Get real man, it's called diversity.

[Dr. Jet]

Culture? Language? Get real man, it's called diversity.

Diversity has never been the path to greatness. It is the uniqueness of the American culture and rugged individulaism that made this country great. Historically, people came here from other cultures to become Americans, not some hyphenated sub-group claiming special rights and exclusions.

Rememeber the phrase "the melting pot"? People came from around the world because of the opportunity this country offered (not the claim of equal outcome), they learned English, and they became became Americans. The melting pot is gone and we now have fruit salad. Lots of little enclaves of various cultures, all clinging to their own cultures making this country a non-entity.

Diversity is a curse, not a blessing.

[domwilson]

Diversity has never been the path to greatness. It is the uniqueness of the American culture and rugged individulaism that made this country great. Historically, people came here from other cultures to become Americans, not some hyphenated sub-group claiming special rights and exclusions.

Rememeber the phrase "the melting pot"? People came from around the world because of the opportunity this country offered (not the claim of equal outcome), they learned English, and they became became Americans. The melting pot is gone and we now have fruit salad. Lots of little enclaves of various cultures, all clinging to their own cultures making this country a non-entity.

Diversity is a curse, not a blessing.

America has taken the strengths of each culture and incorporated it into their own.

[rockwerks]

There is nothing in my comments about race. If you are blue-eyed and blonde and sneak in this country illegally from Sweden, I have the same opinion. I don't want my tax dollars going to support you. End of discussion. I don't care what country you come from, race has nothing to do with it. You violate our laws and expect me to pay for your sorry a$$? GO HOME and fix your own crappy country and respect my Borders, Language, and Culture.

Less than 2% of health care and other social service totals goes to support illegal immigrants in this country.

[rockwerks]

Diversity has never been the path to greatness. It is the uniqueness of the American culture and rugged individulaism that made this country great. Historically, people came here from other cultures to become Americans, not some hyphenated sub-group claiming special rights and exclusions.

Rememeber the phrase "the melting pot"? People came from around the world because of the opportunity this country offered (not the claim of equal outcome), they learned English, and they became became Americans. The melting pot is gone and we now have fruit salad. Lots of little enclaves of various cultures, all clinging to their own cultures making this country a non-entity.

Diversity is a curse, not a blessing.

It has always been that way since the beginning of this country.

Historically people from other countries have tended to stay with their group since the beginning, right down to religion. You have your facts exactly backwards. These days we have a higher percentage of integration than ever before in US history.

100 years ago it would have been inconceivable for a Jewish girl to marry a christian or Muslim, today it is a common occurrence.

[Dr. Jet]

Less than 2% of health care and other social service totals goes to support illegal immigrants in this country.

You obviously have not visited an emergency ward in Southern California lately. Where do you find these nonsensical statistics?

Illegal aliens cost California over $10,500,000,000 a year (education, encarceration, and healthcare - $1,400,000,000 on healthcare alone): http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/immigr...caillegals.htm

[rockwerks]

You obviously have not visited an emergency ward in Southern California lately. Where do you find these nonsensical statistics?

Illegal aliens cost California over $10,500,000,000 a year (education, encarceration, and healthcare - $1,400,000,000 on healthcare alone): http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/immigr...caillegals.htm

your statistics are from 2004, in 2004 the california health care spending was 169,000,000,000 you where right! it is less than 1% for the year!

http://www.chcf.org/documents/insura...CAaddendum.pdf

[Rumdog]

"Diversity is a curse, not a blessing." Well that just about says it all man. I'd love to know how immigrants speaking a different language upsets you so much. Guess what man, EVERYONE is different, and has the right to be. Get over it! They also have the right to any friggin kind of culture they want.

[Dr. Jet]

I'd love to know how immigrants speaking a different language upsets you so much.

I said nothing about immigrants. I am on a rant about ILLEGAL ALIENS. By the way, illegal aliens are not immigrants in the definition of US law. Immigration is a legal process for foreigners to become citizens.

Guess what man, EVERYONE is different, and has the right to be. Get over it! They also have the right to any friggin kind of culture they want.

They are absolutely entitled to their culture.... In their counrty. Come to our country and respect our culture (or what's left of it).

There are only three things that define a country: Its borders, its language, and its culture. Without borders, language, and culture, there is no France, no Germany, no Slovakia, no Brazil, no Uraguay, no Chile, no.... well, you get the picture.

Try going to some foriegn country and start demanding that they adapt their culture to suit a handfull of Americans illegally living in some isolated enclave and see what happens. Demand multi-culturalism, demand that they have everything in their native language AND English, and see what happens. Then start demanding that said foriegn government pay for your healthcare, give you food stamps, free education, free this and free that, and see what happens.

Just for what it's worth, go research how Mexico treats its southern border with Guatamala. They have an illegal immigration problem there too. Their solution? The Mexican military protects their border and the Guatamalan "immigrants" that survive are detained and deported post haste.

You sound like you are young. You will get to live through the further decline of this once great country into a fractured, third-world socialist hellhole, just like all the other third-world socialist hellholes out there. Go vote yourself some government handouts and welcome all the people that violate our sovereignty. You will get what you deserve.

[AndyKunz]

Choice:

a) Trickle-up misery, or
b) Trickle-down economics

I choose b.

Andy

[Dr. Jet]

Choice:

a) Trickle-up misery, or
b) Trickle-down economics

I choose b.

Andy

Actually Andy, I think the correct terms might be:

a) Trickle-up POVERTY
b) Trickle-down economics

I too, choose b

[domwilson]

You will get to live through the further decline of this once great country into a fractured, third-world socialist hellhole, just like all the other third-world socialist hellholes out there. Go vote yourself some government handouts and welcome all the people that violate our sovereignty. You will get what you deserve.

I've been hearing these theories since the 70's. And yet, we are still the most powerful nation on earth.

[Dr. Jet]

I've been hearing these theories since the 70's. And yet, we are still the most powerful nation on earth.

Not true anymore. Our President bows at the feet of Saudi Kings and apologizes for being an American. Leftist politicians subordinate this country's interests to the interest of "Globalism" and pseudo-science. Two-bit Somalian pirates hold U.S. Citizens for ransom - and get paid (ony one exception to this scenario has occurred that I can recall). The U.S. dollar is worth zip on the world market. We have a sophicasted military, yet no one has the guts to use it for its intended purpose (to break things and kill people in spectacular fashion), instead it is used to keep military contractors in a positive cash-flow situation. Oh yes, what about China?

Yes, in the 70s and 80s, we were the most powerful nation on earth. Ronaldus Magnus told Gorby "Tear down this wall!" and what happened? The wall came down. Do you think Barry Hussein Obama, Nancy "botox" Pelosi, Harry "land swindler" Reid, Barbara "check bouncer" Boxer, Henry "Nostrilitus" Waxman, Barney "I know nothing of a gay prostitution business being run out of my house" Frank, and Maxine "no justice, no peace" Waters have that level of commitment to the strength of this country?

[Dr. Jet]

Imagine for a minute the following scenario: You are at your job; you just got paid and cashed your check. You wallet is full of the hard-earned fruits of your labor. Come quitting time, you walk outside and there I am with two big goons at my side and I demand that you hand over your wallet; otherwise my goons will do something bad to you with no legal repercussions whatsoever. Begrudgingly, you relinquish your wallet and I remove as much cash as I feel appropriate. (I don’t know, how does half of it sound?) Then I tell you that I know better than you how to spend your money and that I am going to give some of it to some crack addicts in “the ‘Hood”, and send the rest in an envelope to some of my buddies in Tierra Del Fuego.

What would you think? Do you think that is the proper thing for me to do? If so, please forward your work address and payday schedule via PM so my “Associates” and I can meet up with you when you get paid (P.S. my “Associates” are “ethnically diverse”, well armed, and skilled in the martial arts if you get my drift…). If you do not think that is a proper thing for me to do, please tell me the difference between what I propose and what the government does.

The government TAKES you money (whether you like it or not), and then spends it according to their priorities because they believe they know better how to spend your money than do you. A big chunk of it goes to support criminals that break our laws, or foreign nationals who have entered this country ILLEGALLY with no intention whatsoever of becoming “Americans” (by “Americans”, I refer specifically to U.S. Citizens, not inhabitants of “the Americas” – North, Central, and South).

Let me know which side of the argument you believe is correct. I look forward to seeing you on payday!

[domwilson]

Like I said, since I became of legal age to vote in the 70's. It's been going on. Nothing has changed...with the exception of one numchuk with a mental disorder and his league of extrordinary henchmen, trying to re-interpret the consititution for us. Not talking Obama there. They raise our taxes each year let's just say..6% per year. Then every 5th year they give us a tax "cut" "break", whatever their term of the day might be,
for 5%. And we are supposed to be eternally greatful? Obama is just a new face on an old problem. The people have lost control of the government that they are supposed to control.

[Dr. Jet]

The people have lost control of the government that they are supposed to control.

Well, at least there are SOME things that we can agree upon.

How and why that came to pass may be subject to debate though....