Captain just ship and can't be saved?

[Steven Vaccaro]

So let me get this straight in my head. Captain Phillips gets loose, jumps in the water and there is no one there to save him or military there to take out the guys on the raft? Could this have anything to do With Hilary stating that this will crisis be solved without a loss of life? We don't want to go upsetting any Somali pirates out there. What happened to "Walk softly and carry a big stick, but know how and when to use the stick". The USA still(probably for not much longer) carries the biggest stick around, but is afraid to use it!

Why even have the military carry weapons any longer? They can't use them without the fair of getting Court Marshalled! Police are afraid to draw their weapons for fair of a law suit. This country is rolling down the hill at a rapid pace.

[Jeff Wohlt]

Total BS is what it is!!

[Fluid]

Instead of ranting about conspiracies and such, perhaps the scenario was thus:

The captain jumps out of the lifeboat and starts swimming towards a US Navy ship.....which is circling hundreds of yards away. The pirates realize he's gone and chase him down in their boat with rifles aimed at him, clearly intending to shoot if fired upon by the military. If you were the captain - what would you want the Navy to do? This isn't a Steven Segal movie guys....people die for real here.


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[Jeff Wohlt]

I am referring to the entire event. This has been going on for years.

They need escorts with fire power.

[Diegoboy]

Here's a song that sums up my feelings, some of you may remember this one, some may not.


Sorry to all my Canadian friends!

[Bill-SOCAL]

I'm sorry, but we are thousands of miles away, with no knowledge of the actual logistics of the situation let alone the factors involved in working a situation like this.

I have been on a boarding party using small craft, and fellows, trust me, it ain't no easy feat. I think what is total BS is second guessing these folks from behind your keyboard in the comfort of your cozy little home.

[RCprince]

Black Water now wants to get into the fray. They get kicked out of Iraq now their trying to get into another conflict, here comes Black Hawk down Part duo.

[domwilson]

Here's a song that sums up my feelings, some of you may remember this one, some may not.


Sorry to all my Canadian friends!

Isn't that Randy Newman - Political Science?

[Diegoboy]

Isn't that Randy Newman - Political Science?

Yes it is!

[domwilson]

Did I win a prize?

[Steven Vaccaro]

I wasn't talking about boarding the boat. That would seem close to impossible without both sides getting killed. But nothing could be done with the Captain in the water and a drifting life raft?

[Bill-SOCAL]

But nothing could be done with the Captain in the water and a drifting life raft?

Apparently not. And I am not prepared to second guess them on that.

[Bill-SOCAL]

Well, finally those idiots over there figured it out:

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/africa...tes/index.html

Too bad they didn't consult the armchair experts, maybe they could have cut this short sooner.

[Jeff Wohlt]

Amazing.... It takes this to finally be able to justify a chance to shoot since the captains chance of living was lowered by 75% when a barrel is to his head.

Bill, why so judgemental? You certainly take your liberty to state your opinions as much as anyone...not that it is any more right than anyone elses... but you seem to think so. Had anyone said they should have snipers take them out you would have had some objection to that as well.

Obviously nobody can know the outcome of a situation like this. I certainly feel these pirates should have suffered for their actions... sudden death is a bit too easy but at least it is final for the bastards. They will not be boarding another ship and maybe this will slow down other thinking about doing it.

I bet I know of at least one family proud of our military and our firepower. Seems freedom and guns do mix.

[Punisher 67]

Nice to see this finally over , would of been very tense knowing your family member could be killed at any time............

[Bill-SOCAL]

Jeff, re-read Steven's first post. I think most of his right wing oriented musings were proven wrong.

As far as carrying weapons, yes, I am very glad that the extremely well trained and well armed Navy SEALs were there with their Barrett sniper rifles (or what ever they used). Please tell me now how that relates to Joe Blow needing an AK-47 in his house.

I also have to say, despite the relatively short range (less than 100 yards, almost an insult to any sniper!!) you have to admire these guys. Three shots, on target from the deck of a rolling ship at a target on another smaller pitching vessel.

[Steven Vaccaro]

Not right wing Bill, its the truth. Befriend police officer and you will find that its a different world than it was just 15-20 years ago.

[Dr. Jet]

Seems freedom and guns do mix.

Indeed!

Now what should we do about the rest of the Muslim pirates that are/were heading to the vicinity to "negeotiate" with their collection of hostages from various countries?

[Diegoboy]

My cousin was a Police officer. He concurs with Steven 100%

[Doug Smock]

I'm glad that the Captain is free and that SOME justice has been served.

[Steven Vaccaro]

I'm glad that the Captain is free and that SOME justice has been served.

[Bill-SOCAL]

Not right wing Bill, its the truth. Befriend police officer and you will find that its a different world than it was just 15-20 years ago.

Well Steven to be perfectly accurate, it is your view and not the "truth". Just because someone thinks something does not make it "The Truth".

My brother is in Iraq. Trust me, he has no fear of using his weapon. Nor do any of his friends according to his reports.

The alleged fear of police officers is overstated. I am very close to several and none have indicated that they are afraid to use their weapon if the situation requires it. For the record my closest friend in life was a police officer for 25 years. My close friend and neighbor is a police officer. My uncle and three cousins were/are police officers in NYC. And another very close friend was a career officer with the Arizona Department of Public Safety (the State Police in AZ). So my opinions here are not drawn from a vacuum. BTW, two of these folks were in officer involved shootings. Both were reviewed according to department policy and shown to be justified shoots.

With regard to the pirates in this case, I think we clearly did carry a big stick and walked softly. We tried other measures but used force when it was needed and in proportion to the situation.

You sudden concern about the Somalia pirates is interesting. I recall no such concern over the last several years when they have been active and gaining boldness. But then at that time you could not use it as a basis for making negative remarks about the Secretary of State or the way the military is used.

But again, this is one issue with most on the Right. You view your position as "The Truth". Period. Sorry, but the truth is never really all that clear cut. And I still disagree with second guessing the situation as a means for attempting to support your view of the truth.

And I am not, and never will say, that you do not have the right to hold those views or to express them. But we all need to be ready and able to defend our views once we do state them.

[Bill-SOCAL]

BTW - this is a very good article. If you read nothing else in it go to the end and read the excerpt from the Navy SEAL creed.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/04/13/gre...als/index.html

I am very glad we have these guys!!

And I just read a detailed account. There were 3 teams who took their shots from concealment on the fantail of the Bainbridge THROUGH the tiny portholes of the life capsule. They were not in what many people have in mind when they hear "lifeboat". This is an enclosed boat with very small windows. Three shots from the deck of a rolling ship through the porthole of a small craft bobbing on tow behind them. I'm impressed!!

Oh, and they got there in a night jump to the small rolling deck of a ship underway!!

[Steven Vaccaro]

With regard to the pirates in this case, I think we clearly did carry a big stick and walked softly. We tried other measures but used force when it was needed and in proportion to the situation.

Bill how would you have felt wadding in the water, after just jumping into it waiting for a rescue? As you are a gun enthusiast you know now easily this could have been a bad story. It only takes a split second to pull the trigger.
Thankfully this story has a happy ending.

You sudden concern about the Somalia pirates is interesting. I recall no such concern over the last several years when they have been active and gaining boldness. But then at that time you could not use it as a basis for making negative remarks about the Secretary of State or the way the military is used.

Thanks for helping me prove my point. This has been going on for years and the US government has done little about it. Bill I don't care about left or right. I think the countries been headed in the wrong direction for a long time. Not just the last 3 months.

[Dr. Jet]

This has been going on for years and the US government has done little about it. Bill I don't care about left or right. I think the countries been headed in the wrong direction for a long time. Not just the last 3 months.

As fanatacical right-wing extremeist I am, the Bush Administration failed big-time on this one as well.

Pirates are not criminals in ther sense of "The Law"; rather they are the enemy of civilized people everywhere and need to be exterminated like the cockroaches they are. They do not need to be in front of a judge and jury.

Kudos to the SEALs for a job well done! Now go get the rest of those cockroaches.

[Doug Smock]

Pirates are not criminals in ther sense of "The Law"; rather they are the enemy of civilized people everywhere and need to be exterminated like the cockroaches they are. They do not need to be in front of a judge and jury.

Kudos to the SEALs for a job well done! Now go get the rest of those cockroaches.

[RCprince]

Where there is smoke there is fire! Somali Pirates are Fighting Against Nuclear Waste and over-fishing. I heard this for years. I know for a fact that the US dumps it's Nuclear Waste in Africa and a lot of third world countries.

[Steven Vaccaro]

Where there is smoke there is fire! Somali Pirates are Fighting Against Nuclear Waste and over-fishing. I heard this for years. I know for a fact that the US dumps it's Nuclear Waste in Africa and a lot of third world countries.

Thanks for sharing that with us. There is always the other side of the story.

[Doby]

Where there is smoke there is fire! Somali Pirates are Fighting Against Nuclear Waste and over-fishing. I heard this for years. I know for a fact that the US dumps it's Nuclear Waste in Africa and a lot of third world countries.

So then why are they not demanding a stop to this instead of just being the money theiving terrorists that they actually are? They are trash, plain and simple.

[RCprince]

So then why are they not demanding a stop to this instead of just being the money theiving terrorists that they actually are? They are trash, plain and simple.

People fight the way they know how to and Since THE UNITED STATES along with China, France, The UK and Ireland along with Russia (Keeping in mind these are 5 permanent members of the Security council, The fox guarding the chicken coop) dumps guns in those regions. They use whats easily accessible. If you knew what your Government did to you, I think you'd have a few more explicit nouns besides trash.


For you Learning Pleasure:

* Project ARTICHOKE
* Project BLUEBIRD
* Project CHATTER
* Project MKDELTA
* Project MKULTRA
* Project MKNAOMI

There are hundreds more! but those should keep you busy if you choose to come out of wonderland.


I'll say it for the Billionth time since we're so familiar with that word, Obama was only selected so the U.S. and it's allies con further it's exploitation of Afrika and it's natural resources.