Replacement UL-1 arrived today....WTF?

**Ub Hauled** · 03-31-2009, 10:40 PM

Originally Posted by skibo2

I feel sorry for all of us that have lost time and money over the UL-1 QC issue but if you really want to feel sorry for people taken to the cleaners over Chinese produced inferior products you should hear what has happened here in Florida with Chinese made dry wall. During the recent hurricanes here in Fl in the past couple of years there was a dry wall shortage for the building industry and the builders purchased shiploads of dry wall from china. Well the product was manufactured with cheap material that did not measure up to spec. for water repellant and mold resistance. Now after two years in the homes the moisture has grown so much mold that the homes and business's are uninhabitable and have to be gutted or completely rebuilt to get rid of the problem and no builders warranty or manufacturers warranty to cover the cost. No insurance either so individuals have to cover repairs themselves with repair costs in the hundred of thousands of dollar ranges. So you think you have a problem? It could be a lot worst.

I like good quality products at an affordable price just like the next guy, but I have to say that just because the product is Chinese, it does not have to necessarily mean that it's inferior quality, it should still meet USA quality standards.
You specified a couple of things here that will be a good example of what I am trying to say. In the UL's case, sure the boat has some issues, most RTRs do, it's done in a "light" manner so it can be affordable as an RTR... it is breaking down, that's for sure, from turn fins to misshaped hulls there are many problems. Now, who's fault is this? Is it the Chinese manufacture that built this hulls in 3 seconds a pop or the company that does not check it's own product out of the assembly line and whips the foreign manufacture into shape or even checks the final product prior of shipment to the customer?
In the case of the homes built post tragedy in FL... sure the dry walls came from China, they had the best price, did anyone check for quality before buying them? One other thing, since I am in the process of buying a house now, I am going through a great learning curve as far as building goes... that being said, are we sure that the contractors followed code and had the stucco screed installed properly? My house inspection said it was installed properly (to old code, no screed). Without the screed, stucco cannot breath properly and get rid of humidity, then generating rot, mold and all sorts of nasty stuff... I am not trying to protect the foreign companies, just making sure that things are seen the way they should be seen (in my book).
There are always 2 sides to the story, it's easy to point out to someone else, but sometimes the problems are inside our own house and it's up to us to keep this sorta inside problem from happening thus making us happy.
Just my 2 cents.

**Doozie870** · 03-31-2009, 10:43 PM

I tried to tell everyone two years ago when the great NW aquacraft rammer was in infancy.. WTF... RTR people are easy come easy go, especially when thier running a POS!

**Ub Hauled** · 03-31-2009, 10:49 PM

Doozie, telling people is all cool, no need to fly of the handles because THEY did not listen...
The bashing does not go anywhere, it's offensive to many...
then again, you can do whatever you feel like, freedom of speech is still in place, I am merely stating my opinion.

**Doozie870** · 03-31-2009, 10:55 PM

Your absolutly right, I apoligize to the NW AQ rammers and thier followers, sorry its a POS.

**Ub Hauled** · 03-31-2009, 10:56 PM

Lol

**H2OCamel** · 03-31-2009, 11:13 PM

Well Not all companies tech support or service is bad. I bought a Novak SS brushless motor speed control packeage for my Rustler many years ago and the magnet came off the shaft after two years of constant abuse by me. when I called them they said it was a manufaturing flaw and had me send it in. they sent me a new one and they sent my Sermos connectors still on the old wire from the previous speed control!! It was out of warranty too and they still made it right! That is customer service! and honesty.

**Ub Hauled** · 03-31-2009, 11:17 PM

You are 100% right, not all are bad... and I am not saying that...
all I am trying to convey is, a little research to figure out where the problem actually is, prior to pointing fingers, goes a long way.

**JimClark** · 03-31-2009, 11:22 PM

The real test to see what kind of a company they are will be to see what they will do for those who have already bought the UL-1 when they get this boat fixed.

jim

**H2OCamel** · 03-31-2009, 11:29 PM

I am a production manager and belive me Q.C. is what I loose sleep over. It can make or break you. I have to listen to customer complaints and find out why there is a problem and was it a one time or ongoing. So I agree with you ubhualed that there should be an investigation and some policy or standards put into place that are enforced. Since I supply big companies like Walmart you bet your tailfeathers they don't tollerate screwups in manufacturing! find the source of the problem and elliminate it if you want to still be in bussiness tomorrow.

**Doug Smock** · 03-31-2009, 11:55 PM

Originally Posted by JimClark

The real test to see what kind of a company they are will be to see what they will do for those who have already bought the UL-1 when they get this boat fixed.

jim

and hope it's soon!

**Ub Hauled** · 04-01-2009, 12:10 AM

I agree with Jim (and others), if they are the company we hope they are, they should take action really soon in this regards (and inform us), if AQ comes to show us that they just care for a quick buck, well... I ain't no guru but I think that we won't be buying from them anymore.

**JimClark** · 04-01-2009, 12:34 AM

i would agree UB if they fail then I would be pissed for sure. Personally I don't like buying the first of anything that is a new product. I bet you that there will be changes on the ProBoat Elam to solve manufacturing problems also.

Jim

Originally Posted by Ub Hauled

I agree with Jim (and others), if they are the company we hope they are, they should take action really soon in this regards (and inform us), if AQ comes to show us that they just care for a quick buck, well... I ain't non guru but I think that we won't be buying from them anymore.

**bustitup** · 04-01-2009, 12:42 AM

Ub

we have no stucco or screed involved with our interior walls here in Florida...all we do is apply dry wall to either wood or metal studs (Drywall is a common building material typically made of a layer of gypsum plaster pressed between two thick sheets of paper, then kiln dried. Drywall is used globally for the finish construction of interior walls and ceilings.) this drywall we got from china should have had some sort of product approval before they where allowed to sell it to us...someone or many pocketed some big coin for allowing it to be sold here before being tested and approved and now the owners of those homes are suffering big time

back on track here..whats happening with aquacrafts denial of liability here is inexcusable..there is no way you should have to pay to send a bad product back to the people that sold it to you...totally unacceptable

Originally Posted by Ub Hauled

I like good quality products at an affordable price just like the next guy, but I have to say that just because the product is Chinese, it does not have to necessarily mean that it's inferior quality, it should still meet USA quality standards.
You specified a couple of things here that will be a good example of what I am trying to say. In the UL's case, sure the boat has some issues, most RTRs do, it's done in a "light" manner so it can be affordable as an RTR... it is breaking down, that's for sure, from turn fins to misshaped hulls there are many problems. Now, who's fault is this? Is it the Chinese manufacture that built this hulls in 3 seconds a pop or the company that does not check it's own product out of the assembly line and whips the foreign manufacture into shape or even checks the final product prior of shipment to the customer?
In the case of the homes built post tragedy in FL... sure the dry walls came from China, they had the best price, did anyone check for quality before buying them? One other thing, since I am in the process of buying a house now, I am going through a great learning curve as far as building goes... that being said, are we sure that the contractors followed code and had the stucco screed installed properly? My house inspection said it was installed properly (to old code, no screed). Without the screed, stucco cannot breath properly and get rid of humidity, then generating rot, mold and all sorts of nasty stuff... I am not trying to protect the foreign companies, just making sure that things are seen the way they should be seen (in my book).
There are always 2 sides to the story, it's easy to point out to someone else, but sometimes the problems are inside our own house and it's up to us to keep this sorta inside problem from happening thus making us happy.
Just my 2 cents.

**Ub Hauled** · 04-01-2009, 05:11 AM

Originally Posted by bustitup

Ub

we have no stucco or screed involved with our interior walls here in Florida...all we do is apply dry wall to either wood or metal studs (Drywall is a common building material typically made of a layer of gypsum plaster pressed between two thick sheets of paper, then kiln dried. Drywall is used globally for the finish construction of interior walls and ceilings.) this drywall we got from china should have had some sort of product approval before they where allowed to sell it to us...someone or many pocketed some big coin for allowing it to be sold here before being tested and approved and now the owners of those homes are suffering big time

back on track here..whats happening with aquacrafts denial of liability here is inexcusable..there is no way you should have to pay to send a bad product back to the people that sold it to you...totally unacceptable

I didn't mean it that literally, I was merely exemplifying what is going with me and project it into this problem... but I think you got the idea.

**Capt. Crash** · 04-01-2009, 08:03 AM

I love my UL-1...the "Miss Duct Tape"

**Steven Vaccaro** · 04-01-2009, 08:17 AM

The one sort of positive to come out of all this trouble is that Grim built a race boat style rtr. What that does is make it easier for the customer to follow the building style and transfer the items to a new hull if need be. Because lets face it, if someone tries to buy everything BUT the hull, it will add up to about the cost of the complete rtr boat.

**longballlumber** · 04-01-2009, 09:13 AM