My TFL Pursuit coming up to speed.

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  • martin
    Fast Electric Addict!
    • Aug 2010
    • 2887

    #31
    I have just checked the cg on my stock Pursuit with an Aquastar 3974-2200kv motor fitted & Seaking 180 esc,the esc is on one side of the boat behind the motor. 2 Gens Ace 3s 5000mah weighing 370g each are in the centre on the stock battery tray ( batteries pulled almost to the motor) & i have 30% cog. If i push the batteries a bit more forward just under the deck i get 32% cog.

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    • MADRCER
      Senior Member
      • Feb 2017
      • 751

      #32
      Originally posted by Turbo Dan-O
      Man, that's crazy to me. So, your boat is around 30% with two batteries that far under the deck? Seems like it would be a snow plow!

      Here's mine at 30% or a little less...
      Keep in mind my Esc is in the back of the boat along with a GPS. I also have a larger and heavier than stock dual pickup rudder on my boat. My 3d printed battery tray has been stragetically placed to and is much lighter than the stock long tray. You have a very large esc and a whopper of a motor upfront in your boat that you have to offset the difference by placing your batteries further back.
      Last edited by MADRCER; 07-26-2018, 10:11 PM.
      TFL Zonda (124mph), Miss Geico Zelos 36 (108mph), Veles 29 (91mph), Zelos Twin 36 (90mph), Miss Geico 29v3 (83.5mph), Sonicwake 36 V2 (83mph), Blackjack 42 (81mph), TFL Pursuit (79mph), UL-19 (75mph), Sonicwake 36 (73mph), Motley Crew (47.5mph), AquaCraft Rescue 17

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      • martin
        Fast Electric Addict!
        • Aug 2010
        • 2887

        #33
        If the cg is a little further forward than 30% with the battery as far back in the centre of the boat as it will go & the bow is a bit low, add a bit of positive to the stinger ( 1 maybe 2 degrees ). Also check the bottom of the hull for any hook @ the rear.

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        • martin
          Fast Electric Addict!
          • Aug 2010
          • 2887

          #34
          MADRCER is your motor mount still in the stock position or have you moved it back towards the transom.

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          • TRUCKPULL
            Fast Electric Addict!
            • Apr 2007
            • 2971

            #35
            I am building a Pursuit

            I have installed a carbon fiber liner in the bottom and up the sides, 19" long.
            I then put a strip of fiberglass tape 1-1/4" wide around the seem between the deck and the hull for extra reinforcement.
            1/8" ply inside the transom.

            I am now ready to install the motor mount.
            In the picture it is not installed yet.
            My question is the cg measurement ( from the outside of the transom forward)that I should end up with.

            This boat will be for the "P" Speck Mono class -racing.

            4S-2P - 5000 packs - 36mm Motor

            Larry
            Attached Files
            Past NAMBA- P Mono -1 Mile Race Record holder
            Past NAMBA- P Sport -1 Mile Race Record holder
            Bump & Grind Racing Props -We Like Em Smooth & Wet

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            • jim82
              Fast Electric Addict!
              • Jan 2013
              • 1358

              #36
              30%= 9.6in. I have a 4070 1650kv I just put in there for the hell of it. Here is inside balanced at 30%.

              IMG_20180715_160317966.jpg

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              • boatsrnew2me
                Senior Member
                • Oct 2016
                • 476

                #37
                heres where mine balances out at 30% ....aka.....about 9.5 inches from transom. when i tried a lipo on the tray up front it was very nose heavy during balance test . even still i managed 55mph .i havent got much more running them on the sides ,although i just made a stinger adjustment ,i have not got to run it yet .hopefully monday .
                but here is where my side mounted lipos balance out at .

                stock motor mount location .leopard 4082 and flycolor 150 mounted up front .x645 prop
                Attached Files
                Last edited by boatsrnew2me; 07-15-2018, 08:57 PM.
                volantex vector pro ,proboat veles 29 , traxxas spartan, hobbyking/tfl pursuit ,ft009 with rescue rigging

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                • MADRCER
                  Senior Member
                  • Feb 2017
                  • 751

                  #38
                  Originally posted by TRUCKPULL
                  I am building a Pursuit

                  I have installed a carbon fiber liner in the bottom and up the sides, 19" long.
                  I then put a strip of fiberglass tape 1-1/4" wide around the seem between the deck and the hull for extra reinforcement.
                  1/8" ply inside the transom.

                  I am now ready to install the motor mount.
                  In the picture it is not installed yet.
                  My question is the cg measurement ( from the outside of the transom forward)that I should end up with.

                  This boat will be for the "P" Speck Mono class -racing.

                  4S-2P - 5000 packs - 36mm Motor

                  Larry
                  9.5 inches from the back of the transom is where you would want to start for race waters. Below is a picture of my boat balanced on a dowel of a magazine rack sitting right at 28% or so (with my batteries up front). I did have two short pieces of pool noodle on each side of the dowel to hold the boat straight up while I took the picture.

                  Screenshot_2018-07-15-20-00-14.jpg Screenshot_2018-07-15-20-12-42.jpg
                  Last edited by MADRCER; 07-15-2018, 09:23 PM. Reason: error and added pictures
                  TFL Zonda (124mph), Miss Geico Zelos 36 (108mph), Veles 29 (91mph), Zelos Twin 36 (90mph), Miss Geico 29v3 (83.5mph), Sonicwake 36 V2 (83mph), Blackjack 42 (81mph), TFL Pursuit (79mph), UL-19 (75mph), Sonicwake 36 (73mph), Motley Crew (47.5mph), AquaCraft Rescue 17

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                  • boatsrnew2me
                    Senior Member
                    • Oct 2016
                    • 476

                    #39
                    Originally posted by MADRCER
                    9.5 inches from the back of the transom is where you would want to start for race waters. Below is a picture of my boat balanced on a dowel of a magazine rack sitting right at 29-30% with my batteries up front. I did have two short pieces of pool noodle on each side of the dowel to hold the boat straight up while I took the picture.

                    [ATTACH=CONFIG]160309[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=CONFIG]160311[/ATTACH]
                    how about that ,mine was front heavy with a 6s up front .hey i got a magazine rack like that in my man basement...lol....just gave me a new idea
                    volantex vector pro ,proboat veles 29 , traxxas spartan, hobbyking/tfl pursuit ,ft009 with rescue rigging

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                    • MADRCER
                      Senior Member
                      • Feb 2017
                      • 751

                      #40
                      Everyone has a rack like that I bet...Lol FYI My math was off that was around 28% still with batteries up front. I do like 30% better for just ripping around.
                      TFL Zonda (124mph), Miss Geico Zelos 36 (108mph), Veles 29 (91mph), Zelos Twin 36 (90mph), Miss Geico 29v3 (83.5mph), Sonicwake 36 V2 (83mph), Blackjack 42 (81mph), TFL Pursuit (79mph), UL-19 (75mph), Sonicwake 36 (73mph), Motley Crew (47.5mph), AquaCraft Rescue 17

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                      • TRUCKPULL
                        Fast Electric Addict!
                        • Apr 2007
                        • 2971

                        #41
                        Originally posted by MADRCER
                        9.5 inches from the back of the transom is where you would want to start for race waters. Below is a picture of my boat balanced on a dowel of a magazine rack sitting right at 28% or so with my batteries up front. I did have two short pieces of pool noodle on each side of the dowel to hold the boat straight up while I took the picture.
                        [ATTACH=CONFIG]160312[/ATTACH]
                        My aim is to have as much weight at the CG or as close as possible.
                        I would to end up with the batteries centered on each side of the motor.
                        I will get all the hardware installed first, then arrange the motor and mount with the batteries, ESC, and radio etc. for the 9.5"

                        Here is a picture of what I would like to end up with. Items are just sitting there, not mounted yet.

                        Larry
                        Attached Files
                        Last edited by TRUCKPULL; 07-16-2018, 12:39 AM.
                        Past NAMBA- P Mono -1 Mile Race Record holder
                        Past NAMBA- P Sport -1 Mile Race Record holder
                        Bump & Grind Racing Props -We Like Em Smooth & Wet

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                        • MADRCER
                          Senior Member
                          • Feb 2017
                          • 751

                          #42
                          Originally posted by TRUCKPULL
                          My aim is to have as much weight at the CG or as close as possible.
                          I would to end up with the batteries centered on each side of the motor.
                          I will get all the hardware installed first, then arrange the motor and mount with the batteries, ESC, and radio etc. for the 9.5"

                          Here is a picture of what I would to end up with. Items are just sitting there, not mounted yet.

                          Larry
                          Looks good. You just using Velcro for mounting your batteries or are you mounting trays?
                          TFL Zonda (124mph), Miss Geico Zelos 36 (108mph), Veles 29 (91mph), Zelos Twin 36 (90mph), Miss Geico 29v3 (83.5mph), Sonicwake 36 V2 (83mph), Blackjack 42 (81mph), TFL Pursuit (79mph), UL-19 (75mph), Sonicwake 36 (73mph), Motley Crew (47.5mph), AquaCraft Rescue 17

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                          • TRUCKPULL
                            Fast Electric Addict!
                            • Apr 2007
                            • 2971

                            #43
                            Originally posted by MADRCER
                            Looks good. You just using Velcro for mounting your batteries or are you mounting trays?
                            I have tried trays once in the past, On this one I may just go with the Velcro and straps epoxied to the hull.

                            Larry
                            Past NAMBA- P Mono -1 Mile Race Record holder
                            Past NAMBA- P Sport -1 Mile Race Record holder
                            Bump & Grind Racing Props -We Like Em Smooth & Wet

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                            • Mike W
                              Senior Member
                              • May 2018
                              • 345

                              #44
                              Originally posted by TRUCKPULL
                              My aim is to have as much weight at the CG or as close as possible.
                              I read somewhere that you actually want the weight distributed as far way from the CG as possible in a boat because it increases stability. Seems counter-intuitive at first but makes sense. Unfortunately it's hard to implement and keep power wires short.
                              Otto RC Marine

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                              • TRUCKPULL
                                Fast Electric Addict!
                                • Apr 2007
                                • 2971

                                #45
                                Does weight forward and aft of the CG NOT make for teeter-totter effect?

                                Larry
                                Past NAMBA- P Mono -1 Mile Race Record holder
                                Past NAMBA- P Sport -1 Mile Race Record holder
                                Bump & Grind Racing Props -We Like Em Smooth & Wet

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