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    Man, that's crazy to me. So, your boat is around 30% with two batteries that far under the deck? Seems like it would be a snow plow!

    Here's mine at 30% or a little less...
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    He said 28% you would need to move your lipos back probably touching your receiver or even a little farther. I want to say last time I ran mine I was at 29% and it ran really well. It all depends on your setup though really
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    I have just checked the cg on my stock Pursuit with an Aquastar 3974-2200kv motor fitted & Seaking 180 esc,the esc is on one side of the boat behind the motor. 2 Gens Ace 3s 5000mah weighing 370g each are in the centre on the stock battery tray ( batteries pulled almost to the motor) & i have 30% cog. If i push the batteries a bit more forward just under the deck i get 32% cog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turbo Dan-O View Post
    Man, that's crazy to me. So, your boat is around 30% with two batteries that far under the deck? Seems like it would be a snow plow!

    Here's mine at 30% or a little less...
    Keep in mind my Esc is in the back of the boat along with a GPS. I also have a larger and heavier than stock dual pickup rudder on my boat. My 3d printed battery tray has been stragetically placed to and is much lighter than the stock long tray. You have a very large esc and a whopper of a motor upfront in your boat that you have to offset the difference by placing your batteries further back. Below is the only pic I have of mine at the moment and you can see the motor and esc placement.
    20180710_212701.jpg

    Quote Originally Posted by martin View Post
    I have just checked the cg on my stock Pursuit with an Aquastar 3974-2200kv motor fitted & Seaking 180 esc,the esc is on one side of the boat behind the motor. 2 Gens Ace 3s 5000mah weighing 370g each are in the centre on the stock battery tray ( batteries pulled almost to the motor) & i have 30% cog. If i push the batteries a bit more forward just under the deck i get 32% cog.
    That sounds like you just explained my boat Martin...

    Quote Originally Posted by jim82 View Post
    He said 28% you would need to move your lipos back probably touching your receiver or even a little farther. I want to say last time I ran mine I was at 29% and it ran really well. It all depends on your setup though really
    Correct..
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    If the cg is a little further forward than 30% with the battery as far back in the centre of the boat as it will go & the bow is a bit low, add a bit of positive to the stinger ( 1 maybe 2 degrees ). Also check the bottom of the hull for any hook @ the rear.

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    MADRCER is your motor mount still in the stock position or have you moved it back towards the transom.

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    It's in the stock position.
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    I am building a Pursuit

    I have installed a carbon fiber liner in the bottom and up the sides, 19" long.
    I then put a strip of fiberglass tape 1-1/4" wide around the seem between the deck and the hull for extra reinforcement.
    1/8" ply inside the transom.

    I am now ready to install the motor mount.
    In the picture it is not installed yet.
    My question is the cg measurement ( from the outside of the transom forward)that I should end up with.

    This boat will be for the "P" Speck Mono class -racing.

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    30%= 9.6in. I have a 4070 1650kv I just put in there for the hell of it. Here is inside balanced at 30%.

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    heres where mine balances out at 30% ....aka.....about 9.5 inches from transom. when i tried a lipo on the tray up front it was very nose heavy during balance test . even still i managed 55mph .i havent got much more running them on the sides ,although i just made a stinger adjustment ,i have not got to run it yet .hopefully monday .
    but here is where my side mounted lipos balance out at .

    stock motor mount location .leopard 4082 and flycolor 150 mounted up front .x645 prop
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    Quote Originally Posted by TRUCKPULL View Post
    I am building a Pursuit

    I have installed a carbon fiber liner in the bottom and up the sides, 19" long.
    I then put a strip of fiberglass tape 1-1/4" wide around the seem between the deck and the hull for extra reinforcement.
    1/8" ply inside the transom.

    I am now ready to install the motor mount.
    In the picture it is not installed yet.
    My question is the cg measurement ( from the outside of the transom forward)that I should end up with.

    This boat will be for the "P" Speck Mono class -racing.

    4S-2P - 5000 packs - 36mm Motor

    Larry
    9.5 inches from the back of the transom is where you would want to start for race waters. Below is a picture of my boat balanced on a dowel of a magazine rack sitting right at 28% or so (with my batteries up front). I did have two short pieces of pool noodle on each side of the dowel to hold the boat straight up while I took the picture.

    Screenshot_2018-07-15-20-00-14.jpg Screenshot_2018-07-15-20-12-42.jpg
    Last edited by MADRCER; 07-15-2018 at 09:23 PM. Reason: error and added pictures
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    Quote Originally Posted by MADRCER View Post
    9.5 inches from the back of the transom is where you would want to start for race waters. Below is a picture of my boat balanced on a dowel of a magazine rack sitting right at 29-30% with my batteries up front. I did have two short pieces of pool noodle on each side of the dowel to hold the boat straight up while I took the picture.

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    how about that ,mine was front heavy with a 6s up front .hey i got a magazine rack like that in my man basement...lol....just gave me a new idea
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    Everyone has a rack like that I bet...Lol FYI My math was off that was around 28% still with batteries up front. I do like 30% better for just ripping around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MADRCER View Post
    9.5 inches from the back of the transom is where you would want to start for race waters. Below is a picture of my boat balanced on a dowel of a magazine rack sitting right at 28% or so with my batteries up front. I did have two short pieces of pool noodle on each side of the dowel to hold the boat straight up while I took the picture.
    Attachment 160312
    My aim is to have as much weight at the CG or as close as possible.
    I would to end up with the batteries centered on each side of the motor.
    I will get all the hardware installed first, then arrange the motor and mount with the batteries, ESC, and radio etc. for the 9.5"

    Here is a picture of what I would like to end up with. Items are just sitting there, not mounted yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TRUCKPULL View Post
    My aim is to have as much weight at the CG or as close as possible.
    I would to end up with the batteries centered on each side of the motor.
    I will get all the hardware installed first, then arrange the motor and mount with the batteries, ESC, and radio etc. for the 9.5"

    Here is a picture of what I would to end up with. Items are just sitting there, not mounted yet.

    Larry
    Looks good. You just using Velcro for mounting your batteries or are you mounting trays?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MADRCER View Post
    Looks good. You just using Velcro for mounting your batteries or are you mounting trays?
    I have tried trays once in the past, On this one I may just go with the Velcro and straps epoxied to the hull.

    Larry
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    Quote Originally Posted by TRUCKPULL View Post
    My aim is to have as much weight at the CG or as close as possible.
    I read somewhere that you actually want the weight distributed as far way from the CG as possible in a boat because it increases stability. Seems counter-intuitive at first but makes sense. Unfortunately it's hard to implement and keep power wires short.

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    Does weight forward and aft of the CG NOT make for teeter-totter effect?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MADRCER View Post
    9.5 inches from the back of the transom is where you would want to start for race waters. Below is a picture of my boat balanced on a dowel of a magazine rack sitting right at 28% or so (with my batteries up front). I did have two short pieces of pool noodle on each side of the dowel to hold the boat straight up while I took the picture.

    Screenshot_2018-07-15-20-00-14.jpg Screenshot_2018-07-15-20-12-42.jpg
    Did you have the stock foam that comes in the boat up front or no foam up there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by martin View Post
    Did you have the stock foam that comes in the boat up front or no foam up there.
    A couple pieces of pool noodle. I trashed the stock foam
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    Wanted to pass this along. Here's one of my "YouTube buddy's" new Pursuit that he just set sail in. Notice the battery and ESC location and how the boat handles, it pulls the nose up nicely (like it should). He takes notes pretty well and he gets his props from the right place, so this boat might be running real strong in the near future... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwJqgqJpp08
    Last edited by MADRCER; 07-16-2018 at 11:29 PM.
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    That’s running well.
    I’m thinking after mine comes back from the body shop I can get 70+ with the castle 2200kv
    5s2p pushed by a m645.
    Short runs only.

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