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  1. #121

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    And what class do we run at the nats?????
    We call ourselves the "Q"

  2. #122

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    Great idea under the circumstances fellas.
    TOY BOAT RACER
    Sponsored by Smock Racing
    IMPBA National Records Director
    IMPBA Dist.13 Director
    IMPBA 19887CD
    NAMBA 1169

  3. #123

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    NAMBA BOD should rescind the rule since it was presented under false pretense- they admitted to never teching any of it in the "trial period".
    Giant Power Team Driver
    - IMPBA Hydro Technical Director - IMPBA District 12 Scale Director -

  4. #124

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    Quote Originally Posted by madmikepags View Post
    And what class do we run at the nats?????
    Which nats Mike? Are you heading down for 2 classes a day for 8 days?

    For our nats up here I've been told under no circumstances are we going to run anything outside of the IMPBA rules. Correct motors and registrations are an absolute must. Drive dog position . What ever is in there.
    glue sniffer

  5. #125

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    Double again. Dang it!

    NOBODY wants that job Brian.
    glue sniffer

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    Quote Originally Posted by don ferrette View Post
    NAMBA BOD should rescind the rule since it was presented under false pretense- they admitted to never teching any of it in the "trial period".
    There aren't 57 scale FE guys but for a minute let's say there are. How do those extra 300 guys that voted for this feel about it now I wonder.
    glue sniffer

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    Quote Originally Posted by T.S.Davis View Post
    There aren't 57 scale FE guys but for a minute let's say there are. How do those extra 300 guys that voted for this feel about it now I wonder.
    I actually voted "yes" on this before this thread even became alive. A case of don't know anything... but figured I'd trust the BODs and those racing the class whom wrote the proposal knew what was best.

    I've had that pushed down my throat lately...
    Have fun with that....

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    TOY BOAT RACER
    Sponsored by Smock Racing
    IMPBA National Records Director
    IMPBA Dist.13 Director
    IMPBA 19887CD
    NAMBA 1169

  9. #129

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    People shouldn't vote on things that have no effect on the classes they run.

  10. #130

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    That's why they by passed Brian.

  11. #131

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doby View Post
    People shouldn't vote on things that have no effect on the classes they run.
    Don't feel that's totally fair. Maybe its on something a person may want to fun in the future.

    Myself... no. I'm just trying to be an evolved participant in the process.

    Funny how many want more participation and votes cast on important issues, but when things don't go the way they want... this is what we start to hear.

    With all that said... I do honestly wish I had waited a little longer to cast my vote. And I do believe this discussion should have been taking place before the rule was sent out for vote...

    But what do I know...? I over talk and over analysis everything.
    See what happens when you don't have people like me involved to analyze and talk about things?

    Okay... that was seriously just a joke. I have to put it out there because it just makes me laugh. But it IS said tongue in cheek.

    But, I'm out of this conversation. I know nothing and will just sit back with my popcorn.
    Have fun with that....

  12. #132

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    It's VERY easy to see how something like this can happen if you read the NAMBA rule regarding the amendment process. Section 7. Unless the process is changed the chance of something like this happening again is 100%.
    TOY BOAT RACER
    Sponsored by Smock Racing
    IMPBA National Records Director
    IMPBA Dist.13 Director
    IMPBA 19887CD
    NAMBA 1169

  13. #133

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    Maybe something good will come out of this mess.
    Brian "Snowman" Buaas
    Team Castle Creations
    NAMBA FE Chairman

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    Quote Originally Posted by raptor347 View Post
    Maybe something good will come out of this mess.
    I'm confident that if it doesn't it won't be for the lack of somebody trying
    TOY BOAT RACER
    Sponsored by Smock Racing
    IMPBA National Records Director
    IMPBA Dist.13 Director
    IMPBA 19887CD
    NAMBA 1169

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug Smock View Post
    It's VERY easy to see how something like this can happen if you read the NAMBA rule regarding the amendment process. Section 7. Unless the process is changed the chance of something like this happening again is 100%.
    Annnndddd he's back! Now your favorite blowhard is posting on I/W about FE limits overall. NAMBA is F'd if they don't adopt some rules to give their BOD some teeth to stop stupid stuff like what just happened and what will continue to happen with those clowns running loose..........
    Giant Power Team Driver
    - IMPBA Hydro Technical Director - IMPBA District 12 Scale Director -

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    Why does anyone care? Who is this Bozo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doby View Post
    Why does anyone care? Who is this Bozo?
    We care because he and a couple others are totally F'n things up in NAMBA. Why care even if we're IMPBA? Well for openers FE 1/8th scale was one of the classes the boats could easily cross over between orgs (yes there were guys running both), rules were virtually the same. Now they've made anything over 8S illegal as well as created limits for Kv, mah, C ratings and even prop size. Not to mention the guy who penned the rule sells the stuff they are now required to run. Let that sink in for a moment...........
    Giant Power Team Driver
    - IMPBA Hydro Technical Director - IMPBA District 12 Scale Director -

  18. #138

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    I get the cross organizational thingy...I'd love to see that as well. I guess I should have just asked the second part of the question.

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    I did some reading on I/W today... The "Electric Rules" thread... Good stuff...

    There was some discussion in there about how IMPBA has mechanisms in place for the BODs to pull rule proposals if they think they are not good while NAMBA does not have that mechanism.

    Brings up two questions:

    1.) How did the NAMBA BODs pull the P-Limited motor proposal a few months back? The one which would have change the current list to the dimensional limits of 37mm x 62mm. I'll assume the answer may be that the individual(s) whom submitted the proposal pulled it, but looking for some clarification.

    2.) I now fully get that the IMPBA BODs had/has the authority to pull any P-Limited/Spec motor proposals they don't like. But what mechanism is in place for the IMPBA BODs to take a P-Limited/Spec motor proposal and set rules for a FE Nationals event without a membership vote? Maybe they're being done as demonstration classes??? I'll assume there will be no IMBPA FE National Titles or anything like that since there is no motor rule in the book. Again... looking for some clarification.
    Have fun with that....

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    This may well spell the end of NAMBA FE east of California. The ease with which the scale rules were floated in is an indication of what could follow. The whole limits for all idea would be easy to pass too. It would stop any cross over racing between orgs.
    glue sniffer

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    Beyond all that... with both P-Limited/Spec and this whole 8th scale thing. The one thing that becomes very apparent is that its literally impossible to set limiting motor/power rules for FE. Everything is impossible to tech with certainty and/or as many feel it's to invasive to pull a motor for weight.

    It seems that the only path forward in both of these situations may be to accept that limits can NOT be done. Maybe it's best to just have open classes with no power limits which will have national titles and/or records. Then we take the P-Limited/Spec along with Limited/Spec 8th and 10th scales and create sub classes which don't have national titles or records. These would be classes with the sole purpose of making it easier for new people to get involved. All P size boats, the 8th scales and 10th scales would have a second "Limited/Spec" class which dictates specific motors. Obvious the list for the 3 different boat sizes would have different motors specified. All other rules for those classes would remain the same.

    The IMPBA FE Director has recently told me that his opinion of the NAMBA P-Limited motor list is that: "it worked". And it did.... until it didn't. It didn't work when people figured out the rules couldn't be tech'd and it now doesn't work since we are looking at future limited motor supply/options.

    Well what if we eliminate one problem by not allowing these classes to hold national titles and/or records? Kinda gets rid of the "can't be tech'd" thing. Who cares??? We're just having fun with toy boats in these classes and helping new guys get things figured out without braking the bank.

    And then we eliminate the other issue with the NAMBA motor list by writing something which allows for change and evolution based on motor supply and maybe a little consideration into what's coming in current RTR boats that fit the boat specs for the class. I wrote something about this in the "(Moved)Another P Limited / Spec motor discussion" post # 124.
    Here's a link to the thread. https://forums.offshoreelectrics.com...scussion/page5


    Anyway... not trying to stir the pot here. After reading I/W today, I see the big picture more than ever and just think there must be a way past all the arguing about rules and things that can't be tech'd. The 8th scale discussion on there makes this all obvious and Darin had a post on there which really broke it down. This stuff just can't be tech'd... But yet we need something as organizations to help bring in and make it easier for new guys. That became apparent by the rational of the 8th scale rule writer who seems to have done this so that new guys know exactly what to buy/run. And he has some support for that thought process that shouldn't just be ignored.

    I hope this post can be taken as a positive and positive steps forward.

    And let's stop talking about the end of NAMBA and whatnot... There's a problem with points on both sides. The answer may be as stated above. Give both sides a place to race. But don't allow the one that can't be tech'd to have national titles or records. Simple and reasonable. IMO
    Have fun with that....

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    "You should have included a rule that required the bearings be lubricated with the souls of dead spiders."...I almost pissed myself when I read this!!!!

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