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    Quote Originally Posted by MADRCER View Post
    I have already told you where to go run up there...The Gulf of Mexico is rough down south also...Lol!
    Yeah, I know where we discussed. However, the bottom line is that it has been windy here. Doesn't matter where you go, wind is wind. My preferred place can have calm water, IF there is no wind. So, between work and wind it has been difficult to run the boats. It may get a bit easier now that I don't have to worry so much about working around kids in the water, like in the summer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vinnyp View Post
    It may get a bit easier now that I don't have to worry so much about working around kids in the water, like in the summer.
    Those are buoys! You should be racing that course
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    Is that what those orange things are, buoys ?? All this time I thought they were water wings!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by vinnyp View Post
    Is that what those orange things are, buoys ?? All this time I thought they were water wings!!
    inflatable buoys.
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    When I get time to break from 6s testing the Veles I got something for the 4s packs that arrived in the mail.. I hope to be to get high 50's with a good setup and this bad boy! Not to mention Swag is always nice as well...Thanks Chris! I also got my replacement servo yesterday from Horizon and they were nice enough to send me s605 which is way better than the s602 which the Veles comes with for the defective one, so they're still on top of their game as well! I made up a jumper wire to run a single 4s pack, if I can get it stuffed in. I don't like to run these jumpers but I want 4s speed numbers without having to buy new 2s packs that I hardly ever use.

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  6. #216

    Default VELES 29 Fast List thread

    I posted a Veles "fast list" thread if anyone is interested in sharing their results.


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    Last edited by MADRCER; 10-06-2017 at 07:18 PM.
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    If you look at Marks Fast list, you will see I finally got this boat to make a few laps. It was running bow high and a bit too unstable. I was not able to stick the throttle. After a couple of laps like that, I was thinking to bring it in to make some adjustments. I slowed to start a left turn back to me, when mid way through the turn, it hooked right, then barrel rolled several times. On recovery, I noticed that the steering servo gears stripped out. Not sure whether the gears stripped out on the turn, causing the unusual right hook, or if the barrel rolls broke the servo. In either case, I was done for the day. Ordered an upgraded servo from Horizon. At least I finally got a few laps in with this boat.

  8. #218

    Default Veles 29 hits 57mph on 4s!!

    I ran the boat today on 4s and got 57mph. More details on the "Veles fast list" thread if anyone is interested. Thanks to Chris for the custom ABC!


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    Nice run , particularly since it was on only 4s. Hope to get to run mine this weekend.

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    Thanks VP! My Revo packs might grab another mph or two but they might not either because the SMC'S Really shined with this 4s setup, but 59-60mph would be some real good numbers on 4s for a stock boat. I'm really liking the SMC packs. The resistance is 0 and 1 in both packs. Also, I want to give you a big THANKS for the strut adjusting gauge as well! It will work great with the Veles. It's always nice for something to show up unexpected! Thanks bud!

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    No problem. Takes a bit of milling to knock that 1/2" block down to .75 mm but if I attempt to mill it from 1/4" the end held in the milling vise tends to flop around. I told you I liked these SMC packs. Cant beat the price either.

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    Nice 4s run! I have a handful of smc packs they're great, have had them going on 2 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MADRCER View Post
    I ran the boat today on 4s and got 57mph. More details on the "Veles fast list" thread if anyone is interested. Thanks to Chris for the custom ABC!


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    There's a member here jpriami that runs in the same location you do I think. Havent seen him on here in a while though, I know he got a 36 zelos when they first hit the shelves. Looks the same and he's from TN


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    Vinny does it again with another cool adjustment tool. FWIW, the strut and mount interface on the Veles is nearly identical to the 29 V3 cats. I use a scribe to etch lines in the strut where it sticks above the horizontal mount at my different settings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mxkid261 View Post
    Nice 4s run! I have a handful of smc packs they're great, have had them going on 2 years.

    There's a member here jpriami that runs in the same location you do I think. Havent seen him on here in a while though, I know he got a 36 zelos when they first hit the shelves. Looks the same and he's from TN
    Thanks!

    Yes, This is one of the lakes that Justin has ran at in the past. I haven't seen or heard of him running at either of the two lakes since the "Geese" runs a year and a half or so ago at the other lake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fweasel View Post
    Vinny does it again with another cool adjustment tool. FWIW, the strut and mount interface on the Veles is nearly identical to the 29 V3 cats. I use a scribe to etch lines in the strut where it sticks above the horizontal mount at my different settings.

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    That's a cool idea. That would make it easy to make changes in the field.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MADRCER View Post
    I ran the boat today on 4s and got 57mph. More details on the "Veles fast list" thread if anyone is interested. Thanks to Chris for the custom ABC!


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    Good run! That's the fastest I've seen on 4s. What size props is that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rafael_Lopez View Post
    Good run! That's the fastest I've seen on 4s. What size props is that?
    Thanks Rafael! That prop was a 1816. I tried to run it pretty hard almost through most of the run to check the temps and they seemed to be held in check. The ESC was 140° and motor 145° so I'm calling it good from my experience with the 3831.
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    Temps are on the border, but if you are not getting smell of epoxy from motor then you're doing OK. From what I have found, the solder will melt off the leads connecting the stater to the 12G wire before the motor burns.

    FYI, manufacturer says 150* is max for each.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rafael_Lopez View Post
    Temps are on the border, but if you are not getting smell of epoxy from motor then you're doing OK. From what I have found, the solder will melt off the leads connecting the stater to the 12G wire before the motor burns.

    FYI, manufacturer says 150* is max for each.
    Good info Rafael Thanks! I'll push it a bit harder since now I know that I'm still under the manufacturers recommended max temps..LOL!
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    The Neo magnets start to de-guass at 160deg F, so you’re just making the motor weaker. This causes it to pull more current, which in turn makes it hotter... I would suggest keeping it below 135, because there is heat soak after the run when the water cooling stops. You can buy motors with high temp magnets, but they are pretty expensive. I think 200 degrees is the hottest that extended temp Neo mags can take...

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    Great information! Thanks Craig. I'm not concerned at all about the ESC temps I have been getting, but if I start seeing above 145° in this particular motor on a clean run from start to finish then I start looking to make changes. I tested my 1815 prop and it is roughly 2mph slower than my 1816 on 4s in this boat with a little lower temps but still near 140° after the same type of run. From my experience over 30-35 runs that most all were in the neighborhood of 140°-145° range performance wise I haven't had the slightest issues at all with the 3831 motors and if I can continue to get fast speed results after multiple runs as I have been able to do even with the slightly higher temps than most are accustomed to seeing out of the traditional RTR motors I will be a very happy customer. Especially since you can sometimes find these motors in the $65.00 range to purchase. If they cost $165.00 each then I would be leaning a little bit more in the direction of propping down...Lol!
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    Those hi temp motors are $300-400! Neu has extended range. I have a question: are you taking these reported temps off a data logger during the run or after the run? If after, these are pretty typical. I have a shore cooler to keep it from heat soaking too high. I found that to be the trick, still allows me to use cheaper Leopard motors and not degrade them on hard runs. I’m not racing, but still the same, I run very hard.

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    My Temps are taken right after the runs.
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    I think it’s about right... My data logger shows the motor temp sky rockets, as I’m idling in... Ive started taking a few cool down laps after really legging it, or should I say fingering it! So you’re seeing max temps, but not while the motor is running. The windings are usually hotter than the magnets, about 10 degrees typical.

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    The Neu equipped Veles 29 gets a podium finish placing 3rd in the NAMBA Nats. Not too bad with virtually no setup time. Great Job Ken!

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    Default A positive for the New Veles.

    On a positive note for the Veles at the Vegas Namba Nationals. Ken Haines was running a Veles equipped with a Neu motor and was having some issues with the handling/turning of the boat and due to the boat being brand new to Ken and all the classes he was running test time was limited. Ken and I chatted and I suggested a few things that would help him to get the boat dialed in better. Ken made those adjustments but he had already added a small skeg to try and help it turn better, but the skeg he added created a straighaway problem that Ken did not indentify until after the 2nd unsuccesful heat. Before heat 3 and 4 the small skeg was removed that was suggested from a fellow racer (like he was using on his Skater) and in the last 2 heats the boat was stellar and the word on the street was that it was the best boat in the field. But unfortunately for Ken those first 2 DNF's allowed him to only to recover to a 3rd place overall finish. Stlll all in all a very good showing for Pro Boats new release! Good job to Rafael on this one and again to Ken for another great finish!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MADRCER View Post
    On a positive note for the Veles at the Vegas Namba Nationals. Ken Haines was running a Veles equipped with a Neu motor and was having some issues with the handling/turning of the boat and due to the boat being brand new to Ken and all the classes he was running test time was limited. Ken and I chatted and I suggested a few things that would help him to get the boat dialed in better. Ken made those adjustments but he had already added a small skeg to try and help it turn better, but the skeg he added created a straighaway problem that Ken did not indentify until after the 2nd unsuccesful heat. Before heat 3 and 4 the small skeg was removed that was suggested from a fellow racer (like he was using on his Skater) and in the last 2 heats the boat was stellar and the word on the street was that it was the best boat in the field. But unfortunately for Ken those first 2 DNF's allowed him to only to recover to a 3rd place overall finish. Stlll all in all a very good showing for Pro Boats new release! Good job to Rafael on this one and again to Ken for another great finish!
    Thanks for the update. This is very good news with very useful information.

    I think the take away here is that wheel time along with tuning for one's personal driving style is key, and it doesn't need add-ons like, like a skeg, to get the boat to perform well . Great job and big thanks to Ken for taking this box stock boat (other than motor) and throwing it on the water in such a big race. I have no doubt that if he'd have had more time to tune it and get used to the boat he's have taken first.
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