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  • TRUCKPULL
    Fast Electric Addict!
    • Apr 2007
    • 2971

    #31
    Terry

    The club in Florida that is a NAMBA club that is running the Can Size rule set, the same as your club.
    West Florida Model Boat Club
    You can find the conversation on their Facebook page.

    The person with the boats in question is a distributor for Lehner.

    Larry
    Past NAMBA- P Mono -1 Mile Race Record holder
    Past NAMBA- P Sport -1 Mile Race Record holder
    Bump & Grind Racing Props -We Like Em Smooth & Wet

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    • photohoward1
      Fast Electric Addict!
      • Mar 2009
      • 1610

      #32
      Originally posted by TRUCKPULL
      About the 62mm X 36mm rule
      Do these motors fit the rule?? ( the bearing sticks out 1.5mm out the front of the can, but the can is 36mm X62mm)


      Click on more images to see the*!**measurements.*!**

      One of the guys in Florida is running one and blowing the rest of them away, and the rest of the guys in the club are quitting the stock classes because they refuse to spend $300.00 US on a stock class motor.

      Maybe a $ limit is in order??
      Double price of a TP is $160.00 USD

      Larry
      Do what most other racing organizations do. Unfair advantage just BAN IT! Lose one guy instead of a bunch. or Just some how limit them. less prop or add weight. Most forms of racing penalize somehow when someone has an advantage. I do still want to see it. The TP Motors are pretty good. Set-up and Balance is the key.

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      • HRC
        Senior Member
        • Jan 2008
        • 328

        #33
        Good point Howard. There seems to always be one or two that make waves (no pun intended) It is our club that Larry made reference to. West Florida Model Boat Club. I have submitted a club rule to consider for LSO class of motor size limited to 36 X 62.2 mm and price cap of $100. This should keep the playing field on an even keel. It would be a shame to see the LSO class die in our club as there are a lot of LSO boat owners here.

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        • dethow
          Wired Racing
          • Oct 2014
          • 1500

          #34
          I still feel we should have gone with the 37mm x 61mm limit which would have ruled out the Lehner with a built-in fan.

          End of the day... I really hope we don't go down the road of putting a price limit in our rules.

          As Terry knows, I am changing out my motors to Neu 1412s. These are supposed to be 36.5mm x 61mm per spec drawings, however per Steve Neu they have been putting the 1412s in a 1415 can which measures 68.6mm long. On special request basis with a quantity of 5 or more order, Steve is willing to get them into the proper can. I ordered some and he actually ended up fitting them into a 56mm long can. These cost $230 each and are available in several different winds which include: 3D/1650kv, 1.5Y/1850kv, and 2.5D/2050kv.

          My goal is dependability and longevity. I’m not looking to push the limits of these motors. I want to be competitive with the TPs that are being pushed to their limits without having to worry about spending $80 to replace blown motors 2 or 3 times a season. That's over my 3 boats, not 2 or 3 motors in each boat.
          And I do accept that I'm still a newbie and probably blow out more motors then those more experienced with setting up a boat properly. But from my standpoint as a newer guy... I'm sick of spending so much on motors while trying to get my boats competitive. It's frustrating an expensive. I propose that a higher priced motor will actually be the better method for new people to get involved and be competitive without spending hours upon hours at the pond and/or spending more on replacement motors.

          With that said... I know their will be some that want to push and limits. I just hope they don't ruin it for those of use who want to spend the money for dependability.
          Last edited by dethow; 03-23-2017, 11:38 PM.
          Have fun with that....

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          • T.S.Davis
            Fast Electric Addict!
            • Oct 2009
            • 6221

            #35
            You know what's odd to me? I've had more trouble with my open P setups this past year than I have with my old limited boats. 2 broken or battered 1527. Go figure. Very few failures for Ty and I in limited. I baked a TP 2070 in AZ but that was because I forgot that it was the 2070 in the boat. I was supposed to swap it out for the 1950 and forgot. Too much going on. Then I prop'd up like I had a 1950 and fr'shizzled it.

            I'm really anxious to see all these motors running together in truth.
            We have.......
            TP's of various winds
            Neu's of various winds
            Lehners of various winds.
            AQ 2030's
            AQ1800's
            PB 1500's

            That 1500 is still a beast of a motor by the way. We raced some in AZ. The 1500's were every bit as fast as our TP motors and in some cases faster. Ray's Whip is crazy fast.

            The Lehner is a killer motor but there is a reason some of us went to Neu back in 2008 or so for heat racing. There is no way around the torque factor on the small motors. When you get into the giant 30 series motors with lots of rotating mass it's a bit different. Again, we'll see.

            I have to remember to put together a spreadsheet for our club races to see what's winning. I could keep track of each heat.
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            • macomb
              Member
              • Apr 2015
              • 53

              #36
              Lehner 1930
              Attached Files

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              • longballlumber
                Fast Electric Addict!
                • Apr 2007
                • 3132

                #37
                Originally posted by macomb
                Lehner 1930

                Can I see your ISO quality audit paperwork certifying your calipers as an acceptable measuring device? LOL. JK

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                • Shooter
                  Team Mojo
                  • Jun 2009
                  • 2558

                  #38
                  I'll be running my AQ2030's until they blow!

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                  • TRUCKPULL
                    Fast Electric Addict!
                    • Apr 2007
                    • 2971

                    #39
                    The NAMBA club in Florida just changed there rule set for Spec classes on SUN.
                    Dia - 36.3mm
                    Length 61.2mm
                    For this year max $100.00

                    Larry
                    Past NAMBA- P Mono -1 Mile Race Record holder
                    Past NAMBA- P Sport -1 Mile Race Record holder
                    Bump & Grind Racing Props -We Like Em Smooth & Wet

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                    • T.S.Davis
                      Fast Electric Addict!
                      • Oct 2009
                      • 6221

                      #40
                      Begs some questions Larry...

                      How many races have they run with the new spec? I mean, its March. How many races can there have been? Is the Lehner winning every heat? Every spec class? Sounded like just LSO. I can't find their race results but I didn't look super hard either. So maybe 2 races. 2 flights maybe x 3 rounds x 2 races is maybe 12 heats. Lehner won them all? So much so that guys are quitting the class over one guy winning?

                      I read their FB thread a little. Reads like one guy was getting 58 on the GPS and they pulled the plug. 58 down the straight doesn't always equate to wins. Sounds like I'm being ultra critical. I don't mean to be like that. Just seems premature to me from the outside looking in. We'll run it all summer before we pull the plug. We have 5 classes running the size limit to glean information from. Should be 180+ heats without the Cup to gather information from.

                      I also saw on there where Stancomb was trying desperately to point out that his motor was legal for NAMBA. He likely will meet the production requirements for inclusion but that is just the requirements that allow a CD to deem it legal for a single event. Doesn't make it NAMBA legal. Means "the CD has the discretion to allow the following......." Blahblahblah. That's what the rule was for. Since Dave wrote it and I proposed it I can tell you that was the intent. In case I never mentioned it before. I think we blew it. Hind sight.

                      So technically for NAMBA, the new Promarine motor would need to be proposed, voted on, and passed to get added to the list. Once that happens it would be accepted as "legal" at every venue. Not just where a CD's allowed it. Sucks but that's the law.....so to speak.

                      With this new approach he won't have to do any of that horse bleep. Neither will anyone else that spits out a new offering. If it fits it's legal. That's the idea. You've all heard this before. haha

                      A max MSRP may/might/could well be part of our future on these but I'll reserve judgment on that until we've had more time with it. I really appreciate our gang (and other...gangs?) taking the chance on it both with their efforts and in some cases their wallets. Experimenting with custom wind Neu's, high end Lehners, and a bushel basket of TP winds is pricey experimenting. That part also sucks.
                      Noisy person

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                      • dethow
                        Wired Racing
                        • Oct 2014
                        • 1500

                        #41
                        Besides what Terry went through there...
                        Were any Neu motors evaluated? Were any Lehner without the built-in fan evaluated?
                        Why block out other motors because one showed signs of dominance?
                        First thing they could have done was reduce size limit to 37mm x 61mm to get rid of the Lehner 1930 with built-in fan.
                        Then if the 36mm x 54mm Lehner 1930 was still showing dominance they could block it with a $250 USD price limit.

                        But I agree with Terry on needing more racing data. And maybe this person just found the sweet spot for that boat and it'd still dominate with another similar wind motor.
                        Have fun with that....

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                        • TRUCKPULL
                          Fast Electric Addict!
                          • Apr 2007
                          • 2971

                          #42
                          Originally posted by dethow
                          On special request basis with a quantity of 5 or more order, Steve is willing to get them into the proper can. .
                          David
                          How does this make it a readily available motor??

                          If I wanted one motor, I need to buy 5 motors????

                          Larry
                          Past NAMBA- P Mono -1 Mile Race Record holder
                          Past NAMBA- P Sport -1 Mile Race Record holder
                          Bump & Grind Racing Props -We Like Em Smooth & Wet

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                          • dethow
                            Wired Racing
                            • Oct 2014
                            • 1500

                            #43
                            Larry,
                            I agree with you on a right now basis.

                            Steve needs to start putting the 1412 motors in their proper can which is shown within his own spec drawings at 36.5mm x 61.0mm. I think that if more people start requesting him to do that he will probably just start making all 1412s that way.

                            But I will remind you that there is nothing in the MMEU rule that says it has to be readily available. Nor does it even say it has to be a production motor. One could go ahead and have a complete custom motor with custom wind made as long as it’s in a can no larger thn 37mm x 62mm.

                            But as of right now I’d recommend going in on a group purchase or we need to convince OSE to get some stock of the 1412s in their proper cans.
                            Have fun with that....

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                            • TRUCKPULL
                              Fast Electric Addict!
                              • Apr 2007
                              • 2971

                              #44
                              I do not think that you are going to get Steven (OSE) to stock something that may be illegal, if a $ limit is put in place.

                              Larry
                              Past NAMBA- P Mono -1 Mile Race Record holder
                              Past NAMBA- P Sport -1 Mile Race Record holder
                              Bump & Grind Racing Props -We Like Em Smooth & Wet

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                              • T.S.Davis
                                Fast Electric Addict!
                                • Oct 2009
                                • 6221

                                #45
                                Whose dollar limit Larry? There isn't one. You guys have already jumped the shark.

                                Just so there isn't any confusion on this size thing. We don't care if you buy a can from TP and fill it with your own winding. You could dig up an old Aveox 1412/1.5y, chop the sensor wires, saw the can in half, glue it to half of a Hacker can and fill it with saw dust n' boogers. We don't care. 37mmx62mm is legal.

                                Hmmm Wonder how long an old Aveox 36/30/1.5 is. That could actually work.
                                Noisy person

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