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    Default Forward Thinking Cyberstorm P-Ltd Mono

    Steve wanted something more substantial than his previous RtR mono which proved less than durable. I sent him an Insane34 P-Mono that ripped. Next, to compete with some forward thinking racers in a mythical kingdom where they dare to allow a wider selection of "spec" motors, this TP Powered P-Ltd Mono should get him on the podium

    First, a transom doubler of birch ply to reinforce the stock doubler apparantly made of Meunster cheese
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    Big and strong Speedmaster stinger & dual pickup tapered rudder - before and after shortening stinger & raising/trimming rudder
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    tapered tabs & nice racewater-ready turn fins
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    TP Power 3630 in CF mount supplemented by "mini-rails" providing much more bonding surface than with mount alone
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    Leo cooling jacket just fits, comes with large fittings (and required mount to be notched)
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    Birch ply battery platforms & ESC mounting thingie
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    OSE Raider 150A ESC - tucks right in & lots'a bang for the buck
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    Boat will run 4S2P so integral parallel adapters permanently soldered on ESC
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    predetermined layout + long battery trays allow CG tuning . Trial balancing worked out using Super Hi-Tech CG-O-Meter thumbup1:


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    Steve has some cool graphics planned to finish off the hull and should kick some on the racecourse with this Forward Thinking Cyberstorm

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    Tony
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    Tony, in case on one has told you lately... you ROCK!

    Love ya, Bro!! See you in November??
    Darin E. Jordan - Renton, WA
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darin Jordan View Post
    Tony, in case on one has told you lately... you ROCK!

    Love ya, Bro!! See you in November??

    Yowzah !!
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    Very nice Tony. Love the color too of course!
    32" carbon rivercat single 4s 102mph, 27” mini Rivercat 92mph, kbb34 91mph, jessej micro cat(too fast) was

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    Nice work!

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    Very clean, very pro as always. Glad to sub your thread.
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    Plan on setting up my next mono exactly the same, clean as always sir!
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    Looks great. Think I will have to get that rudder for my DF 29. What does cutting the blade shorter help achieve? Also, what setback is that bracket? Thanks

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    Less rudder = more speed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mxkid261 View Post
    Looks great. Think I will have to get that rudder for my DF 29. What does cutting the blade shorter help achieve? Also, what setback is that bracket? Thanks
    Ray's correct. Plus, the longer the rudder, the more effect it has on the running attitude (as in pulling the nose down).

    The Speedmaster rudder I used for the Cyberstorm is likely to end up being too large for the DF 29. It's huge, heavy and designed for much larger nitro or gasser hulls. Not only is it long, but quite thick. To shorten it's penetration I not only trimmed the bottom shorter, but modded the upper mounting location by cutting some of the top of the blade away and re-drilling the bolt holes to raise it up :

    stock blade mounting location:
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    raised mounting location:
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    I does look quite thick now that you mention it. I was planning on using the speedmaster 21 rudder but I wish they had a dual pickup version

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    Looks good Tony. The transom material is called core-mat, much better to reinforce sides and deck than transom.

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    Gotta talk to you about the angle on ur tutnfins��

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    Quote Originally Posted by rayzerdesigns View Post
    Gotta talk to you about the angle on ur tutnfins��
    The angle was derived from the position of Steve Martin's hands at the end of the vid:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1Hr9VPnMNc

    The fins were mocked up for the picture, removed for shipping. Customer will adjust as needed. But thanks
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    Forgot to add: "That ain't no Prius"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tamelesstgr View Post
    Forgot to add: "That ain't no Prius"
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    What kv of TP POWER motor did this run on?

    What motors are NAMBA & IMPBA approved these days, I'm confused. I know the PB & AQ are still in there.

    Will TP shorten the recent can or will it not matter?
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    What kv of TP POWER motor did this run on?

    Answered (1970 KV)

    What motors are NAMBA & IMPBA approved these days, I'm confused. I know the PB & AQ are still in there.

    Ray, It's been pouring/flooding here in SoCal and I'll answer only because I'm suffering from cabin fever AND because anytime I start talking about "approved motors" I seem to get flamed for stepping on my [word redacted] so I'll answer only under suspicion of being in a purple haze of rainy-day temporary insanity :

    I don't know about IMPBA; perhaps Mr. Smock could chime in

    The NAMBA rulz for P-Ltd Specifies this :

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    This ruleset is MANDATORY for National Records and FE National Point events.

    Now here's where it can get "fuzzy" : In general, District racing series or "local" events generally adhere to this ruleset to keep a level playing field for all entrants BUT can make exceptions if they want : e.g. the Dynamite PB 2000KV motor (stock motor for the latest BJ29), while not on the list may be allowed at local Club level (as in SCSTA Legg Lake series) just to create a larger choice for new entrants.

    Now This : Some daring, radical revolutionary futurists (probably descendants of those forward thinking rebels who dared to revolt from the Crown back in the 1770's) have proposed (and in some top secret locations and possibly disguised as a band of touring yodel-dancers) began allowing for any P-Ltd any inrunner no bigger around than 36.3 mm and longer than 61.2mm.

    I built Steve's boat to race with a Club consisting of these forward thinkers.

    Will TP shorten the recent can or will it not matter?


    [it might matter to the mindset that required me to sand .0625 " off the sponson tips of my Cheetah to meet the 34" max length requirement during record 2-lap trials.
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    Thanks Tony. I hope the rain stops but, you guys need the water!! lol... Take care.

    You see, I can get a nice PB DYNM3835 A3630-1500Kv 6-pole for $54 + shipping to Canukistan but a TP will cost me a bit more. I just don't want to go to Michigan or Rochester and have someone get bent that I have a long TP power motor however if the quality is better I'd rather invest in that??

    Whatever. I'll just run the PB motors and leave it at that. Even if I bought a TP motor the Michigan guys would never send me packing away, they're pretty cool.

    Lets wait and hear from the Winter Warm ups to see if motors were any factor in the racing weekend.

    One more Q:

    How did you determine trim tab placement? I have those tabs and I want to use them possibly on my Cyberstorm.

    I also have a larger set. Sometimes I like to build a mono that can convert from Limited power to full P power. I did it on my DF33 and it works well.

    Still on the fence to build it full P power or do it like this for spec racing.... Can't decide...
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    Ray,

    I'm of the school of thought that tabs are most called upon at full boogie in a straight line when the hull is fairly aired out (high in the water) so I like tabs to be close to the keel line BUT with the caveat that the prop does best with unobstructed water coming at it minus the effect of the tabs.
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    O.k. thx
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    Ray,

    Somehow in a re-edit this answer got left out :

    Will TP shorten the recent can

    TP Power is aware of the issue with the longer can not meeting the PPPP (PotentiallyPossiblyProposedP-LT) situation and I've been advised that future shipments of the winds of interest to P-Ltd folks will be back in the shorter cans that meet the PPPP. FWIW the longer can D-Wind and one Y-Wind 3630 of interest to boaters have the SAME length stator and rotor as the shorter can versions.
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    How thick of a transom doubler did you use? I'm about to slap one together for P-limited.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ray schrauwen View Post
    How thick of a transom doubler did you use? I'm about to slap one together for P-limited.

    Ray,

    I use 3/32" birch ply from the LHS.
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    Thx for the reply. Checking my wood stocks...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ray schrauwen View Post
    Thx for the reply. Checking my wood stocks...
    Send me your address (again)

    I'll make one & send it to you.

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    Ignore the hole; just for storage

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