Spread the "Wealth"

[Darin Jordan]

You really think Palin is suited for executive leadership...

Actually... yes I do... She has more executive experience that the other three candidates combined... Clinton didn't have experience beyond being a Governer... Either did Reagan... or Bush... or any number of other presidents...

It's rediculous to try to make that argument when the person you are arguing in favour of has absolutely NO exective, business, foreign, or any other kind of experience that would qualify him for the position. NONE! Hillary had more credentials for the job than O does...

[ghostofpf1]

I always find it amusing that Bill Clinton is nearly always brought up in some form or another in these types of discussions. He must have been a helluva president to stick in your craws this long
Darin:Those other guys had a lot more going for them than a soccer mom from Wasilla Alaska just based on her demeanor and what little substance she's actually shown us.I for one don't see her standing behind the desk at the Oval Office making the hard decisions.Maybe a good puppet like we already have but she doesn't come off to me as a independant thinker which is what the President should really be IMHO.

Ghost

[Darin Jordan]

Maybe a good puppet like we already have but she doesn't come off to me as a independant thinker which is what the President should really be IMHO.

Not as good a "puppet" as your guy I imagine... You think these are all HIS ideas?? I'll give you this... he's the perfect Democratic mouthpiece... Apparently that's important to some...

On records and actions... I'll stick with my team... They don't have to be polished to be accomplished... or to have "substance"... Actions speak louder than words, after all... and they actually have actions to reflect on...

November 4th can't get here soon enough. I'm dying to see what this big "test" of the most inexperienced candidate in presidential election history is going to be, if he gets elected.....

[Steven Vaccaro]

I fear the "test", than will fear even more the response. It will probably look something like this

[Bill-SOCAL]

Good point Steven. The GOP really are the tough guys. Let's review. 7 years later Osama bin Laden still stalks the Earth, Taliban on the come back trail in Afghanistan, 4,100+ American dead in Iraq (600,000+ dead non-combatant Iraqi's) with Al Qaeda with a new found strong hold and recruiting tool.

I feel so much safer.

Bottom line. I had friends who died in 9/11, my brother was in the building across the street and could have been killed and GW BS'd us about how he was "Gonna Git him, Dead or Alive". And yet bin Laden is still alive a free to work his terror against us. So the tough guy approach appears not to have been too successful in my view of things.

BTW - I have a brother in Iraq now, so everyone can spare me the "support the troops" BS. You can support the troops and not the mission and still be a patriot. And as a veteran I am always amused when those who never served question that.

[Steven Vaccaro]

Sorry to hear about your friends Bill. I had one also.

IMO 8 years of Clinton taking blind pot shots in the middle east lead to a weaker America. Sure the economy was tremendous during Clinton terms . Companies that should have had stocks in the $20 where selling at 5-10 times that . How long did we think that was going to last? BUT in the end 7 years after 911 there still has not been another attack on American soil. I do feel safe knowing that.

I agree that Palin said some stupid things. But come on. Imagine if Bidin was the VP of a Major company and said "well this company is going to face a major crisis in 4 months and you the stockholder will not like how our company is going to handle the situation!". He would be looking for a new job the next day.

[Darin Jordan]

I agree that Palin said some stupid things. But come on. Imagine if Bidin was the VP of a Major company and said "well this company is going to face a major crisis in 4 months and you the stockholder will not like how our company is going to handle the situation!". He would be looking for a new job the next day.

To add to that... All we every HEAR about are the "stupid" things she's said... the coverage is so biased that we only hear the bad from the McCain campaign, and things like Bidon's rant just get sluffed off and not pursued or even investigated for factual content... Sluffed off along with other things like radical associations, voting records, etc...

If McCain manages to win in this media environment, he truely will be an Hero...

If fact.... him being so close, despite having less than 90-million to spend on his ENTIRE CAMPAIGN, compared to 150-million that O received just last month alone says alot about what it takes to get the Liberal agenda into power...

If they get elected... Here is another little tidbit that we all have to look forward to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairness_doctrine Except that Obama had dodged that one too... instead supporting "Network Neutrality" legislation... so basically just renaming it...

His recent comments about Foxnews clearly show that silencing these critics is on him mind...

[Bill-SOCAL]

OK, you win. It's Clinton's fault. What isn't??

[Darin Jordan]

OK, you win. It's Clinton's fault. What isn't??

I haven't researched all the string of events leading up to 9/11 at this point, but from a financial standpoint, I'm actually blaming the current crisis on Lyndon Johnson (HUD), then Carter (Community Reinvestment Act), and then Clinton (Bigger Community Reinvestment Act), and then Barney Frank, Mr. Dodd, Pelosi, Franklin Raines, Richard Syron, the Democratic led banking finance committee, all those Democrats who fought against all attempts to reign in Fannie and Freddie, etc... who all decided to play "affirmative action" with our mortgage system, at the taxpayers risk and expense... so there is plenty of blame to go around...

[Steven Vaccaro]

OK, you win. It's Clinton's fault. What isn't??

I don't blame everything on Clinton. When was the last time you heard a Dem say Clinton, Carter or for that matter any Dem caused a problem. It seems the blame only goes in one direction all the time. I just wanted to make sure everyone knows there is enough abuse and corruption to spread the blame around to both parties.

I truly believe that no matter who I pick for president, it will not be good for anyone in the end. Only if I vote for my guy it may just be a bit slower.


I'm growing quite tired of voting for the lesser evil. So I will be writing in my president this time around. Joe the plumber is that man. You heard it here first! Joe Wurzelbacher for President.
And that is the truth!

[Spot Me 2]

Hey, good news. The latest AP poll has the race about even.

http://news.aol.com/elections/articl...683x1200728573

[AndyKunz]

Darin,

When I was much younger, the polls had Reagan trailing dreadfully in the polls.

He won by a landslide, no matter what measure you use.

There's only 1 poll that really counts, and it's less than 2 weeks away. Until then, you can discount anything the AP or other media says.

BTW, did you notice it was AP-GfK that did the poll? GfK is a German group - I used to work for a company that developed their TV-watching stuff (not too different from early Nielsen). I guess ACORN is now trying to sign up European voters for 11/4...

Andy

[Darin Jordan]

I guess ACORN is now trying to sign up European voters for 11/4...

Andy

Andy... we've been instructed.... errrr... I mean "informed" by the media that we can ignore those associations that O has... They aren't important and just take away "from the issues"...

Other than those that he'll admit to... he doesn't have any ties to Acorn... and never has... ummm... well... now might have had some.... whoops... worked for them for awhile....... darn.... Nope.... doesn't have any ties there at all...

[ghostofpf1]

Seems Obama isn't the only one who has rubbed shoulders with that commie organization....

ACORN Responds to Senator McCain’s Desperate Attack
October 15, 2008


On Wednesday, Oct. 15, ACORN National President Maude Hurd issued the following statement in response to Senator John McCain’s attack:

"We appreciate Senator McCain's effort to stir up the Republican base by attacking a community organization working to increase public participation in our democratic process. However, these attacks reflect an increasingly panicked candidate. Unfortunately, the Senator McCain we saw tonight is very different than the Senator McCain who stood shoulder to shoulder with ACORN at a February 20, 2006 immigration reform event.

It is clear for us to see that John McCain was for ACORN before he was against ACORN; he was for reform before he was against reform; and he was a maverick before he became erratic. What is really going on here is that Senator McCain and his allies are part of a coordinated effort to engage in what appears to be an unprecedented effort to suppress voter turnout. Repeating a lie doesn't make it true, and the McCain campaign has resorted to the worst type of deceptions in regards to ACORN."

The Facts:


ACORN has helped 1.3 million citizens from all parties and all walks of life apply for voter registration.
In most states, ACORN is required by law to turn in every voter registration card - even in cases where the cards are not valid.
It is ACORN that has reported almost all of the issues regarding voter registration cards to elections officials, and flagged the suspicious cards.
Invalid voter registration cards do NOT constitute voter fraud. Even RNC General Counsel Sean Cairncross has recently acknowledged he is not aware of a single improper vote cast as a result of bad cards submitted in the course of an organized voter registration effort.
ACORN hired 13,000 field workers to register people to vote. In any endeavor of this size, some people will engage in inappropriate conduct. ACORN has a zero tolerance policy and terminated any field workers caught engaging in questionable activity. At the end of the day, as ACORN is paying these people to register voters, it is ACORN that is defrauded.


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Ghost

[Steven Vaccaro]

The Facts:


ACORN has helped 1.3 million citizens from all parties and all walks of life apply for voter registration.
In most states, ACORN is required by law to turn in every voter registration card - even in cases where the cards are not valid.
It is ACORN that has reported almost all of the issues regarding voter registration cards to elections officials, and flagged the suspicious cards.
Invalid voter registration cards do NOT constitute voter fraud. Even RNC General Counsel Sean Cairncross has recently acknowledged he is not aware of a single improper vote cast as a result of bad cards submitted in the course of an organized voter registration effort.
ACORN hired 13,000 field workers to register people to vote. In any endeavor of this size, some people will engage in inappropriate conduct. ACORN has a zero tolerance policy and terminated any field workers caught engaging in questionable activity. At the end of the day, as ACORN is paying these people to register voters, it is ACORN that is defrauded.


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Ghost

Now that I know that, I feel a hell of a lot better.
Another fact. Acorn is "supposed" to be an unbiased group. That's why they get OUR tax dollars to run THEIR organization.

How do you explain Acorns leaders trying to rally the troops for Obama in Acorn speeches?

[Dr. Jet]

I'm growing quite tired of voting for the lesser evil. So I will be writing in my president this time around. Joe the plumber is that man. You heard it here first! Joe Wurzelbacher for President.
And that is the truth!

I think the last time I voted FOR a candidate, it was Ronald Reagan in 1980. Since then, I have only been able to vote AGAINST a candidate.

Joe sounds like somebody I could vote FOR.



Bill,

Your guy will most likely win. The media is doing it's best to make that a reality. They make "Tass" and "Pravda" look fair and balanced in comparison. The only satisfaction I will get will be four years later when I get to say "See, I told you so."

Fortunately, my job involves projects that take decades to design an build, so short-term financial ups and downs don't impact me as much as when I was in the residential market. I just hope I can hang in there for the next four years. I just wonder what your guy will do to the Supreme Court and the lasting impact that will have on this country. Remember, the majority of the "hot bed" issues affecting this country (abortion, affirmative action, gay marriage, illegal alien's rights, and the like) have been forced down our throats by the courts, not a referrendum of the people.

Replublicrats and Demicans, they're all the same now. When was the last time your representative did something on YOUR behalf as opposed to a lobbyist's position? I think we have had taxation without representation since the time Kennedy (a tax-cutting President) was assinated. The people are too disorganized and complacent to rise up against an ever-growing, all-powerful, oppressive government. And those on the Left think giving the government MORE power is "change" for the good.

Welcome to the USSA. We're all going to get screwed no matter what the outcome. Our only choice is whether we get kissed or slapped in the process.

[Bill-SOCAL]

Stop it Ghost!! Facts are NOT what we want to hear. Sean and Rush and Savage all say this is terrible and Obama is a bad man. It MUST be true.

BTW - want to hear something ironic? Here in SOCAL they arrested a guy who owns a similar company that pays people to get registration cards. He was arrested for FRAUD because he was fraudulently getting people to register as Republicans by making them think they were signing a petition against child molestation. He fraudulently registered himself using an invalid address so he could operate in California too.

Funny, I have not heard a peep out of Rush or Sean about this. Imagine the hysteria they would exhibit if everything was the same EXCEPT the party he was fraudulently signing people up for.

And you all are all upset that Obama served on a non-profit board with Ayers but apparently seem to care less that Palin's hubby was a member of the Alaska succesionist party and even spoke to their convention as Governor and praised their work. Nope, it's all good, they're with the GOP so no worries.

Now imagine that Michelle Obama did the same thing and compare the difference in response.

[Dr. Jet]

Now imagine that Michelle Obama did the same thing and compare the difference in response.

All I heard from the media was a deafening silence.

[Darin Jordan]

Stop it Ghost!! Facts are NOT what we want to hear. Sean and Rush and Savage all say this is terrible and Obama is a bad man. It MUST be true.

What did Bidon just say??? "If it walks like a duck, and talks like a duck...".... WAY too many "associations" for them not to spell out a pattern... You have to have been spiking your kool-aide to just ignore this stuff and "believe" what the rest of the media is telling you that you should ignore...

He was arrested for FRAUD because he was fraudulently getting people to register as Republicans by making them think they were signing a petition against child molestation. He fraudulently registered himself using an invalid address so he could operate in California too.

Was he a NATIONAL organization, receiving TAXPAY $$$ to do what he was doing??? 20-MILLION DOLLARS was in the first "bailout" package for ACORN... THREE pages of bull... er... I mean bill, with the economy on the brink of collapse (supposedly), and they (the DEMOCRATIC AUTHORS) took the time to pad the pockets of ACORN!??? REALLY???

One rouge guy out there is not suprising... I'm sure there are more... But it hardly is worthy of comparison to the HUGE organization that is ACORN...

And I think we've all been guilty of supporting things that we later find out more info about and can no longer support... (Length Limits??? NiMH vs Lipos??? ) The basic premise that the "media" portrays of the mission for ACORN is one that I think we can all support... But what they actually are doing in practice, and their deeper charter of what they are working to accomplish, is quite a bit different, and less agreeable than what the "media" puts forth... McCain standing with them in 2006 does NOT translate into McCain agreeing with them in 2008... He's spoken out against them... Has Obama??

[AndyKunz]

And you all are all upset that Obama served on a non-profit board with Ayers but apparently seem to care less that Palin's hubby was a member of the Alaska succesionist party and even spoke to their convention as Governor and praised their work.

Um, some of us still support secession. I wouldn't mind seeing NJ split into 3 states (it really is already in practice but only 1 section's votes count - the Dem's section of course), and I know that a lot of Northern California would LOVE to eliminate the Southern portion of the state. Secession of counties is really not that much different from secession of states (BTW, Alaska has no counties).

According to the Constitution of the United States, unless a right is explicitly granted to the Congress, that right remains with the individual states. There was no clause in the Constitution giving the Congress the right to declare war on states exercising their reserved right to secede.

But remember, it was the Democrats who seceded. It's really not a Republican/Democrat issue, sorry dude.

Texas is the only state whose Constitution was accepted by the Congress with the explicit right to secede. Since the US Constitution has nothing to say about it to the contrary, all states have the implied right.

Andy

[Flying Scotsman]

Good point Steven. The GOP really are the tough guys. Let's review. 7 years later Osama bin Laden still stalks the Earth, Taliban on the come back trail in Afghanistan, 4,100+ American dead in Iraq (600,000+ dead non-combatant Iraqi's) with Al Qaeda with a new found strong hold and recruiting tool.

I feel so much safer.

Bottom line. I had friends who died in 9/11, my brother was in the building across the street and could have been killed and GW BS'd us about how he was "Gonna Git him, Dead or Alive". And yet bin Laden is still alive a free to work his terror against us. So the tough guy approach appears not to have been too successful in my view of things.

BTW - I have a brother in Iraq now, so everyone can spare me the "support the troops" BS. You can support the troops and not the mission and still be a patriot. And as a veteran I am always amused when those who never served question that.

From an outsiders point of view and with 2 nephews in Irag and Afganistan Afganistan was required...Irag????
Douggie

[Darin Jordan]

For those of you who keep questioning Palin's "experience" and credentials... Here a little something you won't read, at least not outside of the out-of-context BS that CNN pulled from it yesterday, on most "media" outlets. If you want to know some of what she has accomplished, in detail, this is a good article to read:

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q...cyNmEzYTM5N2E=

[Flying Scotsman]

Darin, as the Devils Advocate, if she was on the other side..what would you state.

Douggie

[Darin Jordan]

Darin, as the Devils Advocate, if she was on the other side..what would you state.

Douggie

That's somewhat of a loaded question... but I would do exactly what I'm doing now... I'd look at their history and track records and then compare that to what they are saying and make a judgement from there...

I'm thinking we need a big change as well, but I have my opinions on what that change needs to look like, and making this a Socialist country is not the change I'm looking for.

I think we need to get back to some basics and become a powerful nation again... not just another in the fold. Our public schools are a perfect example of what happens when you work to the lowest common denominator... you get a group of averages and very few "over-achievers"... Our math and science and reading test scores prove it...

I'm willing to work much harder than that to be MUCH better than that...

Think about a handicapping system in boat racing... Let's use the upcoming All-Star shootout as an example.... If someone practices and practices and practices... learns their boat... figures out what it needs... really works to learn how to drive it... Should we add lead to his boat to slow it down so someone who perhaps just showed up can compete??

Sorry, but that's just not how I think things should work. You want to beat me... then work harder than me... have more talent than me... practice more than me... I'm willing to give you advice (the "hand up"), but I'm not going to take away from my own program to just allow you to win ("hand out")...

Sarah Palin, despite how the press is trying to destroy here, is a legitimate politician and has real accomplishments to her credit. You may not like how she speaks or her beliefs, but that doesn't mean she's not qualified. As I said before, you don't have to be a "polished" speaker to be qualified to be vice-President, or President for that matter. Well... perhaps that's good enough for some...

The bottom line is that at it's core, I don't subscribe to the direction the Democrats have shown they want to take this country. It's been proven not to work, it's been shown not to work, it doesn't make sense for business, it doesn't make sense for families, and it's not a sustainable plan... Capitalism, with an appropriate amount of controls and oversight, works...

And, quite frankly, I believe in God and Country and America, and I don't feel that many on the left share that love of country.

Sorry for the ramble... but you did ask...

[ghostofpf1]

And, quite frankly, I believe in God and Country and America, and I don't feel that many on the left share that love of country.

What a complete and utter load of hogwash....

Ghost

[Dr. Jet]

And, quite frankly, I believe in God and Country and America, and I don't feel that many on the left share that love of country.

So let me get this straight..... If one man feels that a group gives him a particular impression that you disagree with, his feelings are complete and utter hogwash, and that your feelings are the only ones with merit?

I'm not entirely certain which side is spewing the hogwash.

I wish I lived in a country that had more people like Darin.

[JimClark]

Oh boy check this out to see what we are in for
http://www.usnews.com/blogs/capital-...01k-plans.html

Jim

[Darin Jordan]

Oh boy check this out to see what we are in for
http://www.usnews.com/blogs/capital-...01k-plans.html

Jim

Yup... I read and heard about that today... GREAT IDEA...

Just another example of the way things may be heading...

I'd love to hear all those Obama supporters out there explain to us how this would be good for me?? Anyone???

[AndyKunz]

Actually, I consider the press' anti-Palin stand as a very high compliment. It tells me they don't like what she stands for, and since I like what a lot of the mainstream press stands against, she might be worth considering.

Andy

[Darin Jordan]

Back on topic... More "Funny's"...


Just received this memo:


As of November 5, 2008, when President Obama is officially elected into office, our company will instill a few new policies which are in keeping with his new, inspiring issues of change and fairness:

1. All salespeople will be pooling their sales and bonuses into a common pool that will be divided equally between all of you. This will serve to give those of you who are underachieving a “fair shake.”

2. All low level workers will be pooling their wages, including overtime, into a common pool, dividing it equally amongst yourselves. This will help those who are “too busy for overtime” to reap the rewards from those who have more spare time and can work extra hours.


3. All top management will now be referred to as “the government.” We will not participate in this “pooling” experience because the law doesn't apply to us.


4. The “government” will give eloquent speeches to all employees every week, encouraging it's workers to continue to work hard “for the good of all.”


5. The employees will be thrilled with these new policies because it's “good to spread the wealth.” Those of you who have underachieved will finally get an opportunity; those of you who have worked hard and had success will feel more “patriotic.”


6. The last few people who were hired should clean out their desks. Don't feel bad, though, because President Obama will give you free healthcare, free handouts, free oil for heating your home, free foodstamps, and he'll let you stay in your home for as long as you want even if you can't pay your mortgage. If you appeal directly to our democratic congress, you might even get a free flatscreen TV and a coupon for free haircuts (shouldn't all Americans be entitled to nice looking hair?) !!!