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Thread: The official 36" zelos twin modding thread

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    I’ve used the 3/16” liner on a metric shaft before. But if you’re concerned about sizing, why not change the stuffing tube and flex to an SAE size? I’ve eventually have done that on all my boats, when the flex cable gets worn.

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    Proboat does not sell the stock liners separate from the flex cables. I recall one of the European members here searching for an identical size replacement and he found something, but I can't find that post. If your replacement fits too loosely in brass stuffing tube, you can shim it with a small lengths of brass tube one size smaller that what's installed in the hull already. I've also wrapped liners with teflon plumbers tape to get a tighter fit.
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    why run a liner at all ? I don't think anyone runs one at my pond.
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    The Zelos is finally back in one piece. It's been on and off the work bench all winter. I tore it down at the end of last season to reinforce the hull around the seams at the rear of the boat. Since the hull was basically bare after the inlay work, I kept going. I filled the rudder stand-off with epoxy and chopped carbon and installed blind nuts for the rudder mount. Two deck stringers up front made from carbon plate. New push and twist hatch locks. New Dynamite Fuze motors (rebranded Castle 1515) and MBP wire drive collets. I had to grind the motor mounts to create a little clearance because the new collets are so huge. Two new Turnigy 180A ESC's w/ Castle 6.5mm connectors and a custom carbon power switch mount. I re-ran all wiring and cooling lines and zip-tied all suspect hose barb fittings. I also filed a little more angle into the leading edges of the water pick-ups underneath.

    I had plans to blueprint the rear two ride pads, but I need to be done with this boat and finish up all of my other projects first. I may put at least a layer or two of fiberglass cloth on the underside of the hatch since that doesn't require a complete dismantle to accomplish. Between crappy weather, family, and a lingering injury, there's been no time to to run any boats this year. Maybe tomorrow...

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    Pics of the water inlets and finished interior

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    Quote Originally Posted by fweasel View Post
    Pics of the water inlets and finished interior

    2018-06-02 14.27.40-1.jpg 2018-06-02 14.26.57.jpg 2018-06-02 14.32.02.jpg
    Looks good. Are the wires from all 4 of your battery wires going to reach from the under the front deck? Because you have the ESC wired for series already eliminating the extra length you can would normally get from the separate series adapters.
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    Very nice work! Wouldn’t it be awesome if someone made a carbon center plate for the batteries and servo?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fweasel View Post
    The Zelos is finally back in one piece. It's been on and off the work bench all winter. I tore it down at the end of last season to reinforce the hull around the seams at the rear of the boat. Since the hull was basically bare after the inlay work, I kept going. I filled the rudder stand-off with epoxy and chopped carbon and installed blind nuts for the rudder mount. Two deck stringers up front made from carbon plate. New push and twist hatch locks. New Dynamite Fuze motors and MBP wire drive collets. I had to grind the motor mounts to create a little clearance because the new collets are so huge. Two new Turnigy 180A ESC's w/ Castle 6.5mm connectors and a custom carbon power switch mount. I re-ran all wiring and cooling lines and zip-tied all suspect hose barb fittings. I also filed a little more angle into the leading edges of the water pick-ups underneath.

    I had plans to blueprint the rear two ride pads, but I need to be done with this boat and finish up all of my other projects first. I may put at least a layer or two of fiberglass cloth on the underside of the hatch since that doesn't require a complete dismantle to accomplish. Between crappy weather, family, and a lingering injury, there's been no time to to run any boats this year. Maybe tomorrow...

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    Curious to see how those Dynamite motors work on 6s in this boat
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brushless55 View Post
    Curious to see how those Dynamite motors work on 6s in this boat
    That was Rafael Lopez's set up. He got 93mph.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MADRCER View Post
    That was Rafael Lopez's set up. He got 93mph.
    Not aware of this, I know he used the pro boat 1650kv motors for his record setup
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brushless55 View Post
    Not aware of this, I know he used the pro boat 1650kv motors for his record setup
    You mean his old Record. Dino's boat built by Chris got 95.9mph with TP powerplants. The Dynamite part number for the motors Rafael ran 93mph with was DYNS1630 and they are 2200kv. Below is a link to them.
    https://www.amainhobbies.com/dynamit...ns1630/p450523

    More info on speeds are here as well.
    https://forums.offshoreelectrics.com...elos+fast+list
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    I would love to see his run with those Dynamite motors.
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    Confused about ABC 1715 props.

    Hi Guys I have being testing my new ABC 1715 props but boat keep flipping over around 90 Km/h. Before I run whit CNC 45 mm 1,4 picth. And the boat run 115 Km/h whit struts set at 2 mm. And it ran solid whit no flips. 1,st test whit ABC I set struts at 2 mm but it keep flipping over. Then I put struts down to 0 mm it still keep flipping over around 90 km/t.
    The last test I did the boat flip really bad and hit the bottom of the lake in the low section and destroy the hull.

    Do you guys think it can be repaired I dont have much experience whit fiber work a new hull Is out of stock in EU and will not stock before 26-07-2018. And US shipping is not and option because hull is to big.

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    If I remember rightly when some of the ABC props were used on some cats they gave less lift @ the rear allowing the bow to rise & blow over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by martin View Post
    If I remember rightly when some of the ABC props were used on some cats they gave less lift @ the rear allowing the bow to rise & blow over.
    correct on the higher * props you want to go faster it requires additional adjustments just like anything else !!!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dasboata View Post
    correct on the higher * props you want to go faster it requires additional adjustments just like anything else !!!!!!!!
    Im not sure what you mean. so far I lean that there are no lift or high lift props. But only adjustment options I have Is struts angle and batteri placement . So far nothing helps.

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    With the ABC props, the struts should be below "0" about 1.5mm to 2mm Not above"0"

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    Quote Originally Posted by TRUCKPULL View Post
    With the ABC props, the struts should be below "0" about 1.5mm to 2mm Not above"0"

    Larry
    So Larry stock setting is 4 mm above zero. So what your saying is I should try 1,5 to 2 mm below zero. ? is that because the ABC prop have no lift like the CNC props have ??

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    The ABC have less lift an a lot more thrust.

    With that much thrust at the water line, it pushes the bow up and over.
    That is why you have to point the struts down, Then the thrust is pushing the rear end up a little, thus holding the bow down.

    Larry
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    Quote Originally Posted by prepered View Post
    So Larry stock setting is 4 mm above zero. So what your saying is I should try 1,5 to 2 mm below zero. ? is that because the ABC prop have no lift like the CNC props have ??
    Somebody correct me if I’m wrong. The way I read the manual is the 4mm stock setting is parallel, or neutral or zero (whatever you want to call it). So to go 1.5 to 2mm Down or negative you would set the strut at 2.5mm or 2mm

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    Quote Originally Posted by REDLINE1 View Post
    Somebody correct me if I’m wrong. The way I read the manual is the 4mm stock setting is parallel, or neutral or zero (whatever you want to call it). So to go 1.5 to 2mm Down or negative you would set the strut at 2.5mm or 2mm
    The 4mm above zero setting is where ProBoat has determined would be a good starting point with the stock props. Changing to a set of ABC or other props, would mean making adjustments to the center of gravity and or strut heights. That 4mm setting ProBoat recommends is not zero. Look at page 8 in the zelos instruction manual. That picture will explain things better than I can with words. I don't run my struts below zero. But, not everyones set up will be the same. What works for me may not work for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dasboata View Post
    correct on the higher * props you want to go faster it requires additional adjustments just like anything else !!!!!!!!
    true that...

    Quote Originally Posted by prepered View Post
    So Larry stock setting is 4 mm above zero. So what your saying is I should try 1,5 to 2 mm below zero. ? is that because the ABC prop have no lift like the CNC props have ??
    FYI 4MM up from the bottom sponsons, measuring with your straight edge from the mid point of the second ride pad is 0° or some call "Neutral" which means your struts are parallel and on the same plane with your sponsons. You go up (positive) or down (negative) from the 0° neutral setting. My boat loves the abc props...well... I love the abc props on it...

    Quote Originally Posted by vinnyp View Post
    The 4mm above zero setting is where ProBoat has determined would be a good starting point with the stock props. Changing to a set of ABC or other props, would mean making adjustments to the center of gravity and or strut heights. That 4mm setting ProBoat recommends is not zero. Look at page 8 in the zelos instruction manual. That picture will explain things better than I can with words. I don't run my struts below zero. But, not everyones set up will be the same. What works for me may not work for you.
    Vinny you are incorrect. 0° Is considered neutral or on the same plane as the ride pads for this boat, which is 4MM above the sponsons.
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    Mark,
    yes I agree with you. The 4mm setting is 0* to the pads. I was referring to 0 mm being negative trim.

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    Hi guys Thank for all the info.

    The ABC props I cannot keep the bow down. When its picking up speed and I keep the throttle down it flip all the time even whit struts at 0 mm and 4x3 3s pushed all the way forward.
    So really can't find out what im doing wrong.
    Whit the TFL CNC 45 mm props and struts set to 2 mm its running perfect. So guess the ABC 1715 is just a bad choice of props for this boat.

    The Video is whit CNC 45 mm props.

    https://youtu.be/Ybyv5yZGrK4

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    Quote Originally Posted by prepered View Post
    So guess the ABC 1715 is just a bad choice of props for this boat. [/url]
    Your balance or strut settings are off if it's flipping on decent water. Here is a video of my Zelos running ABC 1715 props.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKIl5o-dUvo

    Last edited by MADRCER; 06-12-2018 at 10:40 AM. Reason: added video
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    Quote Originally Posted by MADRCER View Post
    Your balance or strut settings are off if it's flipping on decent water. Here is a video of my Zelos running ABC 1715 props.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKIl5o-dUvo

    MADRCER nice video and absolute awesome speed. What are your strut setting your setup looks completely the same as mine. except mine keeping blowing over

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    Quote Originally Posted by prepered View Post
    MADRCER nice video and absolute awesome speed. What are your strut setting your setup looks completely the same as mine. except mine keeping blowing over
    Thanks! The 1715's aren't my fastest props but they aren't too shabby. My settings change depending on what type of water I'm running on and my battery setup for that day. When I just want to have fun with the boat, generally I have around a 3mm gap or so between my setup board and my strut. But if I want to chase "gps numbers" I raise them up more. Some believe in adding more weight up front but I like to get decent speeds and still have a stable maneuverable boat, so I like to steer away from that method. Just make small adjustments (along with notes) until you find your sweet spot. Good luck with it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MADRCER View Post
    Thanks! The 1715's aren't my fastest props but they aren't too shabby. My settings change depending on what type of water I'm running on and my battery setup for that day. When I just want to have fun with the boat, generally I have around a 3mm gap or so between my setup board and my strut. But if I want to chase "gps numbers" I raise them up more. Some believe in adding more weight up front but I like to get decent speeds and still have a stable maneuverable boat, so I like to steer away from that method. Just make small adjustments (along with notes) until you find your sweet spot. Good luck with it!
    Why don't you try adding an airdam on your various cats, these work great in holding the boat down & preventing blowovers. Allowing you to use adjustments for speed increases ie c/g & strut settings that would normally blow the boat over in certain conditions @ high speeds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by martin View Post
    Why don't you try adding an airdam on your various cats, these work great in holding the boat down & preventing blowovers. Allowing you to use adjustments for speed increases ie c/g & strut settings that would normally blow the boat over in certain conditions @ high speeds.
    I like airdams Martin and I've tried a couple different versions and they seem to work good for the most part but I have always ran my fastest speeds without one, so I really don't put that on my "must do" list before a run. They seem work better in race type waters when you are getting more bow lift from other boats wakes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MADRCER View Post
    I like airdams Martin and I've tried a couple different versions and they seem to work good for the most part but I have always ran my fastest speeds without one, so I really don't put that on my "must do" list before a run. They seem work better in race type waters when you are getting more bow lift from other boats wakes.
    I know when Travis was settng up his 26" Minicat he was getting up to around 84mph I believe but was having to manage the throttle & not able to hold full throttle to long because of blowovers. He fitted an airdam ( carbon rod ) & went up to around 92mph with the boat running flatter & planted.

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