So this is what hes going to do if he gets in

[Dr. Jet]

I'm with you Steve, and don't get me started on the invasion of the army of Mexican Nationals (i.e. ILLEGAL aliens). Do you know that illegal aliens comprise one out of three imprisoned felons in this country? I refuse to call them "immigrants"; that title is reserved for those who have earned it. I would like to see the USA enact the exact same measures on OUR southern border as Mexico has on their southern border with Guatemala. The touchy-feely people here would call it savage and brutal at best.

I saw the recent video of some kid being "tortured" at Gitmo. Give me a break. Sergeant Joe Friday did far worse on "Dragnet". Personally, I think we should pound bamboo shoots under their fingernails, water board them, then cut their heads off with a dull, rusty knife, then bury the body with some of Farmer John's left-over pork by-products. A couple of those, and the remainder will sing like canaries.

Remember what General Pershing did to the muslums in the Phillipines? These cockroaches have no respect for "tolerant" people. Tolerance to them is weakness. They only fear the fearless. We need General George Patton running the military, not a bunch of Harvard MBAs.

As far as Iraq goes, it is far safer than California. The media will NEVER publish any good news from the region. They have an agenda, and good news does not fit it. I'll try to find a letter from a returning service man I read the other day, and post it.

[avengersteve]

yeah, my cusin just got back from iraq not too long ago, she had tonns of pictures of people waving ol glory and signs with mispelled english that said thank you usa. you will never see that on tv. I am sick and tired of calling 411 and getting for spanisg oprima numora ocho... if i go to germany there is no.. for english press8

[Dr. Jet]

As long as we are going on a political vein in this thread, here is an article I copied (and edited grammar and punctuation) that affects almost everyone who is working toward retirement:

Windfall Tax on Retirement Income

Adding a tax to your retirement is simply another way of saying to the American people, you're so stupid that we're going to keep doing this until we drain every cent from you. That's what the Speaker of the House is saying. Read below...............

Nancy Pelosi wants a Windfall Tax on Retirement Income. In other words, to tax what you have made by investing toward your retirement. You aren't going to believe this.

Madam speaker Nancy Pelosi wants to put a Windfall Tax on all stock market profits (including Retirement fund, 401K and Mutual Funds)! Alas, it is true – all to help the 12 Million Illegal Immigrants and other unemployed Minorities! (which to her represents 12 million Democrat votes purchased).

This woman is frightening.
She quotes..."We need to work toward the goal of equalizing income (didn't Marx say something like this?), in our country and at the same time limiting the amount the rich can invest."(I am not rich, are you?)

When asked how these new tax dollars would be spent, she replied:
"We need to raise the standard of living of our poor, unemployed, and minorities. For example, we have an estimated 12 million illegal immigrants in our country who need our help along with millions of unemployed minorities. Stock market windfall profits taxes could go a long way to guarantee these people the standard of living they would like to have as 'Americans'." (Read that quote again and again and let it sink in. "Lower your retirement; give it to others who have not worked as you have for it", so they can live like Americans even though they are NOT.

Send it on to your friends. I just did!! This lady is out of her mind and she is the Speaker of the House! Imagine a Democrat House and a Democrat White House and kiss your hard work good bye.

Is this the kind of change we can expect from Barrak Hussein Obama?

Now I would like to touch base on another important tax issue. Conservatives would like every day to be July 4th. Liberals would like every day to be April 15th.

Liberals use class envy as a tool to gain power. It is all about income redistribution. Take it from those that work, and give it to those that don’t. Tax the EVIL rich they say. Who are the rich? As far as the tax code goes, the rich are not the people that are sitting on a pile of money; they are the people EARNING a pile of money. Talk to rich people that EARN a lot of money. Most of them WORK VERY HARD for it. Only INCOME is taxed. Ted Kennedy is sitting on a pile of money that is not taxed. Only the earned interest on that money is taxed.

In the eyes of the law, a corporation is the same as a person (for tax purposes). That means that corporations are taxed as a “rich” person. Sock it to those EVIL rich people, after all, they only create jobs for jobs for “the working people” (yes, I know some monopolistic corporations like the oil industry are out of control, but that is another discussion). Do you know if you taxed only the “rich” at 100% and nobody else, the government would have enough money to run for a couple of days? And if you did tax the rich at 100%, how long would they continue to work and earn money? No my friends, the bulk of the money in this country is in the hands of the average working stiff. And that is where the liberals go to get it. Look at your paycheck stub and focus on your gross pay. Then look at your net pay. How would you feel if you received 100% of your pay every two weeks, only to be forced to write the government a check for the difference every two weeks? What nation in the history of the planet has ever taxed itself into prosperity?

Class envy is insidious and downright evil. Why should it matter to you what the other guy pays in taxes? Does taxing a rich guy improve your lot in life one iota? If the government took all of Bill Gates’ money, how would that improve your situation? At least Bill Gates creates jobs. Think about it. Who fixes all the computers that crash and give you the blue screen of death? IT guys don’t do it for free.

Here’s another interesting tidbit. Liberals talk about how to “pay” for a tax cut. This is based on the false assumption that the economy is stagnant. This is not the case. Putting more money in the hands of the people means they either buy more or save more. Buying more creates more jobs, which creates more taxpayers. Saving more makes more money for bank to lend for people to buy cars, houses, and other large-ticket items, or for business capitalization. This also creates jobs. Truman cut taxes, Kennedy cut taxes, Reagan cut taxes, and Bush cut taxes. Each time, government revenues went up beyond expectations. Tax cuts “pay” for themselves. Taxing an activity reduces that activity, and raising taxes results in reduced government revenues. The truth of the matter is that liberals know this. They aren’t interested in “paying” for tax cuts; they are interested in making you dependant on them for the necessities of life. If they take all you have, you will have to go to them for your needs.

One candidate (the devil I don’t know) says he wants to rescind the evil Bush tax cuts, so we can “help the poor”. That sounds like he is saying “I have what it takes to take what you have”. At least the other guy (the devil I know) may be less intrusive on my wallet.

Nearly two and a half centuries ago, a bunch of men that were fed up with outrageously high taxes dressed up as Indians (that would be native-Americans for you PC types), clandestinely boarded a British ship in the dark of night, and threw a bunch of tea into the harbor in protest of these exorbitant and excessive taxes.

“Taxation without representation!” they exclaimed. This started a revolution, overthrowing a distant and disconnected government in favor of a system of self-reliance, self-determination, and self-government. Witness the birth of a new nation. Today, the only real representation we get is through political lobbyists that have the ear of our “representatives”. When was the last time you Senator or Representative sat down with you and listened to your point of view? Did any of your representatives get your approval when they allowed increasing the amount of money going to Sub-Saharan Africa for AIDS programs from 15 billion dollars to 48 billion dollars? Most of this money will wind up in the hands of corrupt tribal leaders and government officials. Very little of this money will go where it does any good. Do you think they considered your views in this matter, or just those of the lobbyists when they agreed to send YOUR money to Africa?

When you combine Local, State, and Federal income taxes, sales taxes, gas taxes, telephone taxes, excise taxes, government fees (another form of taxes with a different name), and all the other various and sundry taxes, we pay well over 50% of our income to the government. In California, 1/3 of the cost of a new home is government fees of one sort or another.

Liberals (these can be Republicans as well as Democrats), think you need to pay more to the government. They think they have the ability to spend your money more wisely than you. Furthermore, if you become dependent on them for the necessities of life, you will vote for the ones that offer you the most benefits. Hence the ever-increasing amount of “programs” and government dependency. How many trillions have we spent on the “War on Poverty” with complete failure? Nobody ever discusses the failure of programs, when they ask for more funding. How many times have you heard: “All we need is another $25 billion to make the program work.”? Government is not the solution, it is the problem. We are heading into an election where our choices are a spineless socialist, or an outright Marxist. One small consolation: I’m relieved to know it will not be the power-hungry communist woman.

50% taxation is the norm. If John McCain gets elected, it may only go to 60%. If Barrak Hussein Obama gets elected, hold on to your wallets folks, it’s going to be frightening. Think Union of Soviet Socialist Republics: You work for the State, they don't pay you, they give you what they think you need. "From each according to his ability; to each according to his needs" sounds like his plan for change.

Does anybody know what the horribly outrageous and unreasonable tax rate was on that tea that was thrown into the Boston Harbor? I do. It was 3%.

I wonder if those Patriots of old had any idea how far this country would go into the toilet?

[Dr. Jet]

I posted something very interesting in my gallery. How many of you know how and why Francis Scott Key came to write our National Anthem? I'm willing to bet that not one of you can answer that correctly.

I dare you to listen to this: http://gallery.offshoreelectrics.com...up&cat=0&pos=0

This man, Francis Scott Key, and those who are the subject of this poem/song are patriots in every sense of the word. Barak Hussein Obama will never come close to the honor and respect for this country that these men displayed. John McCain showed some of that same honor Mr. Key writes about when he refused to cooperate with the North Vietnamese in the Hanoi Hilton. He chose REAL torture (beatings, broken bones, and God only knows what else) rather than his own freedom in support of his fellow men and his country.

No, McCain is not perfect, but he has demonstrated respect for this country and he had the honor to stand up to the enemy in support of this country. He would never sit in a church that denegrated this country for twenty years. He would never marry a woman that had no respect for this country.

Barak Hussein Obama has an "issue" with wearing the flag on his lapel. There is controversy over him not putting his hand over his heart when this Anthem is played. Do you honestly think Barak Hussein Obama would ever be considered a patriot? How can a reasonable, thinking person think he would be good for this country? I don't like the change he is bringing. As much as Bush disappoints me, I would prefer another eight years of the status quo over ten minutes of Barak Hussein Obama's change.

[Steven Vaccaro]

Thanks for posting that audio file. Its clears some things up for me.

[avengersteve]

As much as Bush disappoints me, I would prefer another eight years of the status quo over ten minutes of Barak Hussein Obama's change.

couldnt say it better my self. and that was a great audio file.
"your people are insane.. what is wrong with them?" "We will die on our feet befor we live on our knees"


love it

[Ocean Racer]

Man it blew up ive been watching and my idea of this thread was just to show you somin funny.

[sci-flyer]

The city I live in, Minneapolis. Is going crazy with black on white crime.
Roving groups beating up people and putting them in the hospital. These
are unprovoked beatings.
I wonder if this election has anything to do with this?
The next four years is gunna suck, no doubt.

I was brought up by Kennedy liberals, and now they can't believe how all
of there children are registered republicans.

The "N" word meant an instant soap mouth-wash in my family.
Now it is usable ONLY by hip African-Americans.

I think the message of MLK has been lost forever.



As far as the cartoon?

I want the T-shirt :)

[RCprince]

First Fact, Rich People WILL NEVER allow I'll be kind here(Mediocre) people to choose their next Pasty..ooops I meant President....In my few Years on earth I've learned to not discuss Politics or Religion with People...It's a Bar fight waiting to happen...I made this Acronym up a few years ago...Bankrupt.United.States.Happening BUSH...Turn Off the Idiot box and read a Book....Classism, Religion, Racism, Sexism, Politics et'al..are all tools to keeps the eye off the fox and on the other chickens while the fox raids the chicken coop...GATT, NAFTA...etc Yester-year you were content and well taking care of with one Job, today you need two, tomorrow there will be few, and next week when the world opens up, It will be you plus a million or two competing for a way of life you only once knew. http://www.kickthemallout.com/

[RCprince]

Originally Posted by Dr. Jet View Post
As much as Bush disappoints me, I would prefer another eight years of the status quo over ten minutes of Barak Hussein Obama's change.

Trust me Dr. Jet you would NOT want 8 more years of BUSH Admin....Because If his admin was to continue( which they are not really his policies, but that's a different topic for another time) you'd and if not you your children and grand children be competing with youths from India or an Asian who have their PhD's at age 22 for half your salary. We Rank 18th in the world when it comes to literacy, Pre Bush we were 5th( lol kidding on that...looking for the stats)

[sci-flyer]

FACT?

LOL, roll me up one while you're at it.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahah!

[RCprince]

Second fact..I do not engage in the use of illegal, nor legal( Alcohol, Prescription) drugs

The men the American public admire most extravagantly are the most daring liars; the men they detest most violently are those who try to tell them the truth.
H. L. Mencken

[ghostofpf1]

People who still support gwb after all that's happened in the last 8 years simply amaze the hell out of me.You're one of ~ 15% in this country who still do, so at least you're not entirely alone.

I'll gladly vote for Obama and for the first time in a long while I don't think I'll feel like I'm simply voting for the lesser of two evils..AGAIN.

Ghost

[RCprince]

"There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ux3DKxxFoM We Will Miss You Governor BUSH

[Mich. Maniac]

Hey Doby, I did not read the entire thread simply cause I dont get into politics as far as debating it but just wonder if Canadians care much about whats going on in US? I really dont hear much from Canada other that they have a wonderful health care. I also just realized you as a country still have a Queen! I kinda forgot. Anyway Canada and and England?? is it seem to have things figured out and just wish people heard as much from US as we seem to about Canada

[sjslhill]

Bush is not running....try thinking for once and not following

People who still support gwb after all that's happened in the last 8 years simply amaze the hell out of me.You're one of ~ 15% in this country who still do, so at least you're not entirely alone.

I'll gladly vote for Obama and for the first time in a long while I don't think I'll feel like I'm simply voting for the lesser of two evils..AGAIN.

Ghost

[sjslhill]

Congressional Job Approval rating 17.3%

Once again, try thinking and not being a sheep

People who still support gwb after all that's happened in the last 8 years simply amaze the hell out of me.You're one of ~ 15% in this country who still do, so at least you're not entirely alone.

I'll gladly vote for Obama and for the first time in a long while I don't think I'll feel like I'm simply voting for the lesser of two evils..AGAIN.

Ghost

[ghostofpf1]

Bush is not running....try thinking for once and not following

Your reading comprehension leaves much to be desired...

Ghost

[sjslhill]

Obama is running against another Bush......I know exactly what your thinking.
Why don't you list the experience of Obama. About two lines and you will be completed.

143 days of experience
Never introduced any bills
Oh, let's run for President, morons will vote for me cause I'm black.

It's a sad think to think that the black race has someone running and it's this guy. It could have been so many that would have been better.

Your reading comprehension leaves much to be desired...

Ghost

[ghostofpf1]

Dude...you're trolling and not even doing a good job of it .
I mean you've even played the bigot card ...what next...comparing Obama to hitler...

Have fun playing with yourself
Ghost

[Dr. Jet]

...what next...comparing Obama to hitler...

Carl Marx or Vladimir Lenin would be a more appropriate comparison; but how many of you fully understand the political makeup of these men and the similarity to Barry Hussein Obama's rhetoric?

[ghostofpf1]

Carl Marx or Vladimir Lenin would be a more appropriate comparison; but how many of you fully understand the political makeup of these men and the similarity to Barry Hussein Obama's rhetoric?

Please do tell us what your favorite talking head told you to say...I'll no doubt be greatly amused

Ghost

[Dr. Jet]

I don't listen to talking heads. I haven't watched television since the mid 1970's, and the print media is full of lies. I make up my own mind.

An example of media bias (a.k.a. propaganda):

McCain goes to the Mideast several times. The best coverage he gets is a paragraph on page A-23, and two sentences on the nightly news. Not newsworthy they say. Barry Hussein Obama goes to the Mideast and three network anchors with their entire entorage go with him and grovel at his feet the entire time. No wonder so many ignorant people think he is the Messiah.

Television and print media are nothing more than the propaganda arm of the Democrat party. You are just one of the lemmings that will follow this clown as he takes you over the cliff. He's going to win, the media will see to it. When that happens, I suppose it will be the proud Conservative Nationalists (not Republicans) like me that get to say "I told you so." Enjoy socialism tavadish, you asked for it; now you will get it.

I'm getting old and will croak soon enough. I've seen the United States of America go from the Greatest Generation to the Me Generation. I worry about the country my grandkids will inherit. So sad indeed.

[RCprince]

Who cares...Because to be honest no ones cares unless the iron fist of the Industrial Military Corporate Complex comes knocking at your door step, so until then, It's someone else problem. Maybe one day the IMF and World Bank will allow Bechtel Privatization of Rainwater in your State....lol....darn it I need to hurry and run to the AT&T store, they just released a cellphone that makes pancakes. RON PAUL and Jesse Ventura for President... SJSLHIL seems as if you have a little baggage there Bruh.


Religion
////\\\\\\
Racism----------Classism

[sjslhill]

I am a racist because I think there are better, more qualified blacks than Obama?

typcial.....your a racist, your a racist.

I am American Indian, French Canadian, Scottish, German, English and most important an American!

What is Obama anyway, maybe I'll call him white from now on.

[RCprince]

Racist is a power word...I don't think any of us who have less than a Million in the bank can be racist, we can be ignorant and follow trends or mindsets of a particular ideology based on peer affiliation, But racist, nah.

One thing I like about Obama is his ability to pull the youths together inspire them, many of the youths have giving up, totally. They look at our nation as a pariah on a global scale, they feel we have to many career politicians who've become complacent, and have failed them. Like trees in a rain forest they strong arm the sunlight, the nutrients, the rain from the saplings.

Sometimes all these youths need is a lil' jump start, someone to tell them they are good people, someone to say hey whats your input, someone to say you are important. the don't need to be given anything but the right to have an opportunity to partake in they future in which "THEY" will most likely be apart of.

I believe when you pull people together a lot of those artificial dividers( religion, classism, racism, sexism et al) become transparent and we see the true enemy which we distractingly see as each other. T.E.A.M (Together Everyone Accomplishes More)

[Bill-SOCAL]

What is Obama anyway, maybe I'll call him white from now on.

I believe, that like you, he is an American.

[Bill-SOCAL]

Racist is a power word...I don't think any of us who have less than a Million in the bank can be racist, we can be ignorant

You've lost me. What exactly does being a millionaire have to do with being a racist?? You can be a racist and be dirt poor. However, I do agree with your point about ignorance. This is the true root of racism. So rich or poor, all racists share a common ignorance.

[Dr. Jet]

I believe, that like you, he is an American.

True, but the real question is: What does he call himself? An american? Or does he see himslef as some form of hyphenated American? I would be interested to hear his answer, although I doubt anyone with a microphone or camera will ask him.

[Bill-SOCAL]

You already say you know what he is.

You have called him an Afro-Leninist. This derisive label was coined by Michael Savage, the same radio-head who recently said that autism is a fraud and that 99.9% of autistic children are really just badly behaved kids. Nice guy to have as a source.

And I do so love how you, like Mr. Savage, continuously use Obama's middle name in some sad attempt to make people think he is in fact either a Muslim or less American than those of us with "real" American names. Now you take the next step and twist his first name into one I guess you think is "better" or more American. Hence the use of Barry. But I wonder how you would react to McCain being called "Johnny-Boy" and I am sure that you don't like the label "McSame". (and yes, I know that Obama used "Barry" as a child, until he decided to go back to using his given name, because he was proud of his background and wanted to use his formal given name.)

The use of these names by either side is disrespectful and I think a very Un-American thing to do.

Oh well.

As to your earlier point about the press coverage of Obama's trip to the middle East versus your perception of the coverage for McCain's, let's hope that after this trip he is at least as well versed in the area as Mr. McCain is.

After all, after several trips McCain still confuses the Sunni and Shia sects of Islam, doesn't realize that Iraq does not border Pakistan, thinks Al Qaeda if being trained by Iran (Iran is mostly Shia, Al Qaeda is a Sunni group and they pretty much hate each other), and can't keep straight that the surge came AFTER the "Anbar Awakening". Maybe he needs a few more trips over there.

But I do remember some of the coverage. Like the photo op of him in full battle gear, surrounded by 200 heavily armed troops with at least 2 helicopter gun ships overhead while he was strolling in a marketplace in Iraq. This was to show how "safe" it was. One of the other Republicans with him was quoted as saying that it was no more dangerous than a Sunday flea market in Indiana.

But it seems desperately important to the right to use labels so that they can try to focus the party faithful on things that don't matter so that they don't spend any time actually thinking about the things that do matter.