I think it's not worth arguing over personal preferences, why would you try to convince the next guy to like the same stuff you like... next thing you know he likes your girlfriend as well, LOL
I think it's not worth arguing over personal preferences, why would you try to convince the next guy to like the same stuff you like... next thing you know he likes your girlfriend as well, LOL
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Joe would this apply to the CC125 also
Version 1.03
Low: 16.25 degrees
Normal: 16.25 degrees
Race: 10.75 degrees
Extreme: 16.25 degrees
Version 1.04
Low: 4.75 degrees
Norm: 9 degrees
High: 12.75 degrees
Highest: 16.25 degrees
Also I am using Castle link 3.05 right now.
Will the above timming setings change for V 1.03 and V 1.04 with the Castle link 3.12 ??
Larry
Last edited by TRUCKPULL; 12-13-2008 at 02:38 PM.
Past NAMBA- P Mono -1 Mile Race Record holder
Past NAMBA- P Sport -1 Mile Race Record holder
Bump & Grind Racing Props -We Like Em Smooth & Wet
Larry timing values change if you download castle link 3.12.
We need to find out why and what difference they'll make?
Heath
Joe
I should have also asked if your tests were done with Castle Link 3.05 or 3.12 ??
Larry
Past NAMBA- P Mono -1 Mile Race Record holder
Past NAMBA- P Sport -1 Mile Race Record holder
Bump & Grind Racing Props -We Like Em Smooth & Wet
Going by Castles NEW chart I bet most everyone was outside the limits:
http://www.castlecreations.com/suppo..._boat_apps.pdf
Castle Hydra 120, Neu 1515 1y, 4s1p 4900mah, x442...ESC up in flames after 10 seconds while running in my 27" Rigger Insanity. I will use Hydra 240 with atleast 9800mah next time.
Last edited by detox; 12-14-2008 at 12:06 AM.
What an absolute cock-up by Castle.
So much for their R and D Dept. This should be rectified by a full recall of faulty product.
I wonder how many motors and ESCs have been destroyed in spite of careful owners setting their ESCs to the conservative ' low or normal ' position ?
This on top of the fiasco where the original fine print stated that there was no warranty if used with 4 or more lipos.
I'm afraid I now have very little confidence in Castle and will in future be buying ESCs from Europe or Asia.
I must however thank Joe Ford who appears to have been the only person at Castle to be interested in following up and getting to the bottom of this manufacturing/programming fault.
Graham.
J.A.F.O.........................
Just a flippen Observer......................................
Great topic and good info
Peter, you must weigh a ton after eating all that popcorn! You are THE observer on forums... "the eye"... uncle Sam...
LOL
Ok, I downloaded software version 3.12 and will use firmware 1.04 with custom settings for timing.. that's right, you can now
use any timing (increments of 1.0) you can desire. Since I'll be chugging along a Miss Vegas with a 1521/1D, I though that
either zero or 1 as my timing should be appropriate. I wonder if since you setting the numbers up timing will be the number you typed in.
Cross your fingers, off to the lake...
Last edited by Ub Hauled; 12-14-2008 at 04:15 PM.
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Hello Jan
I have to keep my mouth shut most times I have a habit of saying a little to much and them pulling the shoe back out of my mouth later
Good content here definitely stuff that should be addressed
My question is this - why do they recommend a 120a to replace a stock 45a on the sv and the bj - is it because their current esc's are WAY over rated?
IMPBA 20481S D-12
I wish CC would chime in here a little more while their product is being questioned. I have seen blackjack esc handle three times what it should purposely just to try and blow it. I would never do this with a hydra for cost reasons and I know it would blow. I feel we may be jumping the gun a bit on downing them for trying. Until the last decade Im sure most boats used brushed motors and heli,plane, were only using brushless technology which are far easier on esc's themselves. They (hopefully) will get it right but trial and error will be eminent until all bugs are worked out. Thats why Joe should be standing by for a bit after laying down that confusing info.
The hydra 120 is the smallest marine esc they make.
Brian "Snowman" Buaas
Team Castle Creations
NAMBA FE Chairman
Ok guys... I am back from the pond.
I ran my MV, 4s1p Elite 5000 35C, Hydra 240LV, NEU 1521/1D with an M447 prop.
I ran pretty much the whole packs and I have to say that there was NO OVERHEATING.
Here is what my Castle Link read:
13.2 Cutoff
Timing = 1
Start up = Low
the curves were default (straight)
the only thing was that I could not measure temps with my "gun" since I was bringing the boat back and lost a prop/shaft... so I jumped on the rescue boat and paddled out as quickly as I could (the MV was 20yards out) opened the hatch right there to check it manually... if I had to guess, temps were in the 90's at best... everything was barely warm after a couple of minutes run.
In conclusion, I think if you install the new Software vr 3.12 and run 1.04 (after recalibrating), set timing to 1 (I used "Custom" then clicked all the way down to "1") on a "D" wind, things should be fine. I will try using a "Y" wind some other time since I had no more time today.
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Like i said on sunday to you Graham i'm sort of thinking the same thing. i won't buy another CC ESC, although i'm quite happy with my hydra 240 at this point
I think ima get an etti cap bank and add a third water cooled cooling plate just to do all i can for it.
Maybe a castle link as well
Tyler.
Tyler I for one would like to see a Etti cap bank on a CC esc. I think they are the week link and a bank like that can only help. Please give it a go and report on the cap temps without the bank and with the bank. Go on take one for the team mate, it wont hurt a bit!!
Douggie is getting conufused again!! Software V3.12 is for the Mamba Monster controller. V3.05 was the latest for the Hydra series which included firmware V1.4 update. Are there problems in using the Mamba sotware with Hydra controllers,.
Joe Ford, PLEASE ADVISE.
Douggie
Douggie,
The Castle link software you download from CC is for ALL of their controllers... It "knows" which controller you hook to it and gives you the appropriate options for that controller...
I downloaded V3.12 this weekend and like the additional detail it provides. Just have to sit down and reprogram all my ESCs now.
Darin E. Jordan - Renton, WA
"Self-proclaimed skill-less leader in the hobby."
Darin, thanks for that info. I am anal at installing new software. I have Microsoft to thank for that fear.
Thanks,
Douggie
Darin E. Jordan - Renton, WA
"Self-proclaimed skill-less leader in the hobby."
Not only does it install and unistall the software but if for some reason the install is not successful it rolls-back all the info to leave it as it was prior to the install. I had that happen to me, since I have Vista on the PC I use for the Castle link I had to jump to a couple of hoops to get it going... nothing too bad, just extra hoops.
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Darin E. Jordan - Renton, WA
"Self-proclaimed skill-less leader in the hobby."
Darin I know what you do for a living so this should be a piece O' cake for you. It's easy stuff for anyone though...
the installer told me that there was a file that could not be used so the whole things failed, it rolled me back to the original state. I tried first to install it as a "Win Pro Service Pack 2" and it still would not go, then I tried to "run it as an admin" and
that did the trick. Easy, eh!?
BTW, I have a Dell as well... fairly new, we got it earlier this year for my wife.
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I have 3 dells including the little 9 inch for my mill programing and eagletree at the pond thats in transit right now , by far most dependable machines I have ever used..................
I agree Peter, the next best thing you can have, BESIDES A MAC, is a Dell, great support dept.
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I purchase a new Dell to replace an old Delll about 4 months ago. Nothing but problems. They stepped up to the plate and replaced the unit...no problems since. I run XP with Service Pack 3. I will not touch VISTA after talking to some IT guys. Plus much of my existing software would not operate with Vista
Darin, I reconfigured one of my CC ESCs Hydra 120 and will test with an Eagle Micro Logger, as soon as it warms up.
N.B. I had to reinstall the software twice before the ESC would re-calibrate correctly and with a steady LED on full throttle
P.S. Jan my settings are the same except for custom timing and cutoff voltage. I programmed 3 for timing and 16.5 cutoff(5S)
Douggie
Last edited by Flying Scotsman; 12-15-2008 at 02:21 PM.
Now here is the big question
A lot of us ran V 1.03 software because a lot of people said that V1.04 made things hot.
We now find out that with V1.03 timing settings were actually
Low – 16.25 degrees
Normal – 16.25 degrees
Race – 10.75 degrees
Extreme – 16.25 degrees
If you used the V1.04 timing settings were.
Low – 4.75 degrees
Normal – 9 degrees
Race – 12.75 degrees
Extreme – 16.25 degrees
For NEU motors we were told to use LOW with “D” winds and Normal with
“Y” winds
Now with the V3.12 castle link, do we still have a chouse between V1.03 and V1.04??
What are the timing settings in DEGREES for racing with the NEU “D” and “Y” winds??
My setups before were as we see now 16.26 degrees for both “D” and “Y” winds.
Larry
Past NAMBA- P Mono -1 Mile Race Record holder
Past NAMBA- P Sport -1 Mile Race Record holder
Bump & Grind Racing Props -We Like Em Smooth & Wet
Larry, for the Hydra 120. I was given the choice of V1.3 or 4. The HV series may not allow this???
Douggie
Larry I believe you get to chose between "Firmware 1.03 or 1.04",
since you know that your motors were running 16.26 degrees, now all you'd have to do
is chose the same settings on the new Software version since the Firmwares are the same.
I think people are getting a bit confused as far as Software version and Firmware version....
The "Software" is the application one has to open to see all the options and change them...
The "Firmware" is what is inside the chips that does all the math for you to be able apply these options.
If someone has a better explanation please go right ahead...
So, when one is saying Software remember that that is the Interface and when someone says Firmware, remember it's invisible.
The problem that is occurring right now is that the selections showing on the Interface are not corresponding to what the Firmware is telling the ESC to do...
I hope that I could help someone with this.
Douggie, I believe you are right, the Hydra HV series does not support Firmware version 1.03
Last edited by Ub Hauled; 12-15-2008 at 04:04 PM.
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Geez guys...I was at a show with no internet connection. I'm not leaving you hanging, I'm not running away, not going to ignore you...I was busy. I'm here now, ask away.
Darin...thank you for answering some questions while I was gone...it is appreciated. :)
I will talk with the engineers about the high timing voiding warranty situation. We'll see what they say...not my decision.
Castle is very sorry for any frustration this debacle may have caused any of you. We knew some people would be upset but chose to just put it out there. We could have just fixed it, released 1.05/06, and not said another word. But that's not the way we do business...if we mess up we admit to it. So our apologies gents.
Joe Ford
Product Specialist/Surface Team Manager
Castle Creations
Thank You JOE
Castle is great, not many companies would give us this much information.
I downloaded the New Castle Link V3.12
Every thing is good, we can still switch between V1.03 and V1.04
I talked to Steve at NEU motors, we all know that he said before that the
"D" winds should be set to LOW
"Y" winds set to Normal
Now with V1.04 we can set the degrees to any thing we want.
Steve said to set the "D" winds at 0 to 4.75 degrees with V1.04
The 16.25 degrees that we had before with the V1.03 would not efect the motor, seeing that they ("D" winds) don't respond to timing changes.
The "Y" winds should be set at 9 to 15 degrees with V1.04
Larry
Past NAMBA- P Mono -1 Mile Race Record holder
Past NAMBA- P Sport -1 Mile Race Record holder
Bump & Grind Racing Props -We Like Em Smooth & Wet
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