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    If the President can only be "in office" 2 terms (8 years) then why do we have the same people in the Senate and the House or representives for years and years (20 years +)??
    They have made a lifetime career out of a NON elected position, and they aren't worried about losing their jobs.
    Presidents come and go but they stay.....
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    Term limits would probably limit the influence of special interest groups. In turn, would probably put people in who actually represent the people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1truckerdan View Post
    If the President can only be "in office" 2 terms (8 years) then why do we have the same people in the Senate and the House or representives for years and years (20 years +)??
    They have made a lifetime career out of a NON elected position, and they aren't worried about losing their jobs.
    Presidents come and go but they stay.....
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    Boy am I with you 100%. I am also for term limits on all public offices. Even our Supreme Court Justices. All elected or even appointed positions should be subject to some form of limits. We have to ask ourselfs why do we allow lawyers (thats most of our elected officials), who debate the very reasoning of a laws purpose. Serve us. And do they really serve us? Not many prove themselves qualified. Why do we accept an educated man over one who is reasonably responsible? What proves the man with the degree more competent then one you knows right from wrong? I'm mystified. But its become the norm for politicians.

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    On top of the "long terms" they enjoy they "slip" new laws(that would never pass on their own) in with other bills that Will pass.
    for instance. the "amber alerting" for abducted children was wanted by everyone and would vote for YES for it.....and they "slipped in" the terrorist act, which effectly gives the government the right to search you,and your property, arrest you and hold you indeiffently as a terorist threat to the country...Without even being charged with Anything!
    They do this kind of "lobbying" EVERYDAY!
    NO bill should have more than ONE law included for Any vote.
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    I am not blaming it all on Obama, I am blaming the increasing of it on Obama. Obama believes totally in this system, in fact he wants total Government control in every aspect of our lives. I am kinda shocked that you don't see it myself. Look at what they announced yesterday, they are going around congress on the dream bill.

    "This plan amounts to backdoor amnesty for hundreds of thousands -- if not millions -- of illegal aliens," the Republican governor said in a written statement. "We need to remind President Obama that we elected a president that serves beneath the law and did not anoint a king that is above the law."

    smell the coffee Dom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sjslhill View Post
    Look at what they announced yesterday, they are going around congress on the dream bill.

    "This plan amounts to backdoor amnesty for hundreds of thousands -- if not millions -- of illegal aliens," the Republican governor said in a written statement. "We need to remind President Obama that we elected a president that serves beneath the law and did not anoint a king that is above the law."

    smell the coffee Dom.
    The keyword here is "They". The president doesn't make the laws. He can only approve of veto them. Even on a veto, Congress can override that. The supreme court determines the constitutionality of the law if challenged. With those facts, How can this be blamed on one man?
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    Well, if he would not TRY it first, it WOULD NOT happen period. dah smell the coffee Dom. Stupid is as stupid does. Obama is a Government socialist, that is even his background and training. Many in congress agree with his plan as well.

    House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi and Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid praised the decision.

    They is DOJ and HLS. Obama appointed them.

    Holder is a criminal in my opinon, fast and furious gave guns to criminals.

    I guess your one of them.......

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    Party lines WILL forever divide our country and.....
    WILL NOT put the peoples needs and wants before their "parties adengenda".......There are no reasons for this except......power and controll
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    Oh I agree, we need change. I welcome the TEA party myself......smaller Gov.

    Quote Originally Posted by 1truckerdan View Post
    Party lines WILL forever divide our country and.....
    WILL NOT put the peoples needs and wants before their "parties adengenda".......There are no reasons for this except......power and controll
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    I'll move to TX when they pull out of the Union.......I think your going to see another seperation of South and North. The Northern city people like total Gov. control on their lives for some reason, problem is, they can't pay for it. So, in the end everyone pays for it. I am sick of it. Ky is a do nothing wishy washy state as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sjslhill View Post
    I guess your one of them.......
    So because I don't agree with you, I'm a criminal? Where did I hear that from? Hmmm....Was it that ol' "If you're not with us, you're against us"
    I guess I will continue to be a criminal if exercising individual thought and speech is a crime.
    Thanks for the label. I'll bow my head in shame because I don't agree with you.
    One question, where will you get the money to fund the prisons for people like me who don't agree with your opinions?
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    I like when conservatives label O as a Socialist. I LIKE socialism. I'll take it any day over our AWESOME Bi-partisan get nothing done democracy.

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    A wee song for you yanks.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHJL5Eh9wZo


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    Uh oh..You've gone and done it now! You've admitted to liking socialism. My individualism and your socialism will end us both up in prison. Hey. Don't dictatorships do that?
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    It is music with great lyrics and without the crap rubbish that many performers put on today and was witthout fireworks and boys and girls dancing around.

    Douggie, the old fart

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    Some more nose thumbing from our elected officials. Unfortunately all the politicians think this way because we let it happen all over from both parties.








    Dear American Taxpayer,

    I want to thank the hard working American people for paying $242 thousand dollars for my vacation in Spain ..

    My daughter Sasha, several long-time family friends, my personal staff and various guests had a wonderful time. Honestly, you just haven't lived until you have stayed in a $2,500.00 per night private 3-story villa at a 5-Star luxury hotel.

    Thank you also for the use of Air Force Two and the 70 Secret Service personnel who tagged along to be sure we were safe and cared for at all times. By the way, if you happen to be visiting the Costa del Sol, I highly recommend the Buenaventura Plaza restaurant in Marbella ; great lobster with rice and oysters!

    Air Force Two (which costs $11,351 per hour to operate according to Government Accounting Office reports) only used 47,500 gallons of jet fuel for this trip and carbon emissions were a mere 1,031 tons of CO2. These are only rough estimates, but they are close. That's quite a carbon footprint as my good friend Al Gore would say, so we must ask the American citizens to drive smaller, more fuel efficient cars and drive less too, so we can lessen our combined carbon footprint.

    I know times are hard and millions of you are struggling to put food on the table and trying to make ends meet. So I do appreciate your sacrifices and do hope you find work soon.

    I was really exhausted after Barack took our family on a luxury vacation in Maine a few weeks ago. I just had to get away for a few days.

    Cordially,

    Michelle Obama

    P.S. Thank you as well for the $2 BILLION dollar trip to India !

    P.S.S. Thank you, too, for that vacation trip to Martha's Vineyard ; it was fabulous. And thanks for that second smaller jet that took our dog, Bo, to Martha's Vineyard so we and the children could have him with us while we were away from the White House for eleven days.

    P.S.S.S. Oh, I almost forgot to thank you all for our "date weekend" in New York and to say thanks also for our two-week trip to Hawaii at Christmas. That 7,000 square foot house was great!

    And finally, thanks for asking, we had a great time taking Air Force One to Chicago to tape our segment with Oprah a couple weeks ago, replete with full security, a separate plane for armored limosines and a full contingent of assistants.

    Remember we all have to share the pain of these economic times equally! Love to redistribute and share the wealth.

    SEND THIS TO EVERY AMERICAN NOW

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    Ha ha ha ha .......thats priceless but really how true and all on your dime

    there is a world wide movement and it is gaining momentum , I am a member of annonomus if you are tired of just bitching get off your a$$ and spread the word

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    Ok we get it. You don't like Obama. But I think a little fact check is in order.
    http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/india.asp

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    Oh that's right Dom, it was free......the numbers may not be exactly correct but it costs millions. I understand, your a liberal.

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    You sir will stop at nothing to blame the entire demise of the U.S. on Obama. READ THE FREAKIN ARTICLE. What's worse, the pres. taking a trip, or thousands of people believing absolute B.S. propaganda stirred up by CONSERVATIVES to try and further smear the president's name for political gain?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sjslhill View Post
    Oh that's right Dom, it was free......the numbers may not be exactly correct but it costs millions. I understand, your a liberal.
    No I'm not a liberal. But if you say I am. I guess I am. So now I'm a liberal criminal.
    Why do you attack those that don't agree with you? Do you see a pattern here? You attack Obama personally because you don't like his politics. You attack those that
    don't agree with you.
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    Just like the Liberals did with Bush...Oh that's right, it is okay for the Libs to do it but not Conservatives.

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    William Holder is the criminal, not you. I am amazed by some of your responses, others I am not.

    Quote Originally Posted by domwilson View Post
    No I'm not a liberal. But if you say I am. I guess I am. So now I'm a liberal criminal.
    Why do you attack those that don't agree with you? Do you see a pattern here? You attack Obama personally because you don't like his politics. You attack those that
    don't agree with you.

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    I do recall people attacking Bush's policies. And from time to time, taking shots at his intellect. Just don't remember people attacking other people for disagreeing with them.
    If you have a opinion, stick to it. Present the facts that support your arguments. But I implore you to not attack those who don't agree with you. I'm not a liberal or a conservative.
    I don't like big government. I don't like government waste. I believe that everyone should carry their own weight. I also believe that they should be given the opportunities to do so.
    That may sound conservative. But the fanaticism on both sides is not representative of both parties true philosophies. It's just rhetoric that serves no purpose other than furthering their own agendas and not the will or the welfare of the people they are supposed to represent. If you have valid concerns and facts, by all means post them. You may find people may agree with you. But labeling people will only change their opinion of you and not support your arguments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sjslhill View Post
    William Holder is the criminal, not you. I am amazed by some of your responses, others I am not.
    Read this..."Holder is a criminal in my opinon, fast and furious gave guns to criminals.

    I guess your one of them......."

    How would you interpret that from the other side of a keyboard?
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    Sorry Dom, keyboards and preception.......one of them was sarcasm for liberal. I am done here.....not meaning to attack anyone. I do think Pelosi, Reed, Obama are very dangerous for our future. It did not happen overnight though, been going on for years

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    Quote Originally Posted by sjslhill View Post
    Sorry Dom, keyboards and preception.......one of them was sarcasm for liberal. I am done here.....not meaning to attack anyone. I do think Pelosi, Reed, Obama are very dangerous for our future. It did not happen overnight though, been going on for years
    See we half agree. I think they all are dangerous with their brand of politics. They treat the constitution as if it was just a piece of paper written by some senile old folks and the will of the people as a passing fad motivated by the misguided ramblings of spoiled children. Micheal Steele (another person who's politics I don't care for) essentially said both parties have to agree on a "hybrid" position. They both need to find a position that will benefit the people and not their careers or their party's misguided agendas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sjslhill View Post
    Sorry Dom, keyboards and preception.......one of them was sarcasm for liberal. I am done here.....not meaning to attack anyone. I do think Pelosi, Reed, Obama are very dangerous for our future. It did not happen overnight though, been going on for years
    It is in our nature to attempt to explain our arguements using extremes. I am very guilty of it. Guess I'm not well potty trained. But it doesnt mean we cant debate. As long as we try and stay within some form of reason. The snopes article, while accurate regarding the biased trips value, had no available dollar amount to argue its true cost and the whole point of making statements about the ridiculous reporting overshadowed its purpose of questioning why the First Family was allowed to spend ANY amount of money to perform a duty clearly held by our Appointed Officials, whose responsibilty it is to legaly represent the American People and the Administration. At a time when the American People are suffering financial hardship the trip of the First Family to Africa was nothing more then a boon doggle. I dont care what view anyone argues from this was absolutey a slap in the face to us, the Country's Citizens. Even if the cost was a shamefull nickel, a mere 5 cents, this was useless to all except the Adminstration.

    I do have a fair handle on what the trip cost and it was well over a $100 million dollars. Knowing whats involved at the required security levels, preperation of strategic materials, placement of screening personel to locations and alternates, infiltration of unknown travel risks. Not to mention the relocation of intelligence assets. It might appear to the average person that this was booked on Travelocity, but you couldnt be farther from the truth.

    That is not what tightens my lug nutz. Its the slap in the face to us, all of us, about why this was even needed when in the Offical Adminstration Capacity, there already existed the people to make this trip. I bet you wont see anyone pleaing with Obummer about why the local shelter is being closed down, but his lovely Family got to "Vacation Africa" at taxpayer expense. Why the hungry children in THIS country get to have no options on how much they might get soon. I hope the thought of the Familiy Vacation fills them with warmth although they will still be hungry!

    A comment was made recently about the Elite. Well,...........I guess we just got told who are some of the members.

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    Exactly. This is what I mean. Some people in positions of authority or wealth use the average american as a stepping stone to their own personal growth. If you truly work hard to achieve prosperity then you are entitled to it. But if you do it by stepping on people then you deserve nothing less than to be stepped on. Politicians and some heads of major corporations fall in this category. They have sold us down the river to maintain their own personal gains. How much sense does it make to outsource american jobs to sell those products back to America? If we don't have jobs to earn money to buy their products, then where does the money come from? Government entitlements. Companies that outsource jobs should peddle their wares elsewhere. Or tax the heck out of their products until they have to move job back to domestic shores. As consumers, we have that kind of buying power. Fair wages across the board for workers. Just think if the exorbitant salaries were cut from Some CEO's and top managers salaries and applied to hiring more workers. Is it socialism or just fair? I'm not talking redistribution of wealth. I'm talking about a fair chance to succeed. I don't want the government to take care of able bodied people who are too lazy to work. Or a government that intrudes into my personal life or takes from me money that they haven't earned. Just a government that protects the welfare of the people it represents. I think that is pretty much what we all want.
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    We've been over this before. Government is the problem. "We the people" have no self discipline. We don't respect ourselves or our fellow man. Hence "government" to force us to do the right thing. The "right thing" of course being debated to death by guess who........the government. With out us they don't exist. Unfortunately they....can't be trusted. None of them. They will confiscate our earnings and then argue about where to blow them.........oh, and a little cut for them. They'll even tell us that they'll confiscate a little more of the earnings of "others" so that they don't need as much of ours. Works too. We say "yes please".

    Even if Obama had the answers to our economic woes it would have taken time. There isn't some magic switch he could have flipped. If there was, every president would have the exact economy he wanted. I'm no Obama supporter BTW. Obama is a tool IMO. But he didn't single handedly murder our economy.

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