Mar 7-9th, 2008 Az NAMBA Winter Warm-Ups

[D. Newland]

This thread will be the official sign up thread for the Az race! Thank you, Steven!

Crossroads Lake in Gilbert, Az. 1/8th Course will be used.

Lenny Blake will be our CD again! That's 4 years in a row for Lenny. He's a tremendous asset to our race and we're glad to have him signed up again.

Friday will be open water with 3 classes running in the afternoon. Sat/Sun will have a full race schedule.

Friday:

LSO: Sponsored by DROBIE (Doug Robichaud)

Dennis Oldenburg 82
Dan Proulx 86
Tony H 75
Dick R 2.4
Randy 75 or Spectra
Lee 84
Alan Nayman DSM
Dave Arndt 73/90
Kevin Whitehead 2.4
Bill Malvey FASST

N-2 Hydro Sponsored by Solinger Hardware:

David Newland Ch 83
John Fruge Spektrum
Dick R 2.4
Randy 75 or Spectra
Kevin Whitehead 2.4

1/8th Scale (2 rounds) Sponsored by Pat @ rclipos.com:

John Fruge Spektrum
Randy 75 or Spectra
Howard Tucker 2.4
Alan Nayman DSM

Saturday:

N-2 Mono: Sponsored by BBY Racing

David Newland 83
Pete Boyle 78
Dennis Oldenburg 82
Dan Proulx 86
Dick R 2.4
Randy 75 or Spectra
Alan Nayman DSM
Dave Arndt 73/90

P Offshore: Sponsored by our very own Offshoreelectrics.com! Thanks, Steve.

David Newland 83
Pete Boyle 78
Dan Proulx 86
Tony H 89
Lee 84
John Fruge Spektrum
Dave Arndt 73/90

P Sport Sponsored by Doug Peterson DAIRYMASTERS, LLC

Dan Proulx 86
Randy 75 or Spectra
Lee 84
Dave Arndt 73/90
Kevin Whitehead 2.4

Open Cat Sponsored by Vision Hobbies and MiniCat Racing

John Fruge Spektrum
Bill Malvey FASST
Randy Naylor


LSH Sponsored by Don Wollard from RumRunner Racing

David Newland Ch 83
Pete Boyle Ch 78
Dennis Oldenburg 82
Dan Proulx 86
Dick R. 2.4
Pat McDonald Nomadio SS
Lee 84
Dave Arndt 73/90
Kevin Whitehead 2.4

Open Mono Sponsored by SoCal Fast Electrics

John Fruge Spektrum
Bill Malvey FASST
Randy 75 or Spectra
Howard Tucker 2.4


Sunday:


SV 27/Blackjack Sponsored by Steve at Flightpower USA

John Fruge Spektrum
Lee 84
Randy 75 or Spectra
Howard Tucker 2.4
Alan Nayman DSM
Bill Malvey FASST

N-2 Offshore Sponsored by Fred from Uniquefe.com

David Newland 83
Pete Boyle 78
Dan Proulx 86
Dick R 2.4
Dave Arndt 73/90
Kevin Whitehead 2.4

P Mono Sponsored by Steve at Flightpower USA

David Newland 83
Pete Boyle 78
Bill Malvey FASST
Dan Proulx 86
Tony H 75
Dick R 2.4
Lee 84
Howard Tucker 2.4
Alan Nayman DSM
Dave Arndt 73/90

N-2 Sport Sponsored by LIGHTZ PRODUCTS/Pat McDonald

David Newland 83
Dan Proulx 86
Pat McDonald Nomadio SS
Randy 75 or Spectra
Lee 84
Howard Tucker 2.4
Dave Arndt 73/90
Kevin Whitehead 2.4

SV 27 OPC Tunnel Sponsored by Darin Jordan/Banzai HydroSports

John Fruge Spektrum
Pat McDonald Nomadio
Dick Roberts 2.4
Tony H 75/89
Kevin Whitehead 2.4

1/8th Scale (3 rounds) Sponsored by Pat @ rclipos.com

John Fruge Spektrum
Randy 75 or Spectra
Howard Tucker 2.4
Alan Nayman DSM

Any other class that gets 3 racers will be added.

We run under NAMBA rules. We also will run the hull restrictions as listed on the IMPBA trial rule set, and those length limits will apply to Hydros as well. We will be sprint racing 1 mi. 4 min Offshore heats. 3 heats/day.

LSH, LSO and SV 27 are LiPo friendly classes, (5000 mah max). Also, SV 27 power systems (ESC and motor) are allowed in LSH and LSO. Scoring will be determined at the drivers meeting (score together or separate).

SV 27/Blackjack race rules will be determined by racers that enter the class (what mod's allowed, etc).

$20 for first entry, $5 each additional entry. Class sign up sheets can be handed in on the day of the event. If you would like to pre-register and pre-pay, please complete the following information and mail it with a check made out to Pat McDonald to:

Pat McDonald
1656 N Sawyer
Mesa, Az 85207

Name/Address:
Phone Number:
Email address:
NAMBA #:

Please list your classes and frequencies.

Class sponsorships are also available for $50.

Hotel information:

Speep Inn: 6347 E Southern Ave. Mesa, Az 85206. (480)807-7760

**Recommended** Quality Inn & Suites: 1410 S Country Club Dr. Mesa, Az 85210 (480)964-2897

La Quinta Inn & Suites: 6530 E Superstition Springs Blvd. Mesa, Az 85206 (480)654-1970

Thank you! Post here if questions.

[dennis]

Sign Dennis Oldenburg up for:

LSO Channel 82
N2 Mono Channel 82
LSH Chsnnel 82

[Dan Proulx]

Sign me up for:
Friday
LSO

Saturday
N2 Mono
P Offshore
P Sport
LSH

Sunday
N2 Offshore
P Mono
N2 Sport

All on channel 86

Thanks,

Dan Proulx

[Doozie870]

Sign me up.

Friday- LSO, N2 hydro
Sat.- LSH
Sun.- N2 Offshore (assuming the motor and esc survives friday)

spectrum radio.

[Doozie870]

Will not be able to attend. Thanks

[properchopper]

I'm in for :

Friday : LSO ch 75

Saturday : P Offshore ch 89

Sunday : P-Mono ch 66

Guys , there may be 3 TS-2 Spec SV 27 Tunnels ! Hope we can fit them in as an exhibition class or some such thing !

Mr. Proulx : I'll be sending you a ticking package ; please stand directly over it when you open it !! lol

[D. Newland]

I would like to cancel from the race, and I wish Aquacraft and the "Grim Raper" the best. Thanks for trashing the affordable spec classes for chinese super profit.

James, I am sorry to hear this. We have always tried to gear our race towards the newer racer to gain knowledge and experience at a well run event. I feel bad (really bad) that we have done something that makes you feel this way.

Just so you know, Pete, Pat and I don't want to push the 700's out the back door. However, we do recognize that the 700 brushed setup is no longer the "hands down" favorite 12 cell recommended setup for newbies. The SV 27 motor/ESC combo has changed that, and all we're trying to do is test run the SV 27's against the 700's to gain experience and see if it's a good direction to pursue. It's hard to have online chats about something without any racing experience. That's what ALOT of people are doing right now, and we'd rather see it with our own eyes, so to speak.

Also, keep in mind that it is NOT set in stone about the scoring of 700's vs SV27 setups. That will be determined at the drivers meeting. If you attend and want them scored separately, I will do my best to make that happen.

I would comment on how the SV 27 setups run against the 700, but I don't think that's your main concern. But, just so you know, Pete and I still run 700's. I'm not sure what Pat is going to do. He has the equipment to run it both ways.

Please keep our race in mind. You know first hand that it's alot more than just heat racing.

[D. Newland]

Class entries updated.

SV 27 Tunnels will be added, but which day????

[SJFE]

If I may stray off subject slightly. In regards to the tunnel class. If you ran an AMMO 36-56-1800 and Great Planes 45 amp esc(witch is probably the same as the sv) would that be a legal entry? The specs would still be the same. The only diffrence is the ammo is a 2 pole motor and the SV is a 6 I think.
Thanks,
Tom

[D. Newland]

I'm sure that if the motors matched up in Kv and mass and the ESC's are both rated at 45 amps, then nobody would have an issue with that setup running. We try to be as inclusive as possible. After all, we bill our race as a "Warm Up" race! It wouldn't be sporting of us to not allow a comparable tunnel setup.

[D. Newland]

Dick Roberts-Clean out your in/out basket on RRR.

[PatrickM]

I agree with Dave.... lots of racers are wondering how other motors and ESC's will stack up against the SV27 setup, some with the idea of including other brands in the proposed spec. Here's the opportunity to find out. I don't think that anyone will get upset, unless your setup is clearly the class of the field...

[SJFE]

Thanks guys I was wondering how that would go over:)

[Flyguy55]

Dick Roberts-Clean out your in/out basket on RRR.

Done done done

[Flyguy55]

I have a SV27 OPC I hope to test this weekend. I'll bring it along If i can get it to handle :-) , and you decide what day :-)

Class entries updated.

SV 27 Tunnels will be added, but which day????

[Flyguy55]

If I may stray off subject slightly. In regards to the tunnel class. If you ran an AMMO 36-56-1800 and Great Planes 45 amp esc(witch is probably the same as the sv) would that be a legal entry? The specs would still be the same. The only diffrence is the ammo is a 2 pole motor and the SV is a 6 I think.
Thanks,
Tom

According to grim , the SV 27 motor is a spec. motor , not an Ammo
Specs
This is the AquaCraft Marine Brushless Motor for use
with the AquaCraft Super Vee 27

FEATURES: Direct replacement motor
Brushless In-Runner design
Pre-installed 3.5mm gold bullet connectors

INCLUDES: One B36/56 Brushless Marine Motor

REQUIRES: Installation

SPECS: Length of can: 2.07" (53mm)
Length including shaft: 2.8" (72.77mm)
Stator length: 56mm
Diameter: 1.42"(36mm)
Shaft diameter: 5mm

Must be a misprint . Hard to get a 56 mm stator in a 53 mm can
Can measures 53 mm .

Specs for the Ammo

SPECS: Motor Diameter: 1.42" (36mm)
Motor Length: 2.2" (56mm)
Shaft Diameter: .197" (5mm)
Shaft Length: .591" (15mm)
kV Rating: 1800 rpm/V
Weight: 10oz (283g)
Input Voltage: 14.8-22.2V
Max. Constant Current: 50A
Max. Surge Current: 90A
Max. Constant Watts: 1110W
No Load Current: 1.9A

[D. Newland]

John and Bill-Do you have a preference as to which day to run the tunnel's?

[D. Newland]

Race site has been confirmed.

Crossroads Lake in Gilbert, Az

[SJFE]

I'd really like to make it. Goodle maps state 2,469 mi – about 1 day 13 hours. Thats some driving.

[jfruge]

John and Bill-Do you have a preference as to which day to run the tunnel's?

I say Sunday for the OPC tunnels... I also say if we don't get any more SV27 sing ups lets just replace that class with the SV powered tunnels...

Fun Fun!

[Bill-SOCAL]

John and Bill-Do you have a preference as to which day to run the tunnel's?

Doesn't matter to me. Pick a day, tell me when.


I would recommend that the one constant be an ESC with a 45 amp max rating like the stock SV. Already people are wandering away from the idea of a true spec class. And there hasn't even been a race. The whole idea I thought was to have a number of essentially identical boats to run against each other. I must have misunderstood that point.

[PatrickM]

Ran my WOF with the SV27 power package for the first time today and am somewhat pleased with the results, but it does need some fine tuning...

One of our goals at the Winter Warmups is, and has been, to put on a laid back, casual event to allow racers to test new combo's and setups for the coming season. The idea behind allowing racers to run something outside of a "one motor, one hull" spec is to learn how other products compare as well as to allow those who may not have the spec hardware to compete.

We are not trying to set a precedent for future events or spec rule proposals, simply trying to be inclusive and maybe attract another entry or two. If a non SV setup is out of line performance wise, the issue will be addressed at the drivers meeting and a decision to allow or disallow the entry can be made by the racers.

From my observations running the OB SV27 setup today, I tend to believe that the Aquacraft ESC is underrated at 45 amps, most likely just a nice round number that was picked for warranty purposes.... The tunnel was running at comparable to LSH speeds, but burning nearly double the mah used by the SV27 setup in my DH shovel.

[jfruge]

Patrick, that sounds good to me. I also think that if Tom is willing to dirve 2,469 miles to come join us he can run what ever he has in his tunnel! Closer to the spec rules the better.... but hay... if gets him run with us... bring it on!

This should be a great event!

I know I am counting the days.

[Dan Proulx]

I'm thinking about entering LS OPC and Sunday would be my preference too.

Tony - regarding that package you sent me that was supposed to be ticking...I think you sent me the wrong one cause this one is only vibrating?

I'm not sure I want to open it.

Dan

[properchopper]

I'm thinking about entering LS OPC and Sunday would be my preference too.

Tony - regarding that package you sent me that was supposed to be ticking...I think you sent me the wrong one cause this one is only vibrating?

I'm not sure I want to open it.

Dan

I'm cool with Sunday too.

Dan : Something musta' gotten switched ; kinda' explains why my girlfriend's been so grouchy lately

[RandyatBBY]

Dave and Pete Hi
Well I wanted to put in my classes for the WWU IV
Only have one question(right now) Can I run my SC26 with the Blacl Jack guys? Sounds like fun?

Friday:

LSO CH75 or Spectra
N-2 Hydro CH75 or Spectra


Saturday:

N-2 Mono CH75 or Spectra

P Sport CH75 or Spectra

Open Mono CH75 or Spectra

Sunday:

SV 27/Blackjack If the SC26 is allowed CH75 or Spectra

N-2 Sport CH75 or Spectra
1/8th scale CH75 or Spectra

I am not sure if I am gona wish I signed up for more but at my age 3 a day should be enough.
__________________
80 MPH + P Sport Hydro club Member

[jfruge]

Guys, how much per boat and when can we pay

Fun Fun

[Quietlee]

Here's what I'm planning on for classes. All on Ch 84

Fri
LSO

Sat
P Offshore
P Sport
LSH

Sun
SV27
P Mono
N-2 Sport

Gonna be fun!

[D. Newland]

Thanks Randy and Lee for signing up!

Hotel and race fee information will be posted this week.

Race class list updated. SV 27 Tunnel happening on Sunday. Who's in??

[properchopper]

I'm in for OPC Tunnel on Sunday. [ will specify radio shortly] Another fine mess you've gotten me into !

BTW did I read correctly that LSO is allowing SV motors & SC's ?