Rudder to Strutter conversion

**Steven Vaccaro** · 10-07-2010, 10:55 AM

I should have the brackets in early next week. I don't have any screws but will try to get some before then.

**tman52804** · 10-07-2010, 11:16 AM

Are you speaking Octura standoffs or new type of bracket (standoff)?

**Steven Vaccaro** · 10-07-2010, 11:17 AM

Originally Posted by tman52804

Are you speaking Octura standoffs or new type of bracket (standoff)?

Octura

**Boomer** · 10-07-2010, 11:57 AM

Thanks Steve. I tried to order them online but it wouldn't let me, thus my posting requesting them. I appreciate your sourcing the SS screws too!!
Boomer

**Darin Jordan** · 10-07-2010, 12:08 PM

Just so you guys know... Dubro sells stainless fasteners if you can't get there anywhere else.

Here is a listing of them from Horizon. I believe the Octura mounts likely use 4-40s...

http://search.horizonhobby.com/index...d=12B8772810AA

**Steven Vaccaro** · 10-07-2010, 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by Boomer

Thanks Steve. I tried to order them online but it wouldn't let me, thus my posting requesting them. I appreciate your sourcing the SS screws too!!
Boomer

Thats correct, the site wont take backorders.

Darin thanks for the link.

**Boomer** · 10-10-2010, 10:49 AM

Thought I would share this report with you fellows from the Miss Geico thread on RCGroups.com regarding a fellow MG owner's findings on "off setting" his rudder as described in this thread. I will ask Thomas for some photos to confirm the installation is the same. I haven't made the modification to my MG yet, so I am looking forward to more dialog on the results of those who have.
Boomer

Report from thomaslambo (RGGroups.com)
"FYI - I just got back from the (Hansen)Dam and the rudder mod (done exactly as noted in pics) made almost no difference. It behaves almost exactly the same as the stock center mounted rudder on 4s power. With 5s it behaves just fine either way the rudder is mounted.

IMO Battery placement is the key on this boat....and without question it needs 5s power ....don't even waste your time with 4s.

Bottom line....Bats in the rear on 5s power and she runs beautiful. A touch of weight in the nose and it will handle turbulence and a slight head wind....now I'm going to enjoy the boat until I replace the stock ESC and Motor "

**ron1950** · 10-10-2010, 03:15 PM

mines plenty fast with batteries back and 642 prop...into a small wind it flys the nose and rides on the prop just enough to scare me lol

**onegreenray** · 10-10-2010, 10:30 PM

i will be do for a set of the stand offs as well.

4-40 screws thx Darin.

**hobie** · 10-10-2010, 10:52 PM

I did the conversion two days ago... By far the best thing I have done to this boat!!! It absolutly rocks with the rudder moved over. Handles just as good if not better than stock! I'm so glad I got told about this from a buddy of mine. Whom also supplied me with the parts as well. Thanks 7500.
I'm telling you, this has to be done to you MG!! Heck, the man who designed it did it... That's got to say something. Lol!
Amazing machine, and I can't stop running it!!!

**7500RPM** · 10-11-2010, 06:47 AM

Originally Posted by hobie

I did the conversion two days ago... By far the best thing I have done to this boat!!! It absolutly rocks with the rudder moved over. Handles just as good if not better than stock! I'm so glad I got told about this from a buddy of mine. Whom also supplied me with the parts as well. Thanks 7500.
I'm telling you, this has to be done to you MG!! Heck, the man who designed it did it... That's got to say something. Lol!
Amazing machine, and I can't stop running it!!!

What an awesome day yesterday! Thanks hobie.
Your boat is amazing faster on just that 4 cell 4200 mah 45c new Hyperion Pack! Ballastic! Need two for that boat! almost no need for 5 cell packs! Again awesome day!!

One other thing. Everybody should change the brass bushings in your struts to Octura lead teflon bearings as yesterday the brass one locked up on the flex cable! What a mess! hobie's did the same thing days prior, thanks to a fellow boater, he had a dremel tool to cut off the brass one off the cable and he had the Octura one's handy, just spread them slightly and install, They Fit perfectly!

**Boomer** · 10-12-2010, 01:32 PM

Any word on when you will have the Octura spacers to do the Miss G off set rudder mod?
I'd like to order them along with some other items to save a little on the shipping costs.
Thank you
Boomer

**Steven Vaccaro** · 10-12-2010, 08:00 PM

I hope to have some spacers tomorrow.

**Boomer** · 10-12-2010, 10:45 PM

Thanks Steve
I 'll check stock in the AM.
Boomer

**ron1950** · 10-12-2010, 11:17 PM

got mine today thanks steve just finished the conversion...dont forget to reverse that servo lol...was wondering where the strut should be now lol have to do some testing

**onegreenray** · 10-12-2010, 11:59 PM

i think its worth it just to be able to grease the shaft without having to take the rudder apart every time.

**Steven Vaccaro** · 10-13-2010, 08:29 PM

I got some today. I should have got 10, but I ended up with 9 and one of them was missing the screws. I have 40 more on order. I hope to have those Tuesday.
One thing. The screws are not 4-40's. I have to check the hardware store to see what they are.

**jac4412** · 10-13-2010, 08:36 PM

dang.. I just got some nice 4 40s too...... guess I'll have to put up another 80 cents!

**jac4412** · 10-13-2010, 08:37 PM

Steve are the screws bigger or smaller in diameter?

**ron1950** · 10-13-2010, 09:39 PM

i used the screws that helt the rudder bracket in place...dont know what the size of em are...but worked well lol

**Steven Vaccaro** · 10-13-2010, 10:06 PM

Originally Posted by jac4412

Steve are the screws bigger or smaller in diameter?

A tad larger. I tried 6-32 and those are to large. I will call octura to find out tomorrow.

**hobie** · 10-14-2010, 07:51 AM

Originally Posted by 7500RPM

What an awesome day yesterday! Thanks hobie.
Your boat is amazing faster on just that 4 cell 4200 mah 45c new Hyperion Pack! Ballastic! Need two for that boat! almost no need for 5 cell packs! Again awesome day!!

Hey 7500! Yes, an awesome day! I wish I didn't have to leave!!
Are you going to make it out this weekend at all??

I thought I had taken care of out little otter problem last night.... He got in the way, and I'm out a prop and a shaft!!! Doh!!!! Be he is still swimming the little jerk!!! Lol!!

**tman52804** · 10-14-2010, 11:35 AM

Guys,

Check out this sweet offset rudder mount I received from Kintec Racing. Many thanks to Jan, top notch job on this. I believe he is making a few refinements and they should be available soon.

**Darin Jordan** · 10-14-2010, 11:41 AM

I like it!

**tman52804** · 10-14-2010, 11:58 AM

Yes, I like that I can still use my nylon shear bolts, and it has rudder offset location options.
I believe he is going to elimate the offset holes that are not being used and add another set to allow the rudder to be offset closer to the transom to get further out of the prop wash.
One could aways modify the stock rudder bracket by adding addional holes as well.

**scoota** · 10-16-2010, 03:00 AM

I found these 25mm threaded spacers in a electronics shop ,5 bucks for a pack of 8, they work really well to do the conversion ... Had to file a bit off the rudder arm to clear the swivel point for the rudder ....

**scoota** · 10-16-2010, 03:02 AM

Here is the brand of those spacers....

**onegreenray** · 10-16-2010, 06:39 AM

now couldn't you still put in a nylon screw in the bottom strut in case you hit a log or in my case a snapping turtle. i have one that is about 12 inches across in the pond i drive at.

**ron1950** · 10-16-2010, 03:34 PM

ran this morning for first time after rudder conversion and guess what? NO bounce....642 prop batteries even with bulkhead at the flexshaft coupler.....man i love it now even more lol.....shot a bigger roster tail with rudder out of the way also.....

**ray schrauwen** · 10-18-2010, 12:25 AM

I ran mine today with stock BJ motor power.

I made my own offset's so i could make the linkage a straight shot with no bends.

The boat is fast but, running in 6"+ chop & heavy winds made for least favorable driving conditions.

Not happy after 3 runs and one flip the hatch is toasted!

The cooling tube was moved before I ran it....

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