VENOM EKOS 4S 5000mah LIKE BUTTER

[Steven Vaccaro]

DON'T WANT TO BE A BROKEN RECORD...BUT..I AM NOT
TELLING ANYONE TO DO ANYTHING,THE MOTORS ARE RATED @ 14.4V
AND THE ESC"S ARE RATED @22.2v...SO WHY NOT GO FOR BROKE,IMO NO ONE HAS FOUND
THE OPTIMUM SET-UP FOR THIS BOAT YET.IT IS NOT IN THE FORM OF 3s THAT MUCH I CAN
TELL YOU FROM 8 WFO RUNS WITH SMALL ISSUES BEING FIXED AS THEY COME UP.
THE ELECTRONIC ARE SOUND, EVERYONE IS TRYING TO RUN THESE TINHGS @ FULL TILT
RIGHT OUT OF THE BOX...SLOW AND STEDY WILL PRODUCE A FAST,RELIABLE BOAT

I don't want to sound like that record either.
But its pretty simple, "Joe" new guy reads your topic tittle
"VENOM EKOS 4S 5000mah LIKE BUTTER" and gets what out of it?
Then he opens the thread and reads you're info on the first post and gets first gets what out of it? To me it says 4s isn't a problem with this boat.
I and a host of many, many users disagree.
As a matter of fact a national record holder that races all over the country baked the motors on 4s. And he has years of experience.

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad you have a successful running boat. Just warring people to watch out.

[scubasteve95]

LETS ALL JUST TAKE A DEEP BREATH
PEOPLE WILL READ AND TAKE FROM THAT READING WHAT EVER IS IN
THERE BEST INTEREST,I CAN ONLY COMMENT ON THE DATA I HAVE COLLECTED.
IF SOMEONE IS GOING TO BUY THIS BOAT AND JUST THROW IT INTO THE WATER
DAMAGE IT AND THEN BLAME THE MANUFACTURER THERE IS NO WAY FOR US TO STOP IT.
PEOPLE NEED TO TAKE RESPONCEABILY FOR THERE OWN ACTIONS.
I READ ALL THE POST BEFORE I PURCHASED MY EKOS,I TALKED TO VEMON AND
I AM STILL RUNNING 4s...THAT IS ON MY HANDS.FROM
WHAT I CAN TELL THAT WHAT ALOT OF PEOPLE DID
ON THIS FORUM ,ALL I KEPT HEARING IS VENOM SUCKS,VENOM SUCK,
BOYCOT VENOM,GUT THE BOAT BEFORE YOU RUN IT AND
SO-ON AND SO-ON...FOR MY MONEY VENOM IS A
TOP NOTCH COMPANY AND THERE ITEMS ARE THE SAME,
THAT ALSO GOES FOR THERE TECH SUPPORT(JAMES)
I DONT KNOW WHAT I TRYING TO REALLY SAY ACCEPT
DO YOUR OWN HOME WORK ON EVERY THING YOU BUY
...ITS NOT ALWAYS THE OTHER GUYS FAULT.
I AM SORRY IF I GAVE OR MISLEAD ANYONE INTO ANY PROBLEMS.

[Brushless55]

DON'T WANT TO BE A BROKEN RECORD...BUT..I AM NOT
TELLING ANYONE TO DO ANYTHING,THE MOTORS ARE RATED @ 14.4V
AND THE ESC"S ARE RATED @22.2v...SO WHY NOT GO FOR BROKE,IMO NO ONE HAS FOUND
THE OPTIMUM SET-UP FOR THIS BOAT YET.IT IS NOT IN THE FORM OF 3s THAT MUCH I CAN
TELL YOU FROM 8 BACK TO BACK 8MINS EACH WFO RUNS WITH SMALL ISSUES BEING FIXED AS THEY COME UP.
THE ELECTRONICS ARE SOUND, EVERYONE IS TRYING TO RUN THESE THINGS @ FULL TILT
RIGHT OUT OF THE BOX...SLOW AND STEDY WILL PRODUCE A FAST,RELIABLE BOAT

That's just it, these esc's can take 6s like most any other esc on the marker.. even the UL-1 and SV esc can take that, but we don't want to push them, they will smoke in a boat with all the amps boats can pull constantly

[Brushless55]

Several people have smoked these boats only running 3s and they knew what they were doing..
this thread is sounding more like its the owners fault not Venom?
Venom has left many customers without for several months, I cannot say they are a top notch company at all
someone form their company kept coming to several websites blaming the user and leaving them without customer service

James at Vemom is a standup guy, he told me months ago they were about to fire someone at Vemon who was causing issues for them with this boat

[FighterCat57]

Several people have smoked these boats only running 3s and they knew what they were doing..
this thread is sounding more like its the owners fault not Venom?
Venom has left many customers without for several months, I cannot say they are a top notch company at all
someone form their company kept coming to several websites blaming the user and leaving them without customer service

James at Vemom is a standup guy, he told me months ago they were about to fire someone at Vemon who was causing issues for them with this boat

I've talked with James, for a short bit. He was the guy that left the voice message that caused my original margarita inspired rant. Once I talked with him on the phone, he took care of the situation, no questions asked. Good deal.

[scubasteve95]

People,
i an not defending anyone or the other....
All i was trying to do is give some field teted data
on a boat that imo really needed it(i like that imo)
the esc's should be not where near peak @14.8v...
The motors on the other hand are.....
So extra cooling was my aim to keep them from meltdown

[scubasteve95]

As far as venom goes,
for me as i stated they are as good as it gets....(next to traxxas)
sorry james..your still the guy

[Rumdog]

The voltage isn't the only issue. It's amperage. They are only 60 amp esc's. The motors are 3s motors. That is that. The kv is too high for 4s and they are too small to turn upgrade props or run 4s. high kv plus 4s equals high temps, high amps and amp spikes and premature hardware ware and breakage. Just like you said, people are taking them outta the box and pushing the boat to and beyond the limits. This is EXACTLY what you are doing. None of the equipment in this hull is sufficient for 4s. The failures everyone else has had should tell you that. You have done nothing different thus far. Just lucky. adding more cooling is like a bandage on a giant wound. The components will still produce excessive heat whether or not water is running around or over them. Please don't take this as being mad either. It is just fact. Ask everyone else with an EKOS. So. I'd say 4s is like burned sh*$, not butter.

[scubasteve95]

THE MOTORS ARE 14.8v = 4s
NO MATTER WHO OR WHAT YOU RUN YOU WILL HAVE SPIKES
AND WARE/BREAKAGE..LUCK AS YOU PUT IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH
IT BECAUSE I LEFT MY RABBITS FOOT @ HOME THE LAST 4 WEEKENDS.
I TUNED THE ESC'S DOWN FROM 11.8 TO 0
SET THE STINGERS TO 0,ALL OF THE OTHERS DID NONE OF THAT OR ANYTHING
OTHER THAN GREASE AND GO FROM THE POSTS I HAVE SEEN.
BURNT SH*$ SOMEDAY...BUT....NOT TODAY
HEAT WILL HAPPEN ,BUT BEING A FIREFIGHTER I DO
KNOW 6 HOSES ARE BETTER THEN ONE.

[scubasteve95]

AS FOR EVERYONE ELSE HAVING PROBLEMS.....I UNLIKE MANY OTHERS
ONLY SPEAK FOR MYSELF AND MY FIELD TESTING /DATA COLLECTED.
36mm PROPS,4s 5000mah 0 DEGREES TIMING HAS WORKED.
RUNNING ANY BOAT WFO ALL THE TIME LIKE I DO WILL CAUSE MALFUNCTION
WARE ETC.THE SMALL AMOUNT OF MONEY SPENT AND THE 4 WEEKENDS I HAVE
RUN THIS BOAT ,SHE OWES ME NOTHING.

[Brushless55]

AS FOR EVERYONE ELSE HAVING PROBLEMS.....I UNLIKE MANY OTHERS
ONLY SPEAK FOR MYSELF AND MY FIELD TESTING /DATA COLLECTED.
36mm PROPS,4s 5000mah 0 DEGREES TIMING HAS WORKED.
RUNNING ANY BOAT WFO ALL THE TIME LIKE I DO WILL CAUSE MALFUNCTIONWARE ETC.THE SMALL AMOUNT OF MONEY SPENT AND THE 4 WEEKENDS I HAVE
RUN THIS BOAT ,SHE OWES ME NOTHING.

All FE boats should be able to run Wide Open
that's how races are ran

[Brushless55]

The voltage isn't the only issue. It's amperage. They are only 60 amp esc's. The motors are 3s motors. That is that. The kv is too high for 4s and they are too small to turn upgrade props or run 4s. high kv plus 4s equals high temps, high amps and amp spikes and premature hardware ware and breakage. Just like you said, people are taking them outta the box and pushing the boat to and beyond the limits. This is EXACTLY what you are doing. None of the equipment in this hull is sufficient for 4s. The failures everyone else has had should tell you that. You have done nothing different thus far. Just lucky. adding more cooling is like a bandage on a giant wound. The components will still produce excessive heat whether or not water is running around or over them. Please don't take this as being mad either. It is just fact. Ask everyone else with an EKOS. So. I'd say 4s is like burned sh*$, not butter.

[scubasteve95]

Forever AND EVER?

[scubasteve95]

You never break down?

[Rumdog]

I don't care what it may say on the motor, or what venom says. In a boat, those are 3s motors. FE boats run more efficiently at full throttle than anything else. There will actually be less heat and amperage draw than if you a re on and off the throttle all the time. Venom IS at fault. THEY produced the first vid of the boat. THEY ran it on 4s. Did it tell you in the instructions to change the esc timing to get reliable runs? NO. Should everyone who buys it have to be on the phone with customer service all the time just to have a reliable boat? NO. The fact is, plainly, it isn't a 4s boat. In fact, it doesn't seem to be a reliable 3s boat. I understand that yours may be running well, but look around you, ask others. Venom, in rtr boats is not number 1.

[Steven Vaccaro]

THE MOTORS ARE 14.8v = 4s

I hate to sound argumentative, but that is just a specification. Just because a motor is rated to 14.8 volts doesn't mean it will run at that voltage in any given setup. Saying that is showing a lack of understanding on how these motors work.

[FighterCat57]

Steve, you're trolling and doing a good job of it. Enjoy the taste of *!***!***!***!** cuz you're going to eat it.

The EKOS is advertised as an RTR. Ready to run, when in fact it is not. Bolts are loose, couplers are inadequate and there is no safety system on it's prop shafts. An RTR, is just that, pull it out of the box, pop a battery in and go!

What you get when you but the "King of Shaves" Ready to run boat, is instant failure. It requires prep work, it requires maintenance after every run. It is an advanced level of equipment, not an RTR and certainly not for a beginner or intermediate level owner.

An RTR is more like a Villain or a Wildcat or Rio. You know I've never touched the drives or couplers in my little wildcat? Neat little boat, probably had 50 packs run through it. Uses the same couplers and they've never failed.

Compared to other boats in it's class, like the Apparition, the EKOS is a completly cheap POS. The rudder mount is stamped steel. The coupler and dog set screws are cheap mild steel, the aluminum used for the prop nuts is less than 70/30 and poorly machined, the prop dogs are the same. The stingers use steel ball bearings that rust when exposed to water, the couplers are a joke and the same size used on a brushed mini boat.

Oh, Steevo back to you. It's jack asses like you who mess up the warranty process for guys like us who have real problems. Why? You ignore the recommendations and then whine when stuff doesn't work. You have no idea WTF you are doing setting up a boat. You have no amp readings, know nothing about amp draw, prop selection or how RPM affects bearings. You're an idiot. Every post you make confirms it just that much more.

Nobody here is upset or mad with you or what you say. You're just stating info out of your ass as if it's fact and being corrected.

It's neat that you've been getting away with stuff, good for you. The cells you're using aren't nearly putting out what they are rated at. If they were, you'd be whining about your ESC failure or your Motor heat, get it? 20c is cheap *!***!***!***!**.

OK, that's about all the truth I can handle for tonight.

I'm DONE with EKOS & Venom and Steevo- Troll along... you seem to like the taste of *!***!***!***!**.

[scubasteve95]

NEVER ASKED VENOM ABOUT THE TIMING OR ANY
OTHER SET-UP I HAVE USED,VENOM CLEARLY SAYS
3s 5200mah AND TIMING @11.8
IT JUST SEEMS TO BE A SMARTER THING TO DO IF
YOU ARE GOING TO RUN HIGH VOLTS
NOT A RELIABLE BOAT ON 2, 3 OR 4s FOR SOMEONE ELSE IS
OF NO CONCERN OF MINE,I FEEL BAD FOR ALL THOSE PEOPLE
BUT TAKE THE CORN OUT OF YOUR EARS AND LISTEN
TO WHAT IM SAYING,THIS IS THE BOAT I HAVE.IT IS RUNNING ON 4s 5000mah WITH
NO ISSUSES.YOU SAY IT IS IMPOSIBLE TO DO YET I'M DOING IT ALL DAY.
THATS IT.NOT GOING TO SEE WHO CAN PISS LONGER...I AM NOT TELLING THE WORLD
TO RUN 4s OR ANY OTHER SET-UP...THIS WORKS FOR ME AND I ONLY SPEAK FOR ME.
ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE BOAT,SET-UP,CONFIG, I'LL GIVE YOU...
AND FOR ME AND ME ALONE
VENOM AND MINICAT RACING ARE #1 IN BOATS ........FOR ME.

[scubasteve95]

Hey ben,
never whined about anything
or had any reason to,get back on your meds
you guys are to uptight.
All i have ever said is what im doing you bent it all out
of shape because you had problems with venom,but
after all your bellyacking venom was still there for you.

[Steven Vaccaro]

I'm glad you are running 4s and having fun.

For the rest of the new guys out there. Venom Racing suggests using 3s. I suggest 3s and a bunch of experienced racers that use these suggest 3s. So buyer beware. 4s is fun but it may bit you in the butt.

I guess this thread has run its course. This thread is now done.