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[Darin Jordan]

Opposing everything Obama does just for the sake of opposing him is totally foolish. Using your and your rightie logic, you would trash him if he tried to give you a Rolls Royce!

Calling Obama a liar!? Jeeez, after 8 long years of lies by YOUR SIDE, that's really a stretch. You really do have to stop drinkin the koolaid man!

Can you GET any more off base! You have such selective reading and such a one-way interpretation... or should I say PRE-DETERMINED interpretation, that it's hard to even have a serious conversation here... I say something, and you just ignore it and put your own idea of what I "really meant" on it... Stop making crap up!

WHO said anything about "trashing everything Obama does just for the sake of opposing him"???

The IDEAS, PLANS, SOLUTIONS being put forth are CRAP! I don't care WHO is proposing or supporting them... They will bankrupt this country... they WON'T make healthcare less expensive, and they simply WON'T WORK. What does ANY of that have to do with WHO is proposing the ideas...

I'll say it again... JUST because the Dems... the "Annointed Ones"... propose an idea, it doesn't make it a GOOD IDEA; one that is infallible, without flaw... or even feasible... You people need to start seeing this crap for what it is... because it's NOT me right now that is concerned with party affiliation... I'm soley focuses on the BS being put forth, and the manner in which it's being shoved down our throats...

Also... It's getting a little old for you guys to keep using what happened over the past 8-years, etc., to justify what you are doing today... "Bush lied, so we can lie even more"... "Bush took away some freedoms, so we can take away even more..."... "Bush ran a 800-Billion deficit, so we should be able to run 10-times that"...

Give me a break!

[domwilson]

This system is so broken, there's enough blame to go around for everyone.

What would you do to fix it?
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[sailr]

You DO oppose everything Obama does! You are so obvious it is laughable. I am not making anything up. You thought everything Bush did was just dandy and yet he lied to you on a regular basis. You are so entrenched into the hatred and misinformation from the Right, the GOP that you are totally blinded. You are like arguing with a rock! Nuf sed.

Can you GET any more off base! You have such selective reading and such a one-way interpretation... or should I say PRE-DETERMINED interpretation, that it's hard to even have a serious conversation here... I say something, and you just ignore it and put your own idea of what I "really meant" on it... Stop making crap up!

WHO said anything about "trashing everything Obama does just for the sake of opposing him"???

The IDEAS, PLANS, SOLUTIONS being put forth are CRAP! I don't care WHO is proposing or supporting them... They will bankrupt this country... they WON'T make healthcare less expensive, and they simply WON'T WORK. What does ANY of that have to do with WHO is proposing the ideas...

I'll say it again... JUST because the Dems... the "Annointed Ones"... propose an idea, it doesn't make it a GOOD IDEA; one that is infallible, without flaw... or even feasible... You people need to start seeing this crap for what it is... because it's NOT me right now that is concerned with party affiliation... I'm soley focuses on the BS being put forth, and the manner in which it's being shoved down our throats...

Also... It's getting a little old for you guys to keep using what happened over the past 8-years, etc., to justify what you are doing today... "Bush lied, so we can lie even more"... "Bush took away some freedoms, so we can take away even more..."... "Bush ran a 800-Billion deficit, so we should be able to run 10-times that"...

Give me a break!

[domwilson]

Daaang.... Post #25..Where are you?

[RCprince]

They think so. Perhaps that's why their elitist attitude is so offensive to those of us on the Right who are educated. And there is no lack of top brains on the Right, but you Wrong-wingers can't see that.

Andy

The defense rest permanently http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUPMjC9mq5Y

[domwilson]

You guys are definitely passionate about your views. I'll give that to ya.

http://www.nchc.org/facts/cost.shtml

[domwilson]

The defense rest permanently http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUPMjC9mq5Y

You're killing me. I fell out my seat listening to these people.

[RCprince]

You're killing me. I fell out my seat listening to these people.

These people vote...

[Rumdog]

The economy here in Michigan sure is in a little upswing right now. Things are starting to look better. Does anyone realize what would have happened without the big 3 bailouts? I know that people hated the idea of bailing them out, but in the long run. it will save a lot of money and families. When it comes to the idea of healthcare reform, i'm not so sure why people are so damned pissed. Especially when you will have the option to keep your current plan, how are you effected negatively? What do the republicans seem to think? What do they tjink Obama is trying to do? Does he have some kind of sick plan for America's demise? Do they really think that he came up with this plan all on his own? Do you not believe that in Obama's mind he wants to do the right thing? I think he is one damned smart man and I and most of America, while we are entitled to our opinions are in no way in any position to question his strategies. Especially those informed by the mass media.

[Rumdog]

Darin Jordan and all of HIS brilliant ideas for president!!!

[rockwerks]

The economy here in Michigan sure is in a little upswing right now. Things are starting to look better. Does anyone realize what would have happened without the big 3 bailouts? I know that people hated the idea of bailing them out, but in the long run. it will save a lot of money and families. When it comes to the idea of healthcare reform, i'm not so sure why people are so damned pissed. Especially when you will have the option to keep your current plan, how are you effected negatively? What do the republicans seem to think? What do they tjink Obama is trying to do? Does he have some kind of sick plan for America's demise? Do they really think that he came up with this plan all on his own? Do you not believe that in Obama's mind he wants to do the right thing? I think he is one damned smart man and I and most of America, while we are entitled to our opinions are in no way in any position to question his strategies. Especially those informed by the mass media.

The bailouts of the auto companies was the biggest mistake this country made. If Toyota can make a ton of profit and pay their employees less and still have great benefit package for their employees. (Toyota's make in this country). Both Chrysler and GM should have been let got bankrupt and file chapter 11.

This would have made all union contracts invalid and made suppliers be placed on hold. We then could have come in renegotiated the contracts, and retooled the companies to actually produce viable products. It would have saved jobs in the long run and given the companies a solid foot to stand on.

You are seeing a small upturn in the economy and trust me it will be short lived. You will see additional easing over the next few months just before rampant inflation starts to set in.

You want to revamp health care? then allow a 100% IRS deduction up to 2400 per year family for insurance premiums. The deduction would be before taxes on your weekly paycheck. That would mean that 95% of those who can not now afford health care because they fall into the middle class or are self employed.

[domwilson]

What about pre-existing conditions? What about denial of coverage? What about cancelling coverage? What about misdiagnosis that puts you in a pre-existing category? What about fraud? What about insurers making late payments to healthcare providers?
Heck! What about all the problems our current system has?

[Rumdog]

Are you a fortune teller? I'm glad that you know what will happen in the future.Rampant inflation of what, all goods and services? I myself drive a Toyota. The fact that they are still far superior in quality to American cars is what helps Japanese owned brands. I guess only time will tell on the bailout and healthcare reform though. I'm just curious if all the repubs and/or righties would admit they've been wrong if these plans do pan out. I doubt it.

[Rumdog]

Who cares right Dom, he's a damned socialist heel bent on the destruction of the American way!

[domwilson]

We all have a right to our opinions. All we can do is provide information that will help them in coming to their own conclusions. Who knows who's right? But we can't give up trying to better things. That's what makes us americans. That and the fact that we like to argue about everything.

[rockwerks]

What about pre-existing conditions? What about denial of coverage? What about cancelling coverage? What about misdiagnosis that puts you in a pre-existing category? What about fraud? What about insurers making late payments to healthcare providers?
Heck! What about all the problems our current system has?

You actually think any of that would get better if run by the government? You would be sadly mistaken. Remember these are the guys who pay 10,000.00 for a toilet seat for the pentegon!

Or used 84,000 of taxpayer money for a night on the town in NY

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Lets look at IHS (Indian Health services) this program is so late on making payment to heath care providers that the patients have been cut off from service in places around AZ where I used to live.

[domwilson]

One more thing. Health insurance premiums do affect profitability with all businesses. Higher healthcare costs are putting a stranglehold on american businesses. As costs rise businesses have to adjust the cost of their products and services or cut corners in quality to compensate, while others to stay competitive will "farm out" labor to other countries that offer lower operational costs. Do these countries have a nationalized healthcare system? Someone should research that. China, India, Mexico, etc.
What I'm saying is healthcare costs affects us all, whether directly or indirectly.

[domwilson]

You actually think any of that would get better if run by the government? You would be sadly mistaken. Remember these are the guys who pay 10,000.00 for a toilet seat for the pentegon!

Or used 84,000 of taxpayer money for a night on the town in NY

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Lets look at IHS (Indian Health services) this program is so late on making payment to heath care providers that the patients have been cut off from service in places around AZ where I used to live.

I was asking relative questions...somehow the train has jumped the track here..Um er...
How about those Steelers?

[rockwerks]

You where talking about health care and the gummit stepping in, they waste more money in one month than the private sector in a year. That is the underlying issue. If the gummit wants to help set up coops with insurance companies and regulate the premiums. Then losses can be spread over many companies to soak up potential losses. as for preexisting conditions the gummit could provide a rider to insurance companies to cover that for a 24 month period. at a fraction of the cost. There are a million ideas out there that would be much more practical and cost less but that is not what Obama wants.

[domwilson]

You where talking about health care and the gummit stepping in, they waste more money in one month than the private sector in a year. That is the underlying issue. If the gummit wants to help set up coops with insurance companies and regulate the premiums. Then losses can be spread over many companies to soak up potential losses. as for preexisting conditions the gummit could provide a rider to insurance companies to cover that for a 24 month period. at a fraction of the cost. There are a million ideas out there that would be much more practical and cost less but that is not what Obama wants.

Not disputing that the government wastes ALOT of tax payers money. The government is not (not supposed to be) a profit generating corporation. But the medical industry has as a whole has colluded to raise costs, reduce quality of service and take everyone, that means you, me, the government, for a wild ride. We are paying far too much and getting far too little. There used to be a saying, "At least you have your health." Well not anymore 'cause someone or something wants to make a generous profit off of it. And many peoples consensus on the matter is, "Well if you can't afford it, to hell with you." Heck, if someone would come up with a plan to get these costs down, make healthcare accessible to every U.S. citizen at a very affordable rate with good quality of care, I'm for it. I'm even for a healthcare quality rating service. Where healthcare providers are rated on their services. I also would like some transparency with their billing practices. Would you take you car in for repairs and not get an estimate?

[domwilson]

I'll state this again, If you don't like the proposed system of reform, what would you do?

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[rockwerks]

I'll state this again, If you don't like the proposed system of reform, what would you do?

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I have said what I would do. over and over again.

[domwilson]

You where talking about health care and the gummit stepping in, they waste more money in one month than the private sector in a year. That is the underlying issue. If the gummit wants to help set up coops with insurance companies and regulate the premiums. Then losses can be spread over many companies to soak up potential losses. as for preexisting conditions the gummit could provide a rider to insurance companies to cover that for a 24 month period. at a fraction of the cost. There are a million ideas out there that would be much more practical and cost less but that is not what Obama wants.

I couldn't find them. But the ideas you have presented here seem sound enough.

[RCprince]

I watched this video 4 times, and I understand why we still have an electoral college.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUPMjC9mq5Y

[RCprince]

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[AndyKunz]

What about insurers making late payments to healthcare providers?

Go down to your local car dealer. Ask him how much of the $4500 he's seen for the Clunkers program, and how long it took to get it.

Ask your doctor how long it takes to get paid by Medicare. Sure, the check comes EVENTUALLY, but in the mean time the gov't is taking a loan from an unwilling lender.

Andy

[Punisher 67]

What a freaking CROCK!

Almost NO ONE in America... including Hannity, Rush, and Beck, thinks that "Health Care Reform" doesn't need to happen... That's a BS line of CRAP put forth by the Lefties who are trying everything in the book to grow the government to monumental proportions... They WANT CONTROL of everything and will stop at nothing to get it...

Obama is a freaking LIAR, as proven OVER and OVER and OVER again by the facts... His little speach, in which he continually says that there are NO solutions being put forth by the right, proves this point...

HR3400 is and MANY, MANY, MANY other Republican bills and amendmants have been rejected over and over and over again by the Dems... Pelosi and Reid have refused to even listen to any other ideas... And Obama's "open door" has NEVER let in a Republican group to discuss "their ideas"...


http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/po...-58644807.html


Non-Partisanship, in the Obama camp, means that we will just blindly agree with what they want to do... otherwise, we are racist, "playing politics", etc...

It's all a freaking snow job, fueled by media hype, and intent on covering up the current regimes intent on grabbing up as much power as possible, and, in turn, as much of YOUR money as possible...

YOU people need to WAKE UP and get real.... To think that MOST Americans would be AGAINST saving money, which is EXACTLY what you are saying when you suggest they are against "Health Care Reform", is just buying into media hype and exactly what they want you to think... You are a bunch of pawns, being manipulated by these people, for THEIR own political purposes...

WAKE UP!!!

Darin are you talking to me , I am only quoting what has been put forth on this forum.....no where else , there have been debates both ways but the general idea I got was a lot of you didn't want it

I don't listen to the news , yours or ours , thats always been a sensationalized black hole of crap

[sailr]

Outstanding video! It shows the level of ignorance of those who buy into the right wing lies. People like Beck easily stir up the emotions of STUPID people who don't try to go find the truth...they only regurgitate his rhetoric. Case in point is toward the end of the video where there are people protesting czar's. When the interviewer points out that the czars started under Ronald Reagan, they are speechless! Such a high level of ignorance permeates the right and the sycophants of the Republican party. This is very dangerous.

The defense rest permanently http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUPMjC9mq5Y

[sailr]

That's the tragedy of the whole thing. Stupid is as Stupid does. Look who they elected twice!

These people vote...

[sailr]

Darin said: "It's all a freaking snow job, fueled by media hype, and intent on covering up the current regimes intent on grabbing up as much power as possible, and, in turn, as much of YOUR money as possible..."

Darin, where were you during the Bush years? Your statement was more true then as it is now. You say you're tired of hearing about Bush? We are not tired of rubbing it in your face that it was Bush that started our current economic crisis and did nothing but lie to us. Where were you to condemn him? It's totally amazing to me that you cough up the talking points of the right now that the left is in control. Right is right and wrong is wrong and Bush was more wrong than the left is now! Can you get your mind around that? I doubt it. Your mind is closed to any reasonable discussion unless it agrees with the rhetoric, hate, and lies of Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity, Fox news, etc. Step outside of your deadlocked mind for a moment and use your own reasoning. You might find it refreshing.