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Joysway Razor 37 inch bare hull mono assembly
I picked up an old, unused fiberglass hull and hatch that was the Joysway Invincible Razor mono. The hull is 950mm/37in. x 255mm/10in. I found the original instruction manual online from years ago when it was out. I also found some reviews of it at the time. This boat has lived in a few different configurations including most recently the Joysway Alpha/Hobbyking HydroPro Inception (although these are now ABS hulls with outrunner motors, but very similar to the Razor from what I can tell).
For $55 for the hull I figured, what they heck, I'll make this my first Fast Electric build/assembly (I have a few other boats, some FE RTRs and some scale models I built). Through some research on the forums and looking at the original instruction manual, I put together a parts list. Steve V. was kind enough to review my setup and made a few suggestions so now I have all the parts and I'm ready to build/assemble!
Here are some pictures of the hull and parts. I'll list all the parts out in a separate post along with a few questions for you more experienced modelers. My objective is to make this a sport boat that I can play with at the lake with my kids and our other boats. Speed is not my main concern. I was looking at 6S power and RPM up to 30k. 40mph is, I think, an achievable goal and for the ponds and lakes we run in, that should be fast enough. Faster might be more fun, but it needs to handle the high winds and waves we see most of the season in Northwest IL.
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First test run a success ... mostly!
The pond defrosted, at least for now, so we got out and ran some boats today. The big news is the sea trials of the Invincible Razor today. The first run was only about 2 minutes to get a read on how it runs and to gather some initial data with the 42mm prop. The weather was about 50 degrees F, sunny and breezy and the water was probably 40F so everything stayed really cool. It ran better than I expected for a first time out. I didn't get a speed reading, but I was happy with it. Amp draw maxed at 83A, max watts at 1,833 and max RPM at 28,020. I went back and ran it with the 45mm prop and it maxed at 120A but averaged 100A. That run was short because I wanted to check the Amp draw. Good thing it was short because I discovered that I got the water cooling line wrapped around the shaft, tore the motor mount from the hull and flooded the inside due to the shredded water line. The boat still ran for what we assume was another minute or so with the motor mount dislodged and spun around. Hopefully, once everything dries out the repairs won't take long.
The pond is too small for this boat and speed! I need the lake to thaw for some real runs!
Here's a screen grab from the video we shot. I'm editing the video now and will post it in a few days.
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Prop testing done - Ready to play!
I completed prop testing and have ordered an Octura x447, sharpened and balanced already since I've never done that myself. This boat with this setup runs right around 40mph (64kph). I think it's running a little wet, but I didn't change anything as I wanted to get all of my data and speeds with the same setup. Besides, assuming I can dial it in better, the numbers and temps should look better too!
Now that I have access to a lake where I can run full speed for more than a few seconds, this should be a lot more fun. Plus, the lake gets bigger waves when it gets windy (no motor boats allowed on this lake) so I can play with stinger and trim tab setups to optimize what I have.
Here are all of the detailed prop testing results from multiple days starting in mid-March 2021 through early-April 2021, minus temperatures:
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I'll post additional videos this month!
And while this boat's not a real fast FE, for the places I can run it and since I'm not racing it, this will be perfect ... until, or if, I feel the need for more speed and then it should be a pretty simple platform to upgrade! :biggrin:
Help needed, is it running wet?
I spent a lot of time testing to get the right prop for the Invincible Razor custom build and now that I'm running it for fun, I'm noticing more that it probably needs further setup work.
Here is the video over 2 days running it with the same setup, just different water conditions. I have not adjusted the stinger yet and I can shift the batteries back to get the CoG to about 26% compared to the 28% it's running at during these clips. Should I add positive angle to the stinger to get the bow higher? Or is this running well enough for just playing around at the lake and not racing?
As mentioned in the earlier posts, it's two 3-cell LiPos for 6S total, a Leopard 4082 1250kv motor, 150A ESC and a sharpened and balanced Octura x447 prop.
Motor and ESC temps stay under 90F and the batteries were just over 100F both days.
Thanks in advance for any advice! I added a link to the video but also embedded it here, so one should work.
https://youtu.be/sg1DVxHCMzg
Seeking additional setup opinions
I think my CoG needs to be moved and I'm hoping for some advice. I have been running my Joysway Invincible Razor quite a bit this summer so far and need some advice. I have seen my boat go airborne a few too many times, even when it's not that windy. With my batteries full forward in the battery trays, my CoG is 28/29%. I'm thinking I need to make new battery trays to get the CoG further forward, maybe 32% (which on this hull is moving the CoG an inch closer to the bow).
My question is, to get the best overall performance from the boat, a fun/sport boat, not a racer, should I move the CoG or angle the trim tabs more and/or angle the stinger down?
My thought all along was that I would only angle the stinger and/or trim tabs down when the water gets rough. To keep the thing from going airborne, I move the CoG. Is that correct?
Thank you in advance for the help!