TP Power- New style

[lenny]

Ok,
I was not sure if I should open it up or just leave it alone.

And I am still not sure on what the timing should be on it.

Also are they new threads and screws in the endbell on this motor than ?

I thought you said you where going to put socket head cap screws in it,
From the old post thread you did on it.

Also note that when I tested it last night on the bench I also was checking temps on the setup and motor,
And the motor did hit 106f while it was running and all other temps were room at 80f.
This test was done with no water flowing or cooling of any kind for about two minutes of on and off throttle,
To try and find out what it sounded like and feel for any vibrations coming from it.

[Basstronics]

At 15 degrees timing you put a lot of heat into it, pretty sure thats a D wind motor. Set timing low- like 0 degrees. Most TP Power motors are D wind.

[smileday]

0 to 10 degree is the setting we suggested. 0 might be better.

Ok,
I was not sure if I should open it up or just leave it alone.

And I am still not sure on what the timing should be on it.

Also are they new threads and screws in the endbell on this motor than ?

I thought you said you where going to put socket head cap screws in it,
From the old post thread you did on it.

Also note that when I tested it last night on the bench I also was checking temps on the setup and motor,
And the motor did hit 106f while it was running and all other temps were room at 80f.
This test was done with no water flowing or cooling of any kind for about two minutes of on and off throttle,
To try and find out what it sounded like and feel for any vibrations coming from it.

[smileday]

TP Power offer one-year warranty from the date of purchase for motors that have defects in materials or workmanship. This warranty does not cover damage caused by misuse, damage from crashes or vibration, and damage caused by dirt. Some wear parts supposed to be replaced from time to time are not covered under the warranty, for example, ball bearing, motor wires under extreme stress and so on. For customers in North America, please contact [email protected] for issuing a RMA number. You can describe what's wrong with the motor and we will get back to you asap.

Hi smileday,

So what is covered under RMA for these motors,
And also how does it work for the customer with shipping and handling and repairs if needed ?
Like the old 4050 6D 2200KV version motor that I have.

Thanks for any info on this matter.


4, We apologize for the screw problem. You can send an email for RMA and we can repairs it under warranty. Actually endbell is glued on with enough strength and these screws are just for extra precaution.

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[properchopper]

An Actual On-the-Water Test !!!!!!

Got my hands on a TP Power TP4060 5D 2040KV motor. Took the Neu 1521 1.5D 1900KV motor out of the Cheetah and, for safety's sake on the first run took off the X452 2-blade and replaced it with a 447/3. ESC is a CC Hydra 240 (old style), timing at 4 deg , batteries 4S2P 65C/130C 5000mah Dinogys. VERY IMPRESSIVE !! The Neu with the 452/2 was mid/upper 50 mph - the TP Power motor had me easily at 60 mph (my Garmin gps wouldn't aquire satellites) but this boat RIPPED - Fairly short run, but endbell was at 135 degrees which I believe is quite acceptable. I know there's more speed available, but I got major ya-ya's with this setup

I don't race this boat, it's just for grins. Next I'm going to put the motor in my 34" Insane P-Mono and kick some a$^ on the competition

Verdict : At $119 this is a Great Buy !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cl5ebHR6wR4

[Mike Caruso]

Nice to hear it is a good motor. Yes $$$ wise very good.

[Peter A]

Hi Smileday, motor can has a 2200kv sticker on it. I'll just try propping up for now, I'll also try some rpm measuring at some stage when I have time.

Hi Peter A,

Which version of TP 4050 7D did you get? For the old-version, TP 4050 7D is 1850 KV as shown here:

http://tppower.com/sort.asp?class_id=4&news=23

For the new-version, TP 4050 7D is 1730 KV as shown here:

http://www.tppowerusa.com/motors/build-your-own/tp-40xx-series/tp-4050

Neither version should be 2200 KV for 7D.

If you are talking about TP 4050 6D, then I kind of understand. The old version TP 4050 6D is 2200 KV. That may be because some of our distributors has not updated the data online, so you may get a new version 6D (2010 KV) when you thought you are getting a 2200 one (old version).

Sorry for the confusion. Do you have a tool to measure the real KV of the motor you got?


QUOTE=Peter A;527276]I recently got a TP Power 4050 7D (2200kv). The motor looks great, but the o rings supplied with the cooler were too small in section diameter and slipped straight off the can. I managed to get some bigger o rings that worked great. However this 2200kv motor does not seem as fast as the 2200kv Turigy Aquastar motor it replaced. More testing is needed but I am wondering if I shouldn't have just got another aquastar for about half the price!

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[ray schrauwen]

0 degrees you say? I've heard it doesn't always work so I didn't want to try it. Is there any reason it could cause a problem if I try it?

Thx.

At 15 degrees timing you put a lot of heat into it, pretty sure thats a D wind motor. Set timing low- like 0 degrees. Most TP Power motors are D wind.

[Peter A]

Ok so I ran my rigger today with the tp power motor in it. I haven't got a gps but it was going ok, with a cnc prop 45mm x 1.6. On 7 laps of our course it used around 80% of 5000mah packs. So when I got home I did some testing for kv. With a 2S pack, average voltage of 7.36V, ( pack hadn't been recharged yet), an average of 15204 rpm (unloaded). This gives a kv of 2065. The sticker on the motor I bought says 2200kv, and that was what I ordered.
So I'm definitely going slower than with the cheap aquastar motor I previously was running. This was not the aim, I was wanting to be getting better speed from the tp power motor and feel a bit ripped off as the motor is not doing what it was rated to do! So WTF! I am somewhat disappointed with this as I don't have a lot of spare money to throw around buying stuff.
And the big question is...are TP power motors worth it? I could've brought another aquastar motor and T180 for the price.
The real issue here though is that the motor does not do what it is supposed to, that is around 2000 prop speedys missing. The difference between winning and losing a race??

[smileday]

Your dealer may have ordered the 6D from our company according to the old data on tppower.com (we keep this data unchanged for the buyer of the old version, but should have given the new data to the dealers, need to confirm), but actually got a new version 6D which should be 2010 kv. Not sure about the label thing. The other possibility is measurement error. The data on the USA website is correct for new generation.

You can communicate with your local dealer to see if you can exchange your motor to a 4050 3Y (2220 kv) on their shipping. If not, contact [email protected], address to Candy, describe what you think and see what she said. I do have the 2220 kv in us warehouse but it cost much time and money to ship from here. Contact us is the final solution if she do not have a stock.

Sorry for consuming you some time for looking for a solution. Sometimes confusion may be caused when a product was upgraded to new generation. Hope you understand. In addition, for the same winding, the kv of new generation become lower than the old version one, which is an indication of the improvement of the magnets. You just need to get the one you need to know how powerful it is. Even with the one you have now, it is not necessarily that " I'm definitely going slower than with the cheap aquastar motor I previously was running" since the efficiency of our motors are very high. We have lots of customers who are worlds racers in Europe can prove this. Will publish some email feedbacks after getting their approval on the website in the future.

Ok so I ran my rigger today with the tp power motor in it. I haven't got a gps but it was going ok, with a cnc prop 45mm x 1.6. On 7 laps of our course it used around 80% of 5000mah packs. So when I got home I did some testing for kv. With a 2S pack, average voltage of 7.36V, ( pack hadn't been recharged yet), an average of 15204 rpm (unloaded). This gives a kv of 2065. The sticker on the motor I bought says 2200kv, and that was what I ordered.
So I'm definitely going slower than with the cheap aquastar motor I previously was running. This was not the aim, I was wanting to be getting better speed from the tp power motor and feel a bit ripped off as the motor is not doing what it was rated to do! So WTF! I am somewhat disappointed with this as I don't have a lot of spare money to throw around buying stuff.
And the big question is...are TP power motors worth it? I could've brought another aquastar motor and T180 for the price.
The real issue here though is that the motor does not do what it is supposed to, that is around 2000 prop speedys missing. The difference between winning and losing a race??

[smileday]

Yes, 0 degree works

0 degrees you say? I've heard it doesn't always work so I didn't want to try it. Is there any reason it could cause a problem if I try it?

Thx.

[Basstronics]

With a better more robust motor you should be able to prop up. Did you KV test the Aquastar?

Ok so I ran my rigger today with the tp power motor in it. I haven't got a gps but it was going ok, with a cnc prop 45mm x 1.6. On 7 laps of our course it used around 80% of 5000mah packs. So when I got home I did some testing for kv. With a 2S pack, average voltage of 7.36V, ( pack hadn't been recharged yet), an average of 15204 rpm (unloaded). This gives a kv of 2065. The sticker on the motor I bought says 2200kv, and that was what I ordered.
So I'm definitely going slower than with the cheap aquastar motor I previously was running. This was not the aim, I was wanting to be getting better speed from the tp power motor and feel a bit ripped off as the motor is not doing what it was rated to do! So WTF! I am somewhat disappointed with this as I don't have a lot of spare money to throw around buying stuff.
And the big question is...are TP power motors worth it? I could've brought another aquastar motor and T180 for the price.
The real issue here though is that the motor does not do what it is supposed to, that is around 2000 prop speedys missing. The difference between winning and losing a race??

[lenny]

Well the sucks about your findings with the rigger,
And the Aquastar motor versus the TP motor.
What timing where you using for the TP motor when testing it ?

But hey Peter move over because looks like I am in the same boat as you,
I am pretty sure I have the same 4050 6d 2200kv motor as you do and it has the 4050 2200kv tag on it like yours does.
And I was hoping that the TP 2200kv was going to give me more speed or a lest the same as my Leopard 2200kv,
But not if the kv is that far off on them.

I am going to try and have both motors of mine tested in the lab at work,
To see what the story is on the kv and the magnetic flux density of them with a gauss tester.
I would like to test the 2200kv aquastar motor to and see how it compares to them.

But not sure if I can get the lab time because of some new projects that are going on right now.

Ok so I ran my rigger today with the tp power motor in it. I haven't got a gps but it was going ok, with a cnc prop 45mm x 1.6. On 7 laps of our course it used around 80% of 5000mah packs. So when I got home I did some testing for kv. With a 2S pack, average voltage of 7.36V, ( pack hadn't been recharged yet), an average of 15204 rpm (unloaded). This gives a kv of 2065. The sticker on the motor I bought says 2200kv, and that was what I ordered.
So I'm definitely going slower than with the cheap aquastar motor I previously was running. This was not the aim, I was wanting to be getting better speed from the tp power motor and feel a bit ripped off as the motor is not doing what it was rated to do! So WTF! I am somewhat disappointed with this as I don't have a lot of spare money to throw around buying stuff.
And the big question is...are TP power motors worth it? I could've brought another aquastar motor and T180 for the price.
The real issue here though is that the motor does not do what it is supposed to, that is around 2000 prop speedys missing. The difference between winning and losing a race??

[Basstronics]

Hello Basstronic,

2, We always use the precise cut laminate for the stator manufacturing. Both the new and old version come form the same mold. The internal diameter is the same, as well as the rotor diameter. Their dimensions are designed with computer simulation for best efficiencies.

3, All the magnets we use are of the highest temperature grade and the strengths are as good as the old version if not better.

In addition, for the same winding, the kv of new generation become lower than the old version one, which is an indication of the improvement of the magnets.

[lenny]

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