NAMBA P-LIMITED Motor List - Pro Boat Motors NO LONGER AVAILABLE

[dethow]

Just a friendly reminder

Thanks Doby... I'll back away.

But in my defense... as of right now I am still a member of both NAMBA and IMPBA. Just won't be renewing.
Well, I may renew NAMBA so that I can vote YES on progress and still support an organization which I have nothing bad to say about.

Just bummed I don't have a local NAMBA club to race with.

[Doug Smock]

Phew! I'm glad I didn't hit send on what I had originally typed then...

Me too, that's a long drive!!
And in the future, you've got the number. I always have time to exchange pleasantries!!

[mpschofield]

Yet again this topic gets dragged down the ugly path. It's pretty sad you can't even have a discussion on a forum without dragging all of the dirt into it. Its stupid and just makes anyone read this less interested in the hobby. For me I just hit the unfollow button . Anytime this thread comes up it should just be locked and deleted.

For the record I personally would like to see a P-Spec in the rule book but I also understand the other side of the discussion. I am also in no standing to force the issue. I am a beginner into this side of the hobby and have a ton to learn. I have asked many people on this forum for help and appreciate all of their tips and education on all topics regarding FE. I get both points. But it's also up to the membership to write a rule not the BOD.

Funny part is when a new guy brings a boat to a club you will find a class to let that guy run. Because that's what it's all about, getting people at the pond on the water racing. Doesnt matter what they are running. No one gets into model boating because of the classes offered. Majority of the local hobby shops dont know NAMBA or IMPBA they just want to sell a boat.

Stop and think how silly some of this discussion is. Like Darin said it's for one race. And you can say that about every other class offered in the IMPBA rule book. It matters for one race. Everyone else runs their local rules for district races. And guess what? People dont care! Dave stop bringing up the past. It's done it's over. Time to move on. There are great people in this hobby. No need to drag people through the mud. We need every person we can get.

Lastly, stay patient. Like Doug said the sky isnt falling in the model boat world.

Happy Thanksgiving all! I'm out!


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[dethow]

Dave stop bringing up the past. It's done it's over. Time to move on. There are great people in this hobby. No need to drag people through the mud. We need every person we can get.

Lastly, stay patient. Like Doug said the sky isnt falling in the model boat world.

Thanks Matt... good words of advice. Probably easier for people to move on when they're not the one who has been demonized, blocked, called a jerk and left with no place to race their toy boats. And that's because the leader of my local club won't talk to me and other members made it clear that they'll stand with whatever Terry says on the Subject.

So please pardon me if I’m showing a little more emotion on the Subject. I kicked and screamed because I wanted the rules followed. Yes… I did and this is my punishment.

All that a single sane person had to do was exactly what you did the first time we exchanged an email. Tell me “I believe we are on a path to make the P-Spec a class in the IMPBA rule book.” All my kicking and screaming would have been done a long time ago. But instead we are where we are because a certain small group decided they know what best for the class and there was no need for rules in the book or a full membership vote. And that's what they stuck with for 6 months with me kicking and screaming the whole time. Then you came alone. The voice of reason.

You have a great Thanksgiving as well.

[Steven Vaccaro]

Let's get this back on track. It started off as motors not being available. Let's get it back their and stop the back and forth finger pointing. Take it to a phone call or private message. Going over the same things, time and time again, makes us all look FOOLISH.

HAPPY THANKSGIVING.

[dethow]

Width x length. Somebody pick something so we can not ever talk about it again.

[Doug Smock]

Curious, what motors fit in the 60mm limit that doesn’t fit in a 56.5mm limit AND is currently being raced on a regular basis?

???

This question for guys that are currently racing...

[longballlumber]

Mike,

Do you still have the compiled data for motor can LENGTHS that you were gathering?? Don't care about weights or diameters. Can you just post the list of lengths of all the motors you measured/gathered info on??

Just curious.

These are all I was able to gather back when I ran all those tests... The TFL SSS 3660 and the DYNM3910 (2000 KV BJ26 Motor... the older one) were what my original 61.2mm.

To Greg's Point above, a hard 60mm WILL exclude some otherwise very popular and viable choices. Leopard 3660, for example, is 60.071 on the one I measured.

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Sent via email. It was posted on page 2 of this thread, but is gone now. Even the attachment in your post above seems to be corrupt. Happy Thanksgiving everyone.

https://forums.offshoreelectrics.com...752#post728752

[HTVboats]

Just a thought for 36X60. 36.99 legal 37.00 out, 60.99 legal 37.00 out. Simpler than calling it hard 37X61 and allows all those odd numbers like 36.2 or 60.071 if it drops through a 37 by 61mm inspection template your good. easy to inspect and enforce.
Mic

[Bp9145]

HAPPY THANKSGIVING to everyone and your families. . .let's leave this alone today and enjoy this special day to give thanks . .:)

[Greg Schweers]

I have a question does anyone have a 1415 in a 60.00 can. If you have one I would like to see a close up picture of the end bell

[dethow]

I have a question does anyone have a 1415 in a 60.00 can. If you have one I would like to see a close up picture of the end bell

Greg, I'm pretty sure that would NOT be possible. I think Ray even had an opinion to that effect earlier in this thread.
My 1415s measured 61.5mm. I could see maybe getting them down to 61mm or 60.99mm, but I can't believe 60mm or under would be possible.
I believe this is where the 60mm limit came from. A tool to cut the 1415s out without using a weight limit.

And BTW... this shouldn't just be about the Neu 1415s. This needs to get rid of the possibility of any standard 68mm to 74mm motor being reduced down to a smaller can size. Most of those larger motors have extra room in there just like the standard 1415 which leaves some play to cut the can down. Some examples of other motors we don't want used: Lehner1940, TP3635, and any shown as 3674 that MAY have enough room to be cut down.

Within MMEU, the 62.0mm max length came from the desire to allow the Lehner 1930 WITH fan in the mix. That motor measures exactly 62mm. That same motor WITHOUT the fan is 54.0mm. MMEU was actually going to go with 61mm max but at the last minute this change was made before the vote. I personally had issue with this and tried to speak against it. And in all actuality, if we had just gone with 61.0mm those 1415 motors probably never would have been made and we would probably already have had good proposals and rules voted on in both NAMBA and IMPBA. The extra 1mm made the 1415 look possible. I personally wouldn’t have even tried if the limit was 61mm. I asked Neu to get them to 62mm max as that looked barley possible. To my surprise they where able to get them to 61.5mm.

But with all that said… I support the 60mm limit. That makes PRETTY sure nothing like a Neu 1415 or Lehner 1940 get in the mix. And I also support the 56.5mm idea of Mikes. Maybe even take it out to 57.0mm just to round up and leave a little tolerance. That would make for SURE those motors could never be used and it’s still leave plenty of options. More than we have now.

And BTW... I've heard through the grape vine that some have been saying I'm being a jerk about all this stuff because I'm sore (butt-hurt) about my expensive 1415s being cut out. NOT TRUE.
I BLEW THE WHISTLE ON THE 1415s. And even when I did, a few said they'd be no big deal. I kept persistent until a more trusted voice on the matter spoke up and said they would be a problem. So I'm not mad that my 1415 motors were banned. I was the loudest voice called for them to be banned.

So those out there saying I'm just mad because my expensive motors were banned... JUST STOP... It's not true. And Ken Haines can attest to this as it was a conversation with him which convinced me that the right thing to do was to make sure everyone knew these motors were possible and we had to get them out of the class. And that wasn't Ken convincing me to do it. I told him my opinion that these motors shouldn't be allowed and asked if he thought I was right and should sound the alarm. He agreed and that’s what I did.

I got mad when IMPBA pulled the 62mm proposal that was on their desk and then followed up saying that NOW they'd NEVER allow ANY rule set for a spec class in the rule book. Remember... a member of IMPBA has to write and make a proposal, but that gets nowhere if the BODs don't agree with it and never let it go to a vote. That's why we're all kinda wondering around waiting for an answer from the BODs on what they may find acceptable and THEN a member would be able to write a proposal without it just being a complete waste of time. It has taken my 6+ months of kicking and screaming to get the BODs to move off that stance and now again at least consider a spec rule set.

So those that want to demonize me and view me as the bad guy... If not for me we'd probably have limited/spec rules and the Neu 1415s, Lehner 1940s and TP3635s would have ruined the class. And beyond that we'd have no future rules being considered by IMPBA and we'd have different spec motor rules being decided by a host club only at each years FE Nationals. If you were against what happened with 8th Scale in NAMBA, you should be with me and against that worse scenario happening in IMPBA.

[properchopper]

FWIW NAMBA D19 will, on Dec 8 vote to ratify this P-Ltd rule for THE DISTRICT to start 2019 season:

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[Steven Vaccaro]

FWIW NAMBA D19 will, on Dec 8 vote to ratify this P-Ltd rule for THE DISTRICT to start 2019 season:

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GREAT.

I cant tell you how many regular people are confused about this.

[properchopper]

GREAT.

I cant tell you how many regular people are confused about this.

I agree that on one hand it simplifies sourcing a motor - plenty of acceptable choices to begin with BUT it opens the door to some interesting possibilities for the more "experimentally inclined"

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