Namba membership cards

[properchopper]

Tony, yer a relatively intelligent guy so I'll ask you.....how come?

The safety rules are there to protect us and the organizations from.....well.......us. That's how I always think of it. I have no problem with safety rules. We can't be too safe. We need to force people to be responsible. It's a dangerous hobby. The rules need to actually negate some danger though. IMPBA has the same rule plus or minus. I get grief for questioning these type of rules but how do numbers on shirts or the boats for that matter increase safety? I've been racing a while now and can't for the life of me think of a risk that this requirement addresses. Numbers on my back to identify my body after a tornado? The insurance company says so is not an answer. It's the lazy answer but still not an answer.

It's much like IMPBA requiring batteries be removed from boats for charging. A rule fueled by ignorance that provides no safety. Although that may a bad comparison. Requiring batteries be removed makes sites less safe. The numbers thing merely serves no purpose.

I know............in my best monotone............... Wealljustdowhatwedocuzthat'showit'salwaysbeendoneD on'tquesstionitTerryGetbackinlinewiththerestofthes heeple.

It's in books. There it will remain for ever and ever amen.

Terry,

Honestly I have no idea, but a few thoughts come to mind. To begin with, like the majority of the NAMBA rulebook content, it likely was initially written in prehistoric times to govern things in the nitro and gas world (although electric did exist back in the early days to some extent).

That the "numbers thing" appears in the SAFETY section of the manual might just be 'cause it didn't quite fit anywhere else BUT it also IS the first rule of the section.

Tyler could very well have some accurate insight should he wander into this thread.

Needless to say events at club level (with no National Points aspirations) can pick and choose which rules to follow and which ones won't be observed plus adding any new features (clothing optional pits ? )

[T.S.Davis]

Safety rules are the ones we can't ignore in both orgs. Plus, you've seen these guys. Clothing optional? Just gack'd.

[Doby]

Safety rules are the ones we can't ignore in both orgs. Plus, you've seen these guys. Clothing optional? Just gack'd.

So do we need shirts with our membership number on the back for the Michigan Nats?

[Doby]

Never mind..I looked in section S and couldn't find anything...however....
L. Boats will be checked to see each has an antenna before the race is started

[jaike5]

Michigan is IMPBA!

[Doby]

Michigan is IMPBA!

See my post #19

[Doby]

I'm bored....

Its interesting as to how ambiguous the rules can be...IMPBA for example under General Rules of Competition :

"III – SAFETY AND CODE OF CONDUCT
A. All competitors and clubs agree to follow all safety procedures and code of conduct rules outlined in
Section S of the IMPBA Rule Book"

OK, so all the safety rules in Section S have to be followed.

However, there are very few "shall" and "must" requirements.

Example :4. No person shall be permitted in the water without expressed permission of the Contest Director.

So no one is allowed in the water unless the CD gives permission. Fine, sounds reasonable.

However, safety netting isn't a requirement except in the pits.

Example:

SAFETY NETTING should be placed on all sides of the pond exposed directly to spectators and contestants. Safety nets should be inspected prior to the race for tears and dry rot, and if the net is found to be in a deteriorated state, it should be replaced with new netting prior to use.
Net supports should be spaced no more than 10 feet apart. Any area that is not covered bysafety nets must be kept free of all people and animals during the event with signs and/or ropes
or barriers of some kind.

Yes we have to follow the safety rules, but the safety rules in many cases tell you you don't have to do things.

[Doby]

Sorry for deviating from the Membership card issue of the thread, but Terry opened the door.

[Doug Smock]

Good grief!

[Doby]

Good grief!

I told you, I'm bored!

Maybe I'll open up a new P Limited Motor thread.

[TheShaughnessy]

I told you, I'm bored!

Maybe I'll open up a new P Limited Motor thread.

[rayzerdesigns]

Terry I disagree with ur saying charging batteries in boats is as safe as charging out of boats.. in all reality we should be using lipo bags for charging.. they are required at most tracks(car). As someone that trsvels to races a lot.. I have seen tons of lipo fires.. I’ve seen a lot of equipment including boats burnt to ground.. I have also seen a lipo bag prevent a lot of this carnage.. so it goes to the age old dinosaur thinking. But I do think all lipo charging should be done in a fire proof bag

[T.S.Davis]

Lipo bag is no match for a pair of 6s4k. A Batsafe is the best option.

If a pack catches fire while charging currently at a race what are your options? You can hit it with an extinguisher or dump and on it and hope for the best. If those two things don't contain it you're fire spreads to the table, the other batteries on the table which are now all right next to each other, the other chargers, the boats on the tables, the canopy, the canopies next to you. You're little fire becomes something else. Requiring the packs be removed is the IMPBA rule. Not safer. A big a$$ fire has more potential to injure.

If the burning pack was in a boat...........you at least have the option of relocating the fire away from people. You lose A boat. Who cares about the boat? We're not protecting property. Property isn't insured anyway.

[Steven Vaccaro]

Lipo bag is no match for a pair of 6s4k. A Batsafe is the best option.

If a pack catches fire while charging currently at a race what are your options? You can hit it with an extinguisher or dump and on it and hope for the best. If those two things don't contain it you're fire spreads to the table, the other batteries on the table which are now all right next to each other, the other chargers, the boats on the tables, the canopy, the canopies next to you. You're little fire becomes something else. Requiring the packs be removed is the IMPBA rule. Not safer. A big a$$ fire has more potential to injure.

If the burning pack was in a boat...........you at least have the option of relocating the fire away from people. You lose A boat. Who cares about the boat? We're not protecting property. Property isn't insured anyway.

Terry you are right. While not on exactly a lipo fire, I had a esc fire in florida a few years back on powerup. My son connected 2 4s packs in series instead of parallel and poof. The esc was flaming real good, then shrink of the lipo started to catch fire, I simply tossed the boat off my table, the cat landed on the deck and the lack of air put the fire out rather quickly.

[Doug Smock]

Anyone else have a fire blanket, fire extinguisher, and a bucket of sand within their reach? If not, pit by me I've got you covered.
(I also have a smoke detector in the trailer, PITA when soldering.lol)
I'm thinking I'd go for the fire blanket first but luckily I have no experience with lipo fires.

Regardless I'll follow the rule until it's changed, and I've never known that to happen by yacking on a forum..... just sayin..