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Doug that was the most clear post on this thread...LMAO
Race On
Cheers, Jay.
Race On
Cheers, Jay.
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I nominate Darin to start putting together the NAMBA P-Limited Approved Motor List. How about starting with 6 motors that encompases a minimum of 4 brands.
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Really, after 1 weekend wiff de AtwellsOk reed dis slo is a lot ta take in.
Usen back wouds hillbillys down eer in na SE call dat a clue. Keep it up in it mighten burn ta dang boat down pert near da waterline.
Take ya a par a dikes or sumin and wack just a wee bit off a da tips a dat prop and toss er back out dare. I'm bettin you see a differsce.
Shoot, I seen some boyz take sum off ta tips jus rubin em on a rock an dey boats wer fastern an ey waz ,an ey wernt near az hot. Sumpin bout freezing up em rpm.
Tired motors, we ain nevr hured of sutch a thang. Ide think iffn ey wuz tared ya mussa werked em tu hard. But dats gust me.
Lova ya bro!! Have your buddy's flush the toilets will ya?? Our pond is low.
PS Keep ya an I out fer a bild thred. Imma bild a nu saw boat outa sum sticks and Murtices gurdal!!
Mic Halbrehder
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Sorry Tom, I should have left names out of my post. I my intention wasn't to throw you or you boat design under the bus. Simply, it was a situation where I could prove my point with additional information other than hot air. There is always more to the story for all of these cases.Mike you PROMISED to keep that picture private
and never post it on the internet 
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2 motors, each time making changes in set up, same results, ok on an X642, or x440/3 but too slow. Basic boat design flaw. That boat hasn't seen water since those tests.
I understand Terry's frustrations with proven set ups baking NEW motors but I also accept the fact that WE push these motors beyond their intended limits. Some times through the grace of the FE racing Gods we get away with exceeding those limits. Some times those Gods frown down on us and say "not today". I accept the fact that I run my set ups to where I may, at any time, burn a motor. Do I enjoy finding that magic number (size prop that will toast a motor in a set up, then prop one size down), NO. Will having more motor options solve this problem, I don't know but I would like to have the option to try.
I don't think anyone is looking for more speed out of P-Limited. I would just personally like to see a few more motor options.
I am on board with your post and I don't disagree with anything you said.
I think Darin said it best for me, I want to do our best to preserve the avenue that's been created to get new boaters involved. It's that situation that has allowed us to gain new racers into our club. I am not opposed to more motors on the list. We just need to make sure the added motors don't alienate those who are still running the RTR motors. At the club level, there is perception that we need to be conscious and concerned about.
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So with the mother of all lists that Darin posted for approved motors in the car world, why doesn't the boating world do the same?
Come up with a list based on Manufacturers specs and be done with it, and grandfather in those already in use so those of us that don't burn up a motor every race don't have to change any of our present setups.
This shouldn't be that difficult.....or perhaps I'm over simplifying.
By the way...did anyone check all the winning motors at the recent FE Nats to see if anybody "cheated". Perhaps Neu motors were used by some and painted gold.Grand River Marine Modellers
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For the record - I have not asked or attempted to return any item from any Hobby vendor ever. If I wreck it I buy it. My attempt at Tower was to purchase 8 more 2030's. I told them that I wanted to purchase them from a more recent new inventory. They asked why and I told them. I was told that I was the first to bring any quality issue to their attention and that they have not recieved any 2030 returns. A flat out lie. Then my e-mails are forwarded over to AQ. Fool me once - shame on you. You know the rest.Correct. It was a general statement. I used to do returns for a hobby shop, sadly equipment fails and manufactures make mistakes. Tower has covered thousands in faulty equipment that I personally sent to them. Horizon sent the wrong esc for a repair, let me keep a 80 amp esc when I called for an IM 17. The point is these companies want our business, they want a solid reputation and they take pride in what they do. Why would they tell someone to kick rocks if the complaint was legit?Comment
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Doug.... maybe ill go through that list and parked it down to only the motors of 2200KV or less....
And for the record, so as to NOT piss of Mr. Newland, I was only providing this list to show HOW this could be done. I'm not advocating this change.
It would work as a class, though.Darin E. Jordan - Renton, WA
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OK... I am now lost.
* The list of motors above are all larger in diameter and length (much longer) than our current P-Limited motors.
* The list has KV #'s ranging from 1400 to 5000+
* A few motors on that list are currently running in the "full" P boats
There is nothing "limited" about that list of motors. Even if you limit the KV rating, they will be MUCH more motor than the current P-Limited offerings.
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Darin E. Jordan - Renton, WA
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Yup... I can see that... Sorry. I don't always type out as clearly as I'm thinking!
Or... maybe I'm not thinking clearly?
Either way, what I think I was trying to say was "as a class on it's own"... thinning out the list to the appropriate KVs, of course.
All of these motors are around the 1515 1Y size (1415 1Y as well).... so in that sense, it would be a "limited-P" class...
OK, I clearly need coffee... carry on...
Darin E. Jordan - Renton, WA
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We have options
We have several options:
1. Adjust our setups to accommodate the manufacturing variations we have with our current list of approved motors.
2. Hope that a RTR manufacturer releases something of better quality that fits within the NAMBA P-Ltd rule set:
---------------------------------------------------NAMBA Rulebook section 28.D.1.d.iii:
iii) In addition, the CD has the discretion to allow the following:
(a) An aftermarket motor that is a re-labeled and exact copy of any
approved motor.
(b) Any generational change of an approved motor, or a motor that
is used in a Ready To Run (RTR) offering from a manufacturer
that produces over 100 units of said offering, as long as there is
no more than a 5% increase in any of the following
manufacturers specifications as compared to any single
approved motor: Kv, maximum constant amperage rating,
mass, and MSRP.
(c) The race flyer shall list additional allowed motors for the event
3. Run at local clubs that offer other motor options in addition to the approved motor list.
4. Race the P power class instead of the P-Ltd class.Comment
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Bang for the buck Castle motors are close to a Neu. I can't see a 40mm motor on a P lmt list. Not sure why the 2200 kv limit? A 1415 2400kv would turn smaller props in the 40-42mm range for light weight tunnel hulls and riggers. In my mind 45-47mm props even down at 1800kv is risky.
Mic
Is this whole discussion about better, cheaper, equality or just more options?
Mic Halbrehder
IMPBA 8656
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Where do I sign up!
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