2018 IMPBA FE Nationals - Michigan Cup

[tjcast]

It's a good thing Tom is around to take the edge off of you Terry. Shame you don't spend more time together.

I was the one that convinced Terry to not offer tunnel. If we offer a class and it looks like it might not make it, instead of saying, "looks like this class won't make it, 'so sad'", guys in our club have put together boats JUST to have the class run. I hate to see that happen. They bust their balls and it is so unappreciated. Tunnel is one class that fits this scenario. There might be 2 people in our club that have tunnel hulls that are near ready to run, so if there aren't at least 5 people coming with tunnel hulls it won't run.

We will also be running a "Shoot Out" format and unless there is at least 6 (7 or more is better) the format loses its appeal.

Unless of course I can run it my way .....

[T.S.Davis]

Yeah Doug, I think Tom added a line item to the budget for a cage to keep me in for this race.

[Ken Haines]

Yeah Doug, I think Tom added a line item to the budget for a cage to keep me in for this race.

Now let me poke a stick at Terry in the cage

I may be willing to gravel a lot to add a T Class.....Howard & Pags too.
I might even consider utilizing a pad of butter.
Since we are talking about classes....lol

[Doby]

Ill bring my T cat if that helps...

[T.S.Davis]

Terry mode activated....hahaha

Been there done that. We've carried the big boats many many times over the years. Heck, Dennis kinda invented the idea back before we had LiPo. We were running an "Ultimate Offshore" class before there were LiPo. Think that was what we called it all those years ago. I'm very partial to them but I can't ignore history or reality.

The problem with T is the same we have with 1/8 scale. These boats rarely get IN the water. Let alone actually racing with other boats. This is true for me too by the way. Where am I getting laps on an FE 1/8 scale?

PAGS would likely build one in the dark the night before the class runs too. We end up with untested, unproven, un-raced boats. Half of them are horrific. Some bordering on dangerously out of control. Anybody remember my T Plus being passed? Not on the inside or outside. Just over the top. Seemed legit. Some simply dont run. "I took this speedo out of my other boat between heats but I didn't change the settings" Pull the trigger.........burp*............burp*..... noth'n. ugh I know I paint a bleak picture of T boats but if you'd been trying to accommodate these larger boat classes since 1999 you might see it the way I do too.

Then.................what class? There aren't 6 big monos. There aren't 6 big cats. There aren't 6 T riggers. There aren't 6 T sports. We're just not interested in a hodge podge made up class with 3 riggers, a cat, and a couple mono.

All that said...............most of you know how much effort MMEU puts into being accommodating. Show us 6 reliable "somethings" and we'll at least have the conversation with the gang but recognize where we're at with it too please.

[Doby]

Terry:

I can bring both a tried and true T Cat and a T Mono if needed...both have several seasons on them and are reliable.
If it helps to make a class then great...if not, well..you know me...I'll run whatever you guys offer up as classes and be happy.

[photohoward1]

I hate when Terry is almost right. 6 reliable T anything probably not. I know over the years it's usually 3 of us in each class. All reliable though. I have raced my T Mono for almost 10 years. Gets better all the time. Just updated my reliable T hydro to a new one. 10mph faster and actually turns. Have a T cat too.
Fingers are feeling good too after last year!

[TRUCKPULL]

Fingers are feeling good too after last year!

You don't want to do that again.

Larry

[Doug Smock]

[ray schrauwen]

Fingers are feeling good too after last year!

Good to hear.

You don't want to do that again.

Larry

Christmas giveaway for Howard, one, ten ohm resistor.

[MarkF]

Terry

When was the last time you held a nats? People don't travel to club races like they do the nats. Tunnel made the Vegas nats in nitro and electric. I don't think you can compare your knowledge of club races to holding a Nats.

Mark

[tjcast]

Terry

When was the last time you held a nats? People don't travel to club races like they do the nats. Tunnel made the Vegas nats in nitro and electric. I don't think you can compare your knowledge of club races to holding a Nats.

Mark

Hi Mark MMEU last held an FE Nats in 2014. Terry was not speaking about our experience at club races but at the Michigan Cup.

I thought that this issue was put to rest in post #43 as I said that I will be adding tunnel to the signups! also as stated in post #46 that it was I that convinced Terry to not include tunnel in the flier. So stop pestering him about this class!

Thanks, Tom

[MarkF]

Oh I don't care about the class, I don't own a tunnel. I have the usual 4s and 6s stuff plus a T mono and T cat. I just like pestering Terry for coming out like he knows better than everybody and cut classes when all classes should be offered at a nats. Regardless of what he knows.

Mark

[Ken Haines]

Terry, When was the last time you held a nats? People don't travel to club races like they do the nats. Tunnel made the Vegas nats in nitro and electric. I don't think you can compare your knowledge of club races to holding a Nats.

Oh I don't care about the class, I don't own a tunnel. I have the usual 4s and 6s stuff plus a T mono and T cat. I just like pestering Terry for coming out like he knows better than everybody and cut classes when all classes should be offered at a nats. Regardless of what he knows.

Mark

Wow.... surprised you are saying this.
Terry and his club have hosted hosted the FE Nat's in 2009 and 2014 at 2 different sites.....Prior to my participating in 2007
I believe they had hosted one years prior to that as well. Likely makes them the host club of more FE Nat's than any other club.
They also continue to host arguably the largest race of the year by attendance, the Michigan Cup, and have done so for at least
as far back as 2012. Terry has been the lead guy or club president for every single one of them.
Terry also served as the NAMBA FE Chairman for 10 years +.
All this being said, pretty sure he is more knowledgeable in setting up a large National race than most of us here.
Certainly there are classes we would all like to race there as actual active participants, but squeezing this
event into 3 days, and taking on the first IMPBA Nat's in quite sometime is a challenge that most clubs have shied away from.
As an active racer I am so happy an applaud the MMEU club for taking this on their shoulders.
Yes, I would like some of the bigger class offerings, but trust we can revisit this for another year,
if this is what Terry / Tom and the MMEU club members think is best for this year so be it.
My son and I will definitely be there and participating either way. Probably in way too many classes as usual.....lol

I do have kind of a cynical question for everyone that has been sort of critical here....
are you planning on attending this race and this is why you are speaking up now,
or are you simply just throwing out these questions and harsh opinions ?

Sorry, Just my 2 cents
Ken

[T.S.Davis]

Thanks Ken. We hosted 05, 09, 14 and now in 18. We traveled to 06 and 10. So only 5 Nat's for me.

I think......"think".......stop laughing......that Tom and I have more exposure to national racing than most. We run 6 clubs races sure. On top of that we travel. Winter Warm ups, Spring Nationals, Can Am, 2 time trials, and our little Michigan Cup. That was 2017.

Sorry if I've offended you Mark. If there are FE guys getting around more than we are I'm unaware of them.

Tom and I disagreed on tunnel. I was going to include it just to avoid this exact debate. I expected it to not make though. Primarily because having traveled all over, I have an idea (of course I can't KNOW) who will gather up their gear and get here.

Honestly, I've achieved the same expectation of 1/8 scale. Because people that don't even own them love to see them run we kept it on the list. Hope they make but if they don't they don't.