Would you still race?

[JMSCARD]

one thing we could think of is this
if we detune by using a smaller prop this could cause the boat to handle a little more smooth and it will pull less amps causing everything to run cooler.. also we will use less Mah from our packs and that makes for faster charging and the packs will last longer

BRUSHLESS!!! you weren't supposed to give up that info.... hopefully there are no gas guys snooping around.... all true info here.... keep a on it and our better handling more consistent FE's will always have the edge

[Brushless55]

BRUSHLESS!!! you weren't supposed to give up that info.... hopefully there are no gas guys snooping around.... all true info here.... keep a on it and our better handling more consistent FE's will always have the edge

shhhhhhhh

[Brushless55]

I cannot tell you how much now in the last few posts of how bad I want my boat from Mike to run against the Nitro guys in Greeley and use a smaller prop to match speeds with the nitro boats....
http://forums.offshoreelectrics.com/...9&postcount=99

[ray schrauwen]

Man you dont want to give this one up. LOL

Being that there is only nitro boat racing in my area, if the nitro guys said to be toss your electric in the water, if you are going to blow us away, all we ask is you detune some how. I WOULD SAY, SIGN ME UP AND WHENS THE FIRST RACE!

A club is a group of guys that has something in common. Nitro boats have nitro fuel as their common choice of power, if you are trying to assimilate to a club as a minority, you have to be willing to adapt or find somewhere else to make your own club.

Do you think this would happen in reverse?

In the past we were slower and had diddly for run time. No gas or nitro club would be willing to De-tune to accomodate, they never did to my knowledge?

Now the shoe is on the other foot, hmmmm....

If you have to share water, then I guess I could accomodate

[egneg]

All I have to say is that the guys at ODMBA bent over backwards to give me a chance to run my FE boats. They made sure that there were enough boats so I could race what I had. This year was a major learning experience for all of us and I think things worked out very well. I was encouraged by all the members of the club and they learned just as much as I did. I think doors have been opened and things are going to change rapidly in the next year or two. These changes take time and are now happening thanks to folks like Mike Chirillo, Mike Luszcz, Kent Seal, Dick Loeb, Don Ferrette, and Doug Smock and Paul making the trip from Georgia.

[hookedup]

I think I would do what it takes to race with the nitro boys.

i am jealous of you guys that have organized racing. i am not into nitro boats, but if there were nitro races in my area, i would probably get one, just to be able to race at all.

[Ub Hauled]

I have seen a few guys here mention "would they accommodate us"... guys, some time ago we were asking just to being able to race with these same guys you now are asking to accommodate you... it isn't fair for them to do it to us why bring up the other way around? We are just becoming the same they were! You tread others like you wanna be treated... I tell that to my 5 and 3 year old all the time.

If you are trying to get into someones "click" you don't impose, you conform... as long as we don't have numbers to have our own class and one wants to race, it'll be this way.
I would like to see all people racing together, but it's hard to match such different technologies, specially w/o some compromise. I still think it should be stated in ink, just a loose paragraph stating that you need to detune to race is not something that seem right, it has too many loop holes. Get some people to figure out how setups would match the particular class and write a rule! Try using one less cell or limit size of the motor used... a prop is something that one works hard to be able to get an edge, in my opinion it should be a free for all, if the chosen setup for the rules can handle the prop, have at it.

Off course, that's my opinion.

[Basstronics]

I wouldnt race.

Stupid rules is what kills the fun. When you kill the fun the clubs, tracks, stores, etc close down.

I seen it with slot cars.

The most perplexing part is the "any FE boats having a noticeable speed advantage over the faster nitro boats". Wouldnt that make it the faster FE boats over the slower nitro boats?

Somebody needs to dig the pink panties out of there behind and man up/move on!

[don ferrette]

I wouldnt race.

Stupid rules is what kills the fun. When you kill the fun the clubs, tracks, stores, etc close down.

I seen it with slot cars.

The most perplexing part is the "any FE boats having a noticeable speed advantage over the faster nitro boats". Wouldnt that make it the faster FE boats over the slower nitro boats?

Somebody needs to dig the pink panties out of there behind and man up/move on!

And that is the exact attitude which will continue to keep the FE's in the spectator seats at the bigger races.

We are trying to change things and find a place to have the FE's play with everyone else until there is enough for their own classes. Right now that isn't the case so what's better- being a spectator or making some changes to keep the level of competition close and fair? It's already become clear that a tweaking of the verbage is needed to pacify the concerns about how someone might misinterpret the rule which will get done. I know what Chili Mike meant when he wrote the rules was a noticeable speed difference over the fastest of the nitros running with them, a minor typo so no big deal. The intent is to provide a level playing field to promote close racing which is exactly what we had last season with the classes we did this with, seems some are missing the fact that we alot of fun and it was a huge success. And that reminds me I need to get in contact with Chili to get his 2010 District Champion jacket size since he won the B/P hydro class with his FE powered JAE. Nobody likes to have their ass handed to them every time regardless of what powers the boat, THAT is what kills the fun and makes people leave. If anyone thinks otherwise then they need to open their eyes.

The only ones who "need to dig the pink panties out of there behind and man up/move on" are the ones afraid of close competition.

[ray schrauwen]

I disagree Don.

Competition is competition. Before we would ask to be included in Gas races but we didn't have the run time like we do now.
WE had asked the fuel community to accommodate this and we got laughed at.

Now the shoe is on the other foot and we MUST capitulate to them being slower? Where is the logic?

Totally laughable.

[ray schrauwen]

So now what if the Fuel community has a Technological breakthrough and makes lipo the lesser power.

Back to square one with fuel guys saying forget it, we don't need or want you.

[Chilli]

I wouldnt race.

The most perplexing part is the "any FE boats having a noticeable speed advantage over the faster nitro boats". Wouldnt that make it the faster FE boats over the slower nitro boats?

There is nothing perplexing about the statement. The rule was not put in to keep nitro boats faster. It was imposed to promoted competitive racing. My P-mono was 4-5 mph faster than the B-mono's. I proped down from a 642 to a 640 and that was it. Whats the big deal? I never had to prop down on my spec boats and had a very successfull year in the B/P-Spec Hydro class. I still had an advantage being electric. My boat doesnt come off pipe, my motor doesnt get water ingestion and I don't have to chase carb needle settings all weekend.

This past spring I went to the annual district meeting by myself to ask the district for a place to race in their schedule. They could of told me three things.
1. Pound Sand
2. Call us when you can make a three boat minimum field (which is what they say to all nitro/gas racers who request additional classes in the district).
3. Come and race with us but lets keep the racing competitive.

I was in no position to demand anything. Lucky for me they chose 3. If they chose option 2, I would of probably competed in only one race this past season. Instead I raced three combined Nitro/FE classes at four out of the five district races and took a class championship. So what sounds more fun? Staying at home or having a great time hanging out with people who share the same interest while showing other racers what FE's are capible of. Sounds like a no brainer to me.

It's high time the entire FE community put on thier big boy pants and knock that FE chip off our shoulder. We have to stop the "us versus them" mentality. We are only hurting outselves. I heard it a hundred times last year. A boat is a boat. The nitro guys were great to me and my son all season. I learned allot from them and I did take a little good natured ribbing. But no more than anyone else. Many of them think nitro is on it's way out so lets give them a new option to continue racing.

[don ferrette]

I disagree Don.

Competition is competition. Before we would ask to be included in Gas races but we didn't have the run time like we do now.
WE had asked the fuel community to accommodate this and we got laughed at.

Now the shoe is on the other foot and we MUST capitulate to them being slower? Where is the logic?

Totally laughable.

Whatever Ray, I hope you have fun playing in whatever ponds you're at. We had a blast this past year and it will grow even more more for 2011 as we push FE into the forefront of the bigger races. Sorry that you base your attitude on how some gassers mistreated you in the past but that is just that- the past. What we are working with in D12 is the here and now and whatever we can do to make it better is the path we will choose. Totally laughable? Absolutely! We'll be laughing our asses off at how much fun we're having.

It also amazes me how some are being so narrow minded and missing the big picture here- to foster more interest and grow FE so it can ultimately have it's own classes at the bigger races.

Time to head back to the shop and work on my new FE projects.

[egneg]

I see James B. is building a 7.5 FE tunnel as posted on IW.

[longballlumber]

It's high time the entire FE community put on thier big boy pants and knock that FE chip off our shoulder. We have to stop the us versus them mentality. We are only hurting outselves.

This is the best post I have seen up to this point!

Later,
Mike Ball