House health bill makes private medical insurance illegal

[domwilson]

I'm appalled at all the fairy tales that are being spread. The opposition to a healthcare reform for political reasons to further their own party's ambitions. I read that the other reason is because it will hurt the insurance companies. Are you serious? How many people have DIED because of insurance companies? This is a very disturbing trend of putting a dollar value to a life. What next? Legalized murder where you just have to pay a fine equal to what that persons "worth" in society was. I know it's a stretch but so is "Death Panels" and "Killing Granny."

[sailr]

Who on the right is dismissing them? Certainly no more than one or two Republican congressmen! Senator Grassley let the lie stay alive about Death Panels. How can you defend the Republican Party? They are the furthest thing from conservative! They went on the biggest pork spending spree in history for six years under Bush and he didn't veto even one bill because of it. The Repubs are no longer conservative. So now who do you vote for? Hmmm?

I guess it depends on which side of the discussion you are on... I meant DNC... They are the ones, after all, that are putting all the resources into, and have the most to gain by, smearing the Conservative movement and twisting up their message...


And Dom... I don't disagree... but no one I know if is trying to defend these roque actions... The Left is trying to portray them as "mainstream" conservative, and the Right is dismissing them as issolated cases from individuals. Who is correct??

[domwilson]

Political parties telling lies in the media. Hmmm. Pravda?

[sailr]

Exactly. Frightening. Free speech is a wonderful thing and they have the right to tell their lies until it damages the country. They have long past surpassed that mark. The hate spewing radio talkers have incited people to violent acts. THAT is being an accessory to a crime! WHY are they still on the air? Case in point, the guy who killed a cop and said he was an avid follower of Glen Beck and inspired by him! WHY is Beck not being hauled into court?

I don't know the answer as to how to stop the lies and fear mongering these people do but it needs to cease. It is dividing this country. It is hurting our people. It is enabling the nut jobs out there.

Political parties telling lies in the media. Hmmm. Pravda?

[sailr]

There is nothing wrong with being conservative but where do you find one today? You certainly can't be a Republican and claim to be conservative. So if you are a Republican, you need to start calling your 'movement' something other than conservative because the term simply does not fit. I suggest calling the Republican Party the 'negative' movement as that seems to be all they can offer these days.

I guess it depends on which side of the discussion you are on... I meant DNC... They are the ones, after all, that are putting all the resources into, and have the most to gain by, smearing the Conservative movement and twisting up their message...


And Dom... I don't disagree... but no one I know if is trying to defend these roque actions... The Left is trying to portray them as "mainstream" conservative, and the Right is dismissing them as issolated cases from individuals. Who is correct??

[domwilson]

I take it that you are disappointed with the Republican party?

I'm trying to be in the middle on this. However, I am finding myself leaning to one side (I like being neutral) simply because of the absurdity of fabrications that one side has resorted to. I would rather have these guys work out a viable plan that will help the american public. But if the Dems give into what essentially amounts to a child throwing a temper tantum on the floor just to get his way, I'm going to question their resolve as well.

[sailr]

I would love to be neutral but the radicalism on the right drives me to the left where I find some sanity. My only regret is that the Democrats have no cajones! For years, the Dems were totally villified and marginalized when the Repubs were in power. It's time for the Dems to 'claim' what is now THEIR turf and tell the Repubs to F-off. The Repubs don't want bi-partisanship. That is simply a red herring. They didn't allow it when they were in power so why should the Dems allow it now. RAM the damned health care bill through and be done with it! The Repubs have proven they don't deserve our attention any longer.

I take it that you are disappointed with the Republican party?

I'm trying to be in the middle on this. However, I am finding myself leaning to one side (I like being neutral) simply because of the absurdity of fabrications that one side has resorted to. I would rather have these guys work out a viable plan that will help the american public. But if the Dems give into what essentially amounts to a child throwing a temper tantum on the floor just to get his way, I'm going to question their resolve as well.

[domwilson]

It would have been to the Repubs. advantage to push an alternative bill and campaign for that. It would have given them a little more credibility and the appearence of integrity. The white house is systematically disproving their misrepresentations and not going on the attack, at least on don't see as much in the media coverage. As I see it with all the lies and lack of credibility, they are their own worst enemy. At least Pawlenty did offer something up.

[domwilson]

I am disappointed with this guy. I didn't think he would cave in. Makes you wonder, what else is he gonna fold under like a wet paper towel?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090817/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_health_care_overhaul

Even GW had more balls.

[domwilson]

The Dems are getting the name "Cowardcrats"...

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2009_08/019506.php

[JimClark]

It is called compromise when you don't have the votes to pass the bill. They wouldn't listen until people started really expressing their views. Now maybe we can get a bill passed that will actually do some good.

Jim

[domwilson]

That's all they been doing... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michel..._b_210973.html

http://www.alternet.org/blogs/healthwellness/139819/obama_does_the_'compromise'_dance_with_the_gop_and_comes_up_short_(again)/

They're are going to compromise this to the point where it will be nothing meaningful and futher delute the people's faith in the government.

[domwilson]

And here... http://www.hedgehogs.net/pg/newsfeed...se-sahil-kapur

[JimClark]

They won't have to comprise a huge amount because of the number of votes they have. The Blue Dog Dem's will fall right in line once the cost of the final bill get's down to reasonably levels.

[domwilson]

Chris Dodd explains... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0..._n_218535.html