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I sincerely don't know why you're still arguing with the rabid right putzes here Bill...they insult the general intelligence of humanity with every post 
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Bill, one day they will awaken an realize that their sheltered world was just a dream, and what I mean by sheltered, is when the circumference of your thinking and resolution is control by people who truly don't have your best interest at heart.
"To put it more simply: Liberals want the decision to be spread out among more people, preferably everyone; conservatives want the decision to be made by as few people as possible, preferably just one." Baron DaveSamuel Johnson - “An injustice anywhere is an injustice everywhere.” William Cooper "listen to everything, read everything, and believe nothing unless you can prove it in your own research!"Comment
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Of course unless they disagree with you then it turns to I hate you or I am obviously racist simply because I disagree with you.
"To put it more simply: Liberals want the decision to be spread out among more people, preferably everyone; conservatives want the decision to be made by as few people as possible, preferably just one." Baron Dave[/QUOTE]"Our society strives to avoid any possibility of offending anyone except God.
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You mean like choosing Michael Steele. What a sincere appointment.Samuel Johnson - “An injustice anywhere is an injustice everywhere.” William Cooper "listen to everything, read everything, and believe nothing unless you can prove it in your own research!"Comment
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First off, I think of myself as a conservative, but I do not agree with using torture as a means of extracting information.
I also see no reason why we cannot strongly defend out nation without employing tactics like torture.
I also do not believe in gay marriage, but that is only because I've always thought of marriage by definition as a union between a man and a woman, NOTHING MORE.
Having said that, I do not believe it is my place to judge anyone based on their sexual orientation, nor to limit their rights in our society. Put simply it's none of my business.
Does any of this mean I'm not as conservative as I think? Maybe I need a little help understanding where I fit in (left-middle-right).
I do appreciate the opportunity to read the opinions of people like Bill, Darin, Dr. Jet, and others, thought provoking stuff to be sure.
I do wish the name calling, and questioning of intelligence and integrity by some would be left out of these discussions.
I personally think you are all good guys.Last edited by RMZDADDY; 04-23-2009, 10:43 PM.Comment
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Samuel Johnson - “An injustice anywhere is an injustice everywhere.” William Cooper "listen to everything, read everything, and believe nothing unless you can prove it in your own research!"Comment
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The crippling factor as I see it is the rise of divisive partisanship. Every single decision is based on which party came up with it. The dramatic style with which both parties continually vote along party lines simply is counter to logic.
And the absolute hypocrisy of both parties is also counter productive. The party in power will commit acts and say things in defense of what they do until they go out of power. Then they turn right around and criticize the new power party for the same thing.
Perfect case in point is Dick Cheney calling for openess and transparency!! Talk about going down the rabbit hole!! And I only use that since it is a recent example.
Until we can get back to a system where decisions are made based on what is best for the country, I think we are in for a rough ride. Also, we absolutely have to get religion out of politics. You have every right to think and worship as you see fit. But you do not have a right to impose those views on the rest of us.
Special interest money is also a huge issue in conjunction with what is now a continuous campaign cycle. The President should have a single 6-year term. Campaigns should be publicly funded as well, after all what single thing is more in the public interest? And the campaign "season" should last no more than 6 months, less if possible.
But I am dreaming again. Probably a hold over from all the drugs I did at the commune.Don't get me started
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I'm with you....I don't consider myself apart of any party. I think both sides present some validity to their arguments. But I've learned to let people think what they want and be who they are; Right or wrong. These are some thought provoking discussions, but we should leave the name calling and blind accusations out. But I could be wrong...Just my thoughts.Government Moto:
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"Liberals are people who are under the only partially mistaken impression that altering the structure of government is the best way to influence people and resources. Conservatives are people who are under the only partially mistaken impression that altering the people in power is the best way to influence other people and their culture." Baron DaveSamuel Johnson - “An injustice anywhere is an injustice everywhere.” William Cooper "listen to everything, read everything, and believe nothing unless you can prove it in your own research!"Comment
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Christianity and Torture are not synonymous, unless your a Right wing conservative.
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Hang in there, Darin, I'm with you. RC prince is from Florida and they don't know how to use a voting machine and Bill-Socal is from Southern Calif which is right there with the idiots in San Fran! They elected pres Obummer so we will have the last say and at his rate, it won't be long.Comment
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Dude... If you think you can define how I feel about how this country can/should show it's strength by using a single, or even just a few comments on an internet message board, then you are really mistaken...
And you are mistaken on what you think I was talking about in the first place... I made it very clear:
Sorry for the misspelling of "ridiculous", but that's what it is... it's actually "blue-diculous"... I told you I did not advocate torture, and was not really commenting on what happened... I was commenting on what IS happening. It's disgustingly political and it's damaging us, not helping our standing...Originally posted by Darin Jordan
I'm NOT an "extreme-right-wing" person... I'm conservative, and, as I've said over and over again, believe that equalibrium is realized when we have a balanced approach that is based on traditional, conservative principles, weighed against basic human rights. I support the Constitution AS IT IS WRITTEN, and believe in the FREE Market, with checks and balances...
It's senseless to continue arguing this... Everything that the Right has been warning about is coming to fruition, and I DO believe we WILL be attacked again BECAUSE of this new administration and the waffleing that they are doing.
Bottom line is that these are BAD DUDES we are dealing with, and NO amount of decorum or diplomacy or "talks" is going to change how they feel about us and what they want in the way of destroying the Western Society. This IS a war of Religions... and the two worlds are NOT compatible... How do you live or accept someone into your life who wants to have you DEAD, and your way of life destroyed? No amount of sugar is going to make that better for them... Chriminy... look what just happened this week in Pakistan... the Government there appeased the Taliban by giving up a region to them... and the Taliban, now only about 30-miles from the capital, has setup training camps, and has been raiding businesses, flogging young girls in the street, shooting youths who tried to elope... They are only 30-miles from having control of the capital, and the Nukes that they have in that country... Does this make you feel like talking to them some more?
Sorry guys... support this kind of BS if you want... I won't...Darin E. Jordan - Renton, WA
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Your sort of rebuttals are not welcome, Nothing you've said was of any value to this discussion. We try to stay away from ad hominem attacks, one or two may slip in, but we try. This is your first comment and it's an egregious one at that. Stick to the boat section, obvious this is not your type of discussions. Come back with tact and facts. You'd be more than welcome to associate with the adults.Last edited by RCprince; 04-23-2009, 11:35 PM.Samuel Johnson - “An injustice anywhere is an injustice everywhere.” William Cooper "listen to everything, read everything, and believe nothing unless you can prove it in your own research!"Comment
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