Global Warming

[avengersteve]

MY .02 global warming is a non issue. all it means for me is my sweet potatoes will grow better and better. and i may loose some weight

[sjslhill]

Well

It's going to have to change first...look at the graph, it's going the other way at the moment.

MY .02 global warming is a non issue. all it means for me is my sweet potatoes will grow better and better. and i may loose some weight

[NorthernBoater]

I have always been of the opinion that are many more variables in climate change that we can account for. The climate follows a cycle just like everything else does. One thing you never here about is the amount of volcanic dust in the atmosphere. Right now the levels are very low and it can account for some of the change. They are able to measure the amount of volcanic dust in the air by observing how bright the moon is during a lunar eclipse. Satellites are not suited to do this observation because they can only take a very small sample of the atmosphere.

[sjslhill]

How do they explain the mini ice age back before 1800? That's my question. Before that mini ice age, mankinds population exploded. Seems to me that heat is better than cold. From what I have read, it was the sun and volcanic dust during that period. Right now the sun is very low in activity.

[Bill-SOCAL]

I have always been of the opinion that are many more variables in climate change that we can account for. The climate follows a cycle just like everything else does. One thing you never here about is the amount of volcanic dust in the atmosphere. Right now the levels are very low and it can account for some of the change. They are able to measure the amount of volcanic dust in the air by observing how bright the moon is during a lunar eclipse. Satellites are not suited to do this observation because they can only take a very small sample of the atmosphere.

You are correct, the climate is a complicated thing. Fortunately they are getting a handle on it thanks to the mind boggling amount of computing power available today. Even 5 years ago some of the climate models would have runs for months, now they take hours to run.

With respect to natural cycles, that is true. The point that most scientists are trying to make is that man is making this natural cycle worse. The worry in that is that our contribution may drive us to an extreme that is well outside the natural variations we have documented over time. Think of lake that rises and falls naturally during a year. Then have a guy start pumping the water out during the low periods, it could get to the point where the lake dries up and changes the whole system.

Volcanoes. Always a topic. Bottom line, no real effect.

For instance, volcanoes spew about 130 million tons of CO2 each year. Man emits 27 Billion tons, or 208 times more.

As far as dust and other things that can cause cooling due to eruptions, that does happen, but it is short lived. Usually on the order of a few years. Over the long run they have no real effect. Having said that, if there was an eruption large enough it could be devastating. One of the biggest concerns is the Yellowstone super caldera in the US. If it were to let go again (it has done so in the past) it is thought that it could be a planet ending event. No lie. Think of 6 to 8 FEET of volcanic ash covering the entire US Midwest (farmland). Think of enough debris in the atmosphere that the sun is effectively blocked for years and perhaps decades. Plants die and then the whole thing goes to crap!!

[Bill-SOCAL]

How do they explain the mini ice age back before 1800? That's my question. Before that mini ice age, mankinds population exploded. Seems to me that heat is better than cold. From what I have read, it was the sun and volcanic dust during that period. Right now the sun is very low in activity.

All part of that natural variation we talked about above.

http://www.exitmundi.nl/Iceage.htm

[sjslhill]

most scientists? Do you have a list? Or as you say, are your just regurgitating information. I want to see your list, not some wicopidiea data. Anyone can post on wicopidiea.

What have you done to lower your CO2 footprint?

[ghostofpf1]

What have you done to lower your CO2 footprint?

I retired....no more commuting to work in a gas guzzler for me ..walk wherever I can..converted all my nitro burning rc junk to relatively clean electric...
what else would you like me to do...

Like I said..anyone denying we've had an impact simply has blinders on...
good luck

Ghost

[sjslhill]

Sod House and Horse

[sjslhill]

whatya going do when the Pacific Decadal Oscillation comes for you?

the deep freeze is on

[Dr. Jet]

Stuff I've said before

In the last chapter of Michael Crichton's novel "Jurassic Park" there are a few paragraphs wherein he discusses how the prehistoric earth was being poisoned by toxic, corrosive gasses, and the future of the planet was in grave peril. The primordial soup that contained all primitive life forms was exhaling this poisonous waste product into the atmosphere and it was endangering the survival of all living things. The whole point of his novel was that life will find a way to survive. That toxic, corrosive, gas that was poisoning the planet was oxygen. Go figure.

Our view of the planet is based on our own lifespan. Do the global warming fanatics like Algore have any concept of a thousand years? How about ten thousand years? A hundred thousand? A million? In geologic terms, a million years is nothing. Planet earth has been around for 4.2 billion years (give or take a few days). That is 42,000 million years (sorry Jehovah’s Witness folks). Continents move around the globe and slam into each other. Mountains appear and then wash into the sea. Land masses erode to nothing and new ones appear from the ocean bottom. The planet warms and cools in cycles. These cycles seem have something to do with a rather large thermonuclear fusion reactor some 93 million miles distant. Ever wonder how Greenland (currently covered in ice) got its name? Did you know that they grew wine grapes in Northern England? How arrogant can we humans be to actually think we can have any “global” impact whatsoever, simply by driving an SUV and using hairspray over a miniscule 50 years?

The global warming fanatics think we can save our planet by raising taxes, or increasing the power of government in some other fashion. When has government ever been the solution to a problem? Name one thing the government has done that can be considered a success. The War on Poverty? Social Security? Welfare? Campaign Finance Reform? Border Security?

Why is Algore promoting this hoax? He is making millions of dollars off of it, selling carbon credits while he flys around in his inefficient bizjet and tells you to drive a lawnmower with seats and your knees in your chest. People actually paid money to see his propaganda film. And don't forget how much he got from the Nobel prize. There's big money in it for him. Algore says there is a concensus among scientists about this. How can it be science if it is a "concensus"? I seem to recall a concensus of scientists thought the earth was flat in 1491. It didn't make it true. And why does Algore refuse to debate those that disagree?

Here's the text of an email I received during the past winter from a fellow glider pilot and retired Marine (Semper Fi George):

Cool News About Global Warming
By Bill Steigerwald
Tuesday, March 4, 2008

You've no doubt seen the stories about strange snowfalls in Saudi Arabia. A brutal winter in China. The heaviest snow cover in North America, Siberia and elsewhere since 1966.

And if you are a vigilant observer of the global warming debate, you know how inconveniently cold it is in the Arctic this winter for Al Gore and his army of climate alarmists.

But how cold is it, Johnny?

Well, NASA says recent satellite images show that the allegedly endangered polar ice cap -- which will melt completely one of these summers and kill off all the polar bears if we don't slash our greedy carbon footprints and revert to the lifestyles of medieval peasants -- has recovered to near normal coverage levels.

That's what Josefino Comiso, a senior research scientist with the Cryospheric Sciences Branch of NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Maryland, told Canada's CBC News -- the Canadian government's version of NPR/PBS - on Feb. 12.

As far as Google's search engine knows, Comiso's comforting report has appeared nowhere but in Canada.

There's even better news for polar ice-pack lovers from ice expert Gilles Langis, who says Arctic ice is now even thicker than usual in spots. A senior ice forecaster with the Canadian Ice Service in Ottawa, he's another scientist you shouldn't expect to see talking to Anderson Cooper on the next episode of CNN's "Galaxy in Peril."

Meanwhile, in other news too climatically incorrect for U.S. mainstream media to touch, California meteorologist Anthony Watts says January 2008 was the planet's second-coldest January in 15 years.

Even more shocking, the average temperature of Earth dropped significantly from January 2007 to January 2008. As Watts explains on his Web site wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com, he determined the lower figure by crunching data from four major public and private global tracking sources.

You may remember Watts from last summer. He popped up in this paper and on Fox News because of his self-funded project to quality-check 1,221 ground weather stations around the country that are used by NASA to measure the "official" average annual temperature of the United States.

So far, Watts and his volunteers have checked out more than 500 weather stations (none in Western Pennsylvania) to see if their temperature data can be considered credible. As he details on his other Web site, surfacestations.org, nearly 70 percent of the sites fail to meet the government's own standards because they are not 100 feet from a building, are on blazing rooftops, sit next to air-conditioner exhaust fans, etc.

Watts was shocked and surprised to find such unequivocal proof that Earth's temperature has cooled in the last year, he said to me Wednesday. But he's very cautious about what it means in either the short or long run.

Calling it a "fluctuation" and "a large anomaly" compared to the 30-year running temperature average that climatologists use, he emphasized that the cold spell is "no indication that global warming is over" but does "illustrate that the driving mechanisms behind our planet's climate are still very much in control of changing the climate and that the planet's not in the death grip of CO2 just yet."

A careful, honest man of science, all Watts would say for sure was that his findings and all the strange cold-weather events of this winter prove only one thing so far -- that "Mother Nature is still in control of things, not us."


Bill Steigerwald, born and raised in Pittsburgh, is a former L.A. Times copy editor and free-lancer who also worked as a docudrama researcher for CBS-TV in Hollywood before becoming an associate editor and columnist for the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review.



Did you know that water vapor is the number one "greenhouse" gas in our atmosphere? Did you know that all the carbon dioxide (the EVIL man-made greenhouse gas) in the atmosphere accounts for only 2% of the total of all greenhouse gasses? Did you know that only 0.28% of all the carbon dioxide is man-made?

Let us assume for a moment that Scotty beamed the entire human population off this planet tomorrow, and shut down every machine in existence. The greenhouse gasses would drop to 99.72% of what they currently are.

That will certainly make a big difference in total greenhouse gasses won't it? And the only cost would be the loss of the entire human race.

Look at the environmentalist-whacko logic: I've been here on this planet for a lifetime (a few galactic seconds) and it's warmer than I remember in the past: Ergo, global warming is a fact and we must radically modify the way the civilized world operates.

Incorrect. Insufficient data. You need thousands of years (a few galactic minutes) of accurate data to make such a sweeping generalization.

The earth warms and cools in cycles, despite the best efforts of mankind. In 1978, Time Magazine had a cover story about the pending life-threatening global cooling that was predicted by the world's leading climatologists. Again we were told that it is our fault and that we must go back to living a third-world mud-hut existence. What happened to all those scientists that concurred with that theory (another hoax)?

Let's suppose for a moment that the EVIL George Bush decided he wanted to kill all democrats by warming up the planet. So he goes to Haliburton and the Department of Defense and says: "I want you to make a Global Warming Doomsday Death Weapon!" The answer would be: "Sorry George, we just don't have the technology or the ability to change the weather."

Mankind can not change the weather if they put their best scientists to work on it, so how arrogant can you be to believe the type of vehicle you chose to drive can have any (significant) impact whatsoever.

Lastly, who is to say that warming is a bad thing? We certainly could grow a lot more crops for food (and fuel) if things were a few degrees warmer. I'm certain the Canadians would like being a wine producing country, and I'd like to grow more types of bananas that I can now.

[ghostofpf1]

I'm sure the people who live in Palm Springs could adapt to 140 deg summers no problem

Ghost

[sjslhill]

Your not going to need to worry about it. The PDO has started and it lasts for 20-30 years. Stay warm dude, it's going to get cold.

I'm sure the people who live in Palm Springs could adapt to 140 deg summers no problem

Ghost

[sjslhill]

And look, the people from NASA even agree.

Addressing the Washington Policymakers in Seattle, WA, Dr. Don Easterbrook said that shifting of the Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO) from its warm mode to its cool mode virtually assures global cooling for the next 25-30 years and means that the global warming of the past 30 years is over. The announcement by NASA that the (PDO) had shifted from its warm mode to its cool mode

[Jeepers]

Global Warming

Hmmm not sure what to make of this....... read the debates here and I have read it in many sceince magazines. here is what I know

in Pueblo we recorded the coldest Spring Season in 42 years.

This morning it was 65 degress when I left for work at 4:30 am and its 96 degrees now. This is mild for here where usually July & Aug are typicaly in the 100's every day.