So this is what hes going to do if he gets in

[Dr. Jet]

Well I see you are a fan of Mike Savage.

Here's a great response to that absurd label:

http://threewaynews.blogspot.com/2008/06/barack-obama-afro-leninist.html

So can you perhaps expand on Mr. Savage's derisive label and help me to understand what, exactly, an "Afro-Leninist" is??

1. He is an Afro-Centerst. He sat in Reverend wright's pew for twenty years listening to the hatred this man had for White America. He was close personal friends with him for two decades. He sleeps with a woman who has no pride in her country. Your makup is determined by the company you keep.

2. Listen to what he says, then go read some of Lenin's speaches. Even liberal media claim he has the most leftist voting record in the Senate.

Just to set things straight, I think McCain is merely a raving socialist. When it all comes down to brass tax, I think this country is screwed no matter who gets elected.

Lastly, and , kudos to them for printing the picture. How intolerant of diversity you people on the left become when it is you oxe being gored. Like I mentioned earlier, the print and television media printed far worse of Nixon, Reagan, Ford, Bush, Bush, Gingrich (remember the Grinch who stole Chrismas drawing?), Bork, Thomas, Rice, Cheney, and on and on. The First Amendment was written to protect political speach, and more specifically, to protect offensive political speech. If you don't like the the drawing, don't look at it or grow a thicker skin. The only apology necessary should be for not making it more offensive.

[Avanti]

doby---Please he needs to suck it up and take it, it is all part of being in the public eye. The media does it to everyone, he is no exception.

[Doby]

I'm just saying that no-one deserves that......The media needs to grow up.

[Bill-SOCAL]

1. He is an Afro-Centerst. He sat in Reverend wright's pew for twenty years listening to the hatred this man had for White America. He was close personal friends with him for two decades. He sleeps with a woman who has no pride in her country. Your makup is determined by the company you keep.

And of course you are choosing to use the Faux New Quote of Michelle Obama's that leaves out the "really". She said it was the first time in her adult life she was REALLY proud. Not the first time she was proud. But then you'd have no leg to stand on then. Oh well.

2. Listen to what he says, then go read some of Lenin's speaches. Even liberal media claim he has the most leftist voting record in the Senate.

Well, not really. He was labeled by a right leaning publication as being the most Liberal, not the "most leftist". Not really the same thing. But then again you guys on the right need to think that anyone who does not agree with you hates America.

Just to set things straight, I think McCain is merely a raving socialist. When it all comes down to brass tax, I think this country is screwed no matter who gets elected.

Well, we sort of agree on that. In the end I think neither party has our best interest at heart. But I do know that I do not want another 4 to 8 years of the same old thing, and despite McCain's protestations to the contrary, his actions say that is exactly what we will get with him.

Lastly, and , kudos to them for printing the picture. How intolerant of diversity you people on the left become when it is you oxe being gored.

Well, I agree on the publishing it part. But what concerns me most is that a number of people on the right have failed to see it for what it is. And that is that it is mocking THEM for their smear politics. Look at the title of this thread for an example.

I think everyone is fair game, but it amuses me how the right does not share that opinion unless it is aimed at the Liberals. How many times have we heard the right say that doing anything that questions the great and mighty Bush is akin to being a traitor.

The cover IS offensive, and it was meant to be in order to make the point of how absurd it is to believe the crap being spread about Obama. It is too bad that Obama did not let that work for him.

[Dr. Jet]

........there are so many in this country that think [Barak Hussein Obama] would make a good President. To those that do, I ask you two questions: What legislative achievements has he accomplished? [He] talks a lot about change.............. What exactly (and how) does Barack Hussein propose to change in America?

Bill,

You were very quick to answer all my posts... except this one. Why is that? (Past political leader reference left out).

[Bill-SOCAL]

Sorry, had to go live a bit of my life away from the keyboard.

You asked two questions:

I ask you two questions: What legislative achievements has he accomplished? [He] talks a lot about change.............. What exactly (and how) does Barack Hussein propose to change in America?

Fair enough. Let's look at #1 first.

What legislative achievements has he accomplished?

Well, this is obviously asked because you feel that he has none. Which is sort of correct. Since he has only been in the US Senate for a short time he has not had the full opportunity to propose or enact much. 18 months is not a long time to get things done. However, he does have a fairly long record in the Illinois state senate. Here's an article that helps detail some of that experience:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/03/AR2008010303303.html

My favorite line from that article is this one:

Taken together, these accomplishments demonstrate that Obama has what Dillard, the Republican state senator, calls a "unique" ability "to deal with extremely complex issues, to reach across the aisle and to deal with diverse people." In other words, Obama's campaign claim that he can persuade us to rise above what divides us is not just rhetoric.

Even his Republican counterparts respected him and his accomplishments.

And I guess it troubles you not at all that McCain, while having a much longer record in the US Senate, has an interesting history. He introduced a bill, called McCain-Feingold to change campaign finance. He now ignores the very things he proposed.

He has done the same with immigration policy and veteran benefits. He voted against the latest veterans aid bill and then let Bush actually give him credit for it when it was signed into law. Even if I do not agree with his politics, I wish McCain at least had the courage of his own convictions. Seems very odd that he now opposes many of the things he actually proposed into law. So much for records.

One thing I would like to ask you, why is it so important to you on the right to keep making sure everybody knows his middle name is Hussein?? To do that you don't even use his full name, just Barack Hussein. Why is that??


Question #2 - What exactly (and how) does Barack Hussein propose to change in America?

First take a look at his own words, since I think that is better than me trying to speak for him:

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/

For me personally I see Obama as a change in the way we do business. Bush's way and the Neo-Con way has gotten us nowhere. Can anyone honestly say we are better off today than we were 8 years ago?? I certainly cannot.

So if I understand you correctly, you prefer to have McCain, who will essentially maintain the status quo, despite the fact that road has proven to be a bad one?

[Dr. Jet]

So if I understand you correctly, you prefer to have McCain, who will essentially maintain the status quo, despite the fact that road has proven to be a bad one?

That is correct. I would prefer someone who would appoint Supreme Court justices that are Strict Constitutionalists as opposed to someone who will appoint judges who see the Constitution as a vehicle to impose their own view of things.

Bush's Presidency is a proven success in three areas. We have not been attacked by the fanatical muslums since September 11, our taxes are lower, and I have the CODIFIED right to my guns. I shudder to think of another ACLU activist judge like Ruth Bader-Ginsberg.

As far as our borders, language, and culture go, he has failed us. Kerry and Gore would have done far worse I believe.

[avengersteve]

got to ask, do you only like obama because he is a democrat? look at it like this.. if he gets elected and fails.. our will be pissed at democrats and a republican will be top do again.. the cycle always repeats it self.. I believe some one already said it best
"this nation is full of winers"

everyone bitches about Iraq and bring our people home. I .. point being. they are soldiers... they sign up for a job they do it. if they don't want to they quit and come home as some one who has 90% of their family in the military I can say proudly.. if you have and issue with making this country safe, feel free to come kiss my red white and blue ass

[Dr. Jet]

Steve,

That may be a just a bit harsh. Even though I think those on the left are severely misguided consumers of left-wing media propaganda, and that liberalism has to be a mental disorder (doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results), I still consider Bill-SoCal a friend. The polital banter is just that. Like I said earlier, were screwed no matter what. I just think one outcome will mean we are MORE screwed.

The people that can kiss my red, white, and blue bum usually wear turbans and shout "Death to America!" If I were King for a Day, they would be looking at a 50-megaton nuclear device heading their way.

[Steven Vaccaro]

If I were King for a Day, they would be looking at a 50-megaton nuclear device heading their way.

Judging by a Jewish friend of mine that has many family members in Jerusalem, you may get your wish very soon.


Seems from my end of things that we have to vote for someone that has some guts. Any guy that's drops his mentor of 20 years, to be frank, doesn't have the balls to stand up for us in these times of conflict! You just don't do what he did. It goes against everything I stand for. Whats that old saying about "A tiger doesn't change....", neither will Barack.

I'm not happy about the Rep candidate, but for sure wont be voting Barack the wolf in sheep's clothing.

[Dr. Jet]

Seems from my end of things that we have to vote for someone that has some guts. Any guy that's drops his mentor of 20 years, to be frank, doesn't have the balls to stand up for us in these times of conflict! You just don't do what he did. It goes against everything I stand for. Whats that old saying about "A tiger doesn't change....", neither will Barack.

I'm not happy about the Rep candidate, but for sure wont be voting Barack the wolf in sheep's clothing.

Very astute of you Steven, and well said.

[Steven Vaccaro]

Thanks, buts its a statement I wish I didn't have to make. The last couple of times around I had to vote for "the devil I knew". Not something I'm happy about. When will we get a Republican candidate I can truly say "I want to vote for" ? Sadly there were a couple that ran this year that I may have been able to say that about, but the rest of the country picked McCain. Not sure what they see in him?

[Hydromaniac]

Its very hard to grasp, In a country of this size that these are the best choices any political party has to offer. SCARY TIMES AHEAD!!

[Dr. Jet]

Thanks, buts its a statement I wish I didn't have to make. The last couple of times around I had to vote for "the devil I knew". Not something I'm happy about. When will we get a Republican candidate I can truly say "I want to vote for" ? Sadly there were a couple that ran this year that I may have been able to say that about, but the rest of the country picked McCain. Not sure what they see in him?

Again, very astute and well said.

Unfortunately, I must say the last few times I voted, it was AGAINST the other guy as opposed to FOR my guy.

Scary times ahead indeed.

P.S. Someone just sent me the text of an interview Investor's Business Daily did with Sarah Palin, Alaska's Governor. Now that is a woman I would vote FOR in a heartbeat, and would make an EXCELLENT President. That will never happen though, because she is obviously not part of our political machine and the government/media complex. If you feel so inclined, do a search for it.

[avengersteve]

may have been a bit harsh yes, but I cannot stand how people are so fueled by the media.. its a cartoon...
all people see in oboma is that is not a republican. Hell even before the war started bush asked congress to go, he made a statement that this war would take years and years to be finished. Now that it is still going on people are like this is too long.. do you think it will be over in a day?? AHH! hell we are still in Japan......

Id like to know why any American feels as though a picture of a u.s soldier pointing and laughing at a disrobed raghead is wrong, and immoral and all that jazz. these are the same people taking our loved ones and friends. beating them and cutting their heads off. but we cant simulate drowning"? yes we are above them we have means of "torture" that is mainly psychological not lets cut thirer limbs off till they talk..

lets switch gears since we are on politics. Immigration...
locally here an illegal and 4 of his Mexican friends recently raped rapidity a 12 yr old girl. And due to the nature of the crime.. and the fact they are illegal's, they are getting special treatment in jail.. they are in a special place where the gen. population will not touch them.. I want a president that will fight for pos like this to be put in sing sing and be dealt with like all the other child molesters in this country. not deport them so they can swim back over and do it again

To be honest I miss September 12 2001. the day that all of us as Americans stood as a whole and said lets put our petty differences aside, today we are not black, with Jewish or catholic... we are Americans.. and you just effed up.

long rant short. i wish people would make discions based on more than 3 key views this year. Iraq, Oil prices, And the media