Obama's got some interesting thoughts running around that head of his................

[sundog]

Sundog,
To say the least, you absolutely amaze me....
My pleasure, Sanjir.

This country used to stand for many freedoms, one of which was personal freedom...
"used to"? - it still does!

So blame away Sundog. You can't give away all your personal freedoms and still claim your have liberty.
Are we still on the same subject?

And then to have the presidente tell american what they achieved personally, they did not do on their own.... Why is that?
Let's face it - someone helped you get where you are today. That was the gist of the message.

And to your comment "Living High on the Hog": That offends even me!
I think you mean you would have been offended...

Sanjir, thank you for the kind words. This discussion wasn't about liberty, but I think I understand your point. And "high on the hog" meant a big lifestyle - not to offend anyone, but to show that it was a matter of choice, not something that was necessary to get by. I also understand that some folks income depends on a good economy - customers with disposable income. And the economy is crappy in part because of congress not cooperating with each other for the common good. I think Stevens gripe was mainly that he has to work hard for what he gets, while others sit at home and watch TV. But keep in mind that those people have nothing (to show for it). And my point is that we need to care for them as well. If 'they' become homeless, hungry or ill, they will steal (or worse) from you and me to get what they need to survive. Maybe take a chance on going to jail, because in jail you at least get 3 meals and a cot. And I can hear some yackers out there saying "I'll shoot the first...", but consider the reality that you will go to prison if you were just protecting your pantry. So don't be greedy, hell, it doesn't look good on you. Steven is doing his part with 40% taxes paid! I trust his family knows the sacrifices he makes for them.

And remember, America is made up of a potpourri of nationalities - always has been. All of them Americans. But not Douggie, LOL. Obama a twit coming from an old (Canadian!) fart? Toe the line..

[domwilson]

I understand what you're saying. Businesses got where they are because of customers. People get educated because of teachers. etc. Both parties have made some grave decisions. Mostly based on theories that just didn't pan out. Very few saw that deregulation of the mortgage industry would have such dire consequences on our economy. Few saw greed would become the rule rather than the exception. Both parties need to come together and work for the common good of the people rather than fighting like gang bangers over something they don't own. Republicans are right in that we should have values and traditions. Democrats are right in that we should put america first. Everything else they are just bumbling idiots who have their own self/party interests at heart. This country is great not in just its military might but in its financial strengths. We set the tone for emerging technologies and advancements. Yet like idiots, we farm out the manufacturing and services to foreign countries only for us to buy them back. We're bleeding here. Money that should be here is going overseas. Only a few are benefiting from this kind of stupidity. Meanwhile, to pay for all this stupidity, we as a nation are losing our shirts. Spreading the wealth sounds bad, but that depends on who's talking. Bring back manufacturing, provide jobs, fair wages and benefits to our own, Produce quality products. Let the world buy from us. Reduce trade deficits and domestic debt. Eventually it will balance out. I think that any company that asked for a U.S. bailout better have 90% of its production and operations here in the U.S. Domestic policy should take precedence over foreign policy.

[domwilson]

Another rant. Obama won his presidency on hope and change. People wanted more of a voice in our government, its operations and functions. Something that has been lacking for many years.
Throw in a couple of wars, patriot act and homeland SS, um security and it was easy for people to believe. IMO he has failed on some of his promises. But we as a people need to choose our leaders based on what they can and will do and how well their ideologies align with our own. Forget what party they belong to. That's a party that we the people aren't invited to.
I quote from Master Obe won kenobi. "Who's the more foolish? The fool or the fool who follows him?" Let's stop being fools! I try to think like this, If I was the President, How would I fix this country? Choose the leader based on how close he comes to your solution. If your solution is different from what the leader who represents your party or more in line with the other guy, Make your choice based on that and not on what somebody tells you. Exercise your freedom while you can (or somebody from Homeland Security will exercise it for you.) I for one don't want to live in a society that looks like something from an old war movie where everywhere I go some dingleberry is asking for my "Papers!"

[Punisher 67]

Yuuup another good ole discussion...............Some good points here guys..................

[Steven Vaccaro]

This is interesting. Obama has plenty of time for Fund raising, but not enough time to meet with his OWN jobs council.

[sundog]

Obama bashing LOL

That's not much of a bash there, how about Romneys refusal to disclose his tax statement prior to 2010? Why? Is he trying to hide something? Because if he's not, he's making a very bad decision to not be more transparent. Today on NPR I heard that he has between 20 and 102 million in his retirement fund - when he can only invest up to 30 thousand a year legally. Not looking good Mitt. And what kind of name is that? Mitt? Is that his whole name or a shortened version? Soon it may stand for My Income Tax Troubles.......

[Steven Vaccaro]

That's not much of a bash there, how about Romneys refusal to disclose his tax statement prior to 2010? Why? Is he trying to hide something? Because if he's not, he's making a very bad decision to not be more transparent. Today on NPR I heard that he has between 20 and 102 million in his retirement fund - when he can only invest up to 30 thousand a year legally. Not looking good Mitt. And what kind of name is that? Mitt? Is that his whole name or a shortened version? Soon it may stand for My Income Tax Troubles.......

What has Obama done so well in his first term that makes you want to employ him again for his second term? In my eyes the only thing positive(not in my eyes) anyone can point to is health care. Otherwise he is a failure in about every other aspect.

Lets not get into transparency. Obama was supposed to be the most transparent President ever. The only thing transparent about him is all the teleprompters on his stage. Here is a good picture for you.

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[Darin Jordan]

That's not much of a bash there, how about Romneys refusal to disclose his tax statement prior to 2010? Why? Is he trying to hide something? Because if he's not, he's making a very bad decision to not be more transparent.

OMG could you Dems BE more hypocritical!!??? Hahahahaha... thanks for the belly laugh this morning... that was really priceless!!

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[Steven Vaccaro]

Imagine needing a teleprompter to speak in front of grammar school children???? Didn't this guy go to Harvard!!!!

[domwilson]

Imagine a society where a leader is judged on real issues and not on trivialities...
We can go back many years and pick out trivial issues about each and every president.
But I can only think of one who actually had a cartoon show based on him.

Alex Jones is a conspiracy theorist. He was even Harder on Bush2k.

[Steven Vaccaro]

that being said, we then have to do the same for the person he is going to run against. where's the fun in that

[domwilson]

that being said, we then have to do the same for the person he is going to run against. where's the fun in that

There's plenty of fun in it. You have two targets instead of one.

On a different note.
How to recoup some of the monies that shareholders lose on risky business behavior or fraud committed by execs.?

Pay per view Arena battle Brawl! Where the shareholders get to exact their revenge on those who stole or lost their money.

[domwilson]

http://www.cleveredfool.com/motivational-posters-republican-presidential-candidates.html

[Steven Vaccaro]

Dom dont make this so easy

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...osters-Sarcasm

PS, I'm not along for the racist ones. The first ones the best and most accurate.

[domwilson]

That was easy.