Washington redskins cheerleader crippled for life after being vaccinated

[RCprince]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mh5F5wP8RdU&feature=player_embedded#

I'd rather get man love before I get any vaccination.

[Fluid]

Suit yourself. Vaccinations have virtually eliminated many highly contageous fatal diseases, like polio, small pox and TB. But by golly you know better....good luck.



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[RCprince]

That was then, now everything is underscored by profit. Not a test dummy, sorry.

[RCprince]

I remember when I went in the military. During boot camp we were vaccinated a few days later, I woke one morning I was urinating blood, thinking quickly I had a Gatorade bottle that I used and filled with 20 oz of blood. I was like WTF is going on here... the doctor tried to tell me I had a Kidney Stone. I said Never again...and I meant it.

[Bill-SOCAL]

A very sad situation, but it is not correct to associate the disorder with the vaccination.

Some references:

http://www.dystonia-foundation.org/pages/dystonia___flu_vaccine/569.php

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/dystonia.html

http://www.ninds.nih.gov/disorders/d..._dystonias.htm

Bottom line, there is no known or scientifically proven relationship between any vaccine and this condition.

But typical of the news media they care more about ratings than actually getting the truth out.

Here is a great little passage to keep in mind. Dr. Dean Edell used to use this in his radio show to explain why people need to be wary of how they interpret cause and effect relationships:

My first introduction to squirrely (or at least poorly interpreted) research results came from listening to one of my favorite radio personalities -- Dr. Dean Edell. Dr. Dean would explain to a caller why research she was citing might not be so accurate as she would like to believe. His explanation would go something like this, "Suppose someone did a study of a group of people who died in car accidents, and learned that every single one of them had eaten carrots within two weeks of their car accident. Do you think the evidence would suggest that carrots cause deadly car accidents?"

[domwilson]

RCPrince, I respect your individual choice. Yes, there are vaccines that have prevented serious diseases in the past as there will be in the future. This one has alot of negative press that shouldn't be ignored. People have the right, at least for now, to make the choice to accept this vaccine or not. So stand by your guns on your personal choice.

[Bill-SOCAL]

RCPrince, I respect your individual choice. Yes, there are vaccines that have prevented serious diseases in the past as there will be in the future. This one has alot of negative press that shouldn't be ignored. People have the right, at least for now, to make the choice to accept this vaccine or not. So stand by your guns on your personal choice.

I have no issues with people exercising their personal choices, but I much prefer that their choices be based on verifiable science and not crap they see on TV or the Internet.

Knowledge is power and ignorance is weakness. Get the facts, then make a decision.

[domwilson]

I have no issues with people exercising their personal choices, but I much prefer that their choices be based on verifiable science and not crap they see on TV or the Internet.

Knowledge is power and ignorance is weakness. Get the facts, then make a decision.

I agree with you completely. The facts on this and so many other issues are often distorted. Unfortunately, so many rely on the mass media for their information or should I say misinformation. When dealing with the media, "Trust, but verify" is always a good practice.

[RCprince]

I never said that people should not get vaccinated, I said that I won't. People are accountable for their own Bodies.

[Bill-SOCAL]

I never said that people should not get vaccinated, I said that I won't. People are accountable for their own Bodies.

True, but it appears you are basing your decision on faulty information, which is your perfect right to do, but still unfortunate to see done.

35,000 people die from the flu every year and this year is predicted to be one of the worst in many years. That works out to around 1 in every 10,000 people.

Incidents of vaccine related illness do occur, but at a very low rate, and death or severe impairment are exceedingly rare.

So to me this is sort of like saying you will not wear a seat belt because if a meteor hits your car it will do no good. That ignores the clear benefit of using the seat belt for the more likely circumstance of a fender bender.

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/safety/default.htm

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/side-effects.htm

But, like you said, you are free to choose as you see fit no matter what the basis of that decision may be.

[RCprince]

Not at all, I've based my decision on my experience with vaccines. In addition to suffering from Iatrophobia.

[Bill-SOCAL]

Not at all, I've based my decision on my experience with vaccines. In addition to suffering from Iatrophobia.

So you feel an irrational fear is a suitable basis for an informed decision?

Oh well, like you said, it is your decision. I just hope that you are not using the same odd "logic" to decide to vaccinate your children if you have nay.

[Fluid]

This reminds me of a friend's experience with seatbelts. He was in a very serious car crash 20 years ago and was thrown from the car (he was not wearing his seatbelt). His brother was wearing his seatbelt and was trapped in the burning car and died. My friend will never wear seatbelts again based on his personal experience. Is his decision rational or emotional? You tell me.




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[Bill-SOCAL]

This reminds me of a friend's experience with seatbelts. He was in a very serious car crash 20 years ago and was thrown from the car (he was not wearing his seatbelt). His brother was wearing his seatbelt and was trapped in the burning car and died. My friend will never wear seatbelts again based on his personal experience. Is his decision rational or emotional? You tell me.
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Absolutely emotional. How many people survive being "thrown clear" i.e. ejected, from a vehicle versus those who are saved by wearing a seat belt?

How many die due to being strapped in versus die from being ejected from the vehicle?

This is sort of like the situation with smoking. Yes, there are people who live to be 95 and smoke every day. But the fact is MOST do not and it makes you wonder if that person would have survived to 110 if they had not smoked.

But back on subject, while it is true that in some very rare circumstances a vaccination can cause a reaction and even more rarely death, it is indisputable that NOT being vaccinated increases your chances of an illness, and possibly death, by many factors greater than the chance of an adverse reaction.

[RCprince]

This reminds me of a friend's experience with seatbelts. He was in a very serious car crash 20 years ago and was thrown from the car (he was not wearing his seatbelt). His brother was wearing his seatbelt and was trapped in the burning car and died. My friend will never wear seatbelts again based on his personal experience. Is his decision rational or emotional? You tell me.




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I beg to differ, comparing seat belt wearing to being inoculated, by a vaccine that have a history of killing more than the virus, is kinda unfair. I mean, come on now Fluid.