Check out this Hydro.

[nate]

http://www.r2hobbies.com/proddetail.php?prod=rcbt0027


Looks Sweet.:thumbup1:

[nate]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ETTI-SABER-with-Flood-Chamber-Carbon-Fiber-Hull_W0QQitemZ290296764830QQcmdZViewItemQQptZRadio _Control_Vehicles?hash=item439709199e&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12|66%3A2|39%3A1|72%3A1205|240%3A13 18|301%3A0|293%3A1|294%3A50

[AndyKunz]

Looks like Kirstie Allie to me :)

Andy

[Diegoboy]

http://www.r2hobbies.com/proddetail.php?prod=rcbt0027


Looks Sweet.:thumbup1:

I like the "unlimited hydros" they have, but they have been out of stock for months! :cursing:

[Gerwin Brommer]

What is that, that all you Americans love these ARR boats ???
I don't get it.
Ready to Run = IMO : a compromise , between "average users, and cheap manufactering "
For example : look at the angle of the driveshaft !!!!!!!!!!!!! so wrong !
I understand why they "need"a 120 amps esc :-)
Even the sound : you can hear that the motor has a hard time doing it's duty !!
Centre rudder/strut : wrong. But cheaper than a seperate rudder.

[Diegoboy]

That is a bold statement to say...

all you Americans love these ARR boats ???


That means literally the entire Population: 303,824,640 (July 2008 est.) loves AAR boats? I don't. Does that mean it's now 303,824,639? Even if it does, that statement you made is still wrong.
I use whatever hull I like and then I do what I want to it. :thumbup1:

Otherwise. I agree with the rest of what you said.

[nate]

What is that, that all you Americans love these ARR boats ???
I don't get it.
Ready to Run = IMO : a compromise , between "average users, and cheap manufactering "
For example : look at the angle of the driveshaft !!!!!!!!!!!!! so wrong !
I understand why they "need"a 120 amps esc :-)
Even the sound : you can hear that the motor has a hard time doing it's duty !!
Centre rudder/strut : wrong. But cheaper than a seperate rudder.


Gerwin,

Im a cheap Kinnda guy man what can I say hahaha :thumbup1:

[nate]

That is a bold statement to say...


That means literally the entire Population: 303,824,640 (July 2008 est.) loves AAR boats? I don't. Does that mean it's now 303,824,639? Even if it does, that statement you made is still wrong.
I use whatever hull I like and then I do what I want to it. :thumbup1:

Otherwise. I agree with the rest of what you said.

Thank you Diegoboy!

Yeah and half these hulls look cheap and come with cheap crap motors,

But thats the fun of buying one and using a decent brushless setup in one.

[Darin Jordan]

What is that, that all you Americans love these ARR boats ???
I don't get it.
Ready to Run = IMO : a compromise , between "average users, and cheap manufactering "
For example : look at the angle of the driveshaft !!!!!!!!!!!!! so wrong !
I understand why they "need"a 120 amps esc :-)
Even the sound : you can hear that the motor has a hard time doing it's duty !!
Centre rudder/strut : wrong. But cheaper than a seperate rudder.


Well... we don't get 2-months a year of vacation and many have to work 60+ hours a week so that our government can collect enough taxes from us to pay for all the socialist entitlement programs.... Some just don't have time to build custom stuff... :tt2:


Seriously, though... in my opinion, the enjoyment of designing and handcrafting, and then putting the result into action, is lost on many American's, and the need for cheap, instant gratification seems to take precedence. Seems to be especially prevalent in the FE world, where the technology is more complex and understanding it takes some research and education.

I don't have anything against RTRs, however, as I think they REALLY help get people involved. MANY here started with an SV27 or BJ26, and are now moving "up" to building their own stuff. Here in the US, perhaps we are a little behind in the number of people involved with FE boats, and the RTRs are a great way to pull people out of the woodwork and get them invovled...

Heck, my first boat was a Robbe Colt that I modified for O-Sport... Of course, before the season was out, almost everything on the thing had been modified! ;)

[domwilson]

What is that, that all you Americans love these ARR boats ???
I don't get it.
Ready to Run = IMO : a compromise , between "average users, and cheap manufactering "
For example : look at the angle of the driveshaft !!!!!!!!!!!!! so wrong !
I understand why they "need"a 120 amps esc :-)
Even the sound : you can hear that the motor has a hard time doing it's duty !!
Centre rudder/strut : wrong. But cheaper than a seperate rudder.

We do what we can to keep the rest of the world employed...:sarcasm1:

[Flying Scotsman]

Darin, on the button. The only comment I would add is, as Gerwin mentioned many not all RTR boats are dubious as far as QC. I purchased 2 ...SV27...UL1 and that was after I had built many hulls and was disapointed with the quality, but they are fun entry boats

Douggie

[nate]

Darin, on the button. The only comment I would add is, as Gerwin mentioned many not all RTR boats are dubious as far as QC. I purchased 2 ...SV27...UL1 and that was after I had built many hulls and was disapointed with the quality, but they are fun entry boats

Douggie

Yeah, you could just as easily go on the forums and read up a few months about building boats, learn setup, COG, props ect, then start a build,

of course it is better to have hands on before you start, so I suppose having a RTR would help more...

My first boat was the RTR Proboat Miss elam in 2002-03 I believe...

haha that was fun....


I said, and I qoute.."Ill never own an electric boat" ....


Opps...:popcorn2:

[Gerwin Brommer]

Thanks for your comments !
Of course I was a bit bold, but hey, I'm Dutch !
I understand that RTR is a nice introduction to rc-boating, but I'm sure
that 99,9 % of the people feel the need for something faster/better, after that first buy.
So the first buy becomes a kind of waste money.
People should use the search-funtion in the boards a bit more, and READ A LOT before they buy their first boat.

[nate]

Thanks for your comments !
Of course I was a bit bold, but hey, I'm Dutch !
I understand that RTR is a nice introduction to rc-boating, but I'm sure
that 99,9 % of the people feel the need for something faster/better, after that first buy.
So the first buy becomes a kind of waste money.
People should use the search-funtion in the boards a bit more, and READ A LOT before they buy their first boat.

99.9% Of the people will normally look for an upgrade in there esc, motor and prop choice to go faster...lol

I wouldnt build a $2500.00..65mph Race prep hydro for just the fun...

Some don't care about that and just want a fun sport hydro...:tongue_smilie:

[Flying Scotsman]

Gerwin :bowdown::bowdown:
Very true and I am Scottish and admire the Dutch for their values

Douggie

[nate]

I made that mistake starting the PTSS21, It won't happen again.. Very costly.

[Gerwin Brommer]

Huh ? What on earth is wrong with a Phill Thomas 21 ??????
You only have to buy a bare hull and buy the right ingredients, that's all !!!!!

[domwilson]

So the first buy becomes a kind of waste money.


Not really. As the first buy, you gain knowledge and the confidence to move up to something better.

[domwilson]

Dang, I can't seem to get that quote thing right!!!

[Diegoboy]

[ quote ] :blah: :blah: :blah: [ /quote ]
That's all!

[Gerwin Brommer]

Okay okay.

My advice to Nate :

Buy that boat. Hull only.
Buy a seperate flexcable/stuffing tube/slightly hotter motor/offset rudder, and you'll be a happy man.

[Diegoboy]

:thumbup1:
Hull only. That's how I bought my Fastech, then made it a Jet drive!
That's how I bought my Chinese Mini Bud, etc...

[785boats]

R2 hobbies offer the hull only with this one for $83.00.
We suggested to them some time ago that they offer hull only options to some of their boats so that people could put their own hardware in them. This one they did it with.
http://www.r2hobbies.com/proddetail.php?prod=rcbt0027_hull

[nate]

Okay okay.

My advice to Nate :

Buy that boat. Hull only.
Buy a seperate flexcable/stuffing tube/slightly hotter motor/offset rudder, and you'll be a happy man.

This guy obviously hasn't been reading up on my Phil Thomas build..

Dude.. wake up man, I have the boat .. and all the hardware to build it...

I was stating that it is very very exspensive to build a fast Race spec hydro...

Iv got over $2000.00 In mine already, Thats why I like to buy cheap boats for the fun, and do alittle work of my own to it..

No big deal here..

How do my threads end up like this lol :lol:

[nate]

Okay okay.

My advice to Nate :

Buy that boat. Hull only.
Buy a seperate flexcable/stuffing tube/slightly hotter motor/offset rudder, and you'll be a happy man.


So yes Iv got everything to build the cheap hull.. thats kinnda what I wanted to do..haha

[Flying Scotsman]

Not really. As the first buy, you gain knowledge and the confidence to move up to something better.

Dom, very true but many are disappointed with the performance of their first RTR. I know I was ..a Kyosho Atlantic. It was tossed after 2 runs. I still have it and if you want it send me a pm and it is yours, if you pay the shipping. The RTR boats today are much improved over the old stuff, as far as speed goes but the quality??
Gerwin's point about doing research prior to buying an RTR is very valid. There are members who offer an ability to build a boat for you and I think that is a better choice. My, 2.5 Canadian cents

Douggie

[Meniscus]

...I know I was ..a Kyosho Atlantic. It was tossed after 2 runs...

You mean to tell me it didn't become a rescue boat? :doh: Maybe you had the wrong prop :tape: ;) LOL :just-kidding:

[Flying Scotsman]

You mean to tell me it didn't become a rescue boat? :doh: Maybe you had the wrong prop :tape: ;) LOL :just-kidding:

That is funny. That wee motor and prop not a chance as far as a rescue boat :beerchug:

[properchopper]

but many are disappointed with the performance of their first RTR.
Douggie

Very true, Douggie , and I don't disagree - my first RTR was a Twinstorm. But if we view this issue from the perspective of the entry-level boater [ who we strongly need to expand the hobby], there has to be a starting point. Fortunately, in a perverse sense, most RTR's are RTM's {Ready to Modify}. This is where the learning and yearning starts and the spark can, hopefully, become a flame of enthusiasm. When I encounter a RTR boater at the lake, the first thing I do is direct them to this forum, where the mentoring is freely given and the learning curve begins. Remember too, the progression from "box art boats" to scratch built can take a intermediate step by buying a more suitable project boat from the swap shops. Advice that I frequently offer and take advantage of myself. Keep in mind, as well, that the few manufacturers that are bold enough to introduce a higher level of RTR's are caught between manufacturing costs/implications and beginner-accessable retail pricing. Sometime they hit, and obviously, sometimes they miss :doh: ! Bottom line, It's all good, and personally, I highly value the trials and errors I encountered getting the Twinnie up to speed, and am grateful for the mentoring I got and still get.

Tony

[old yeller]

Call me peculiar (maybe the Belgian heritage), but I enjoy the 'building' part of this sport as much as anything.
I will freely admit that I am a better "builder" than a "driver"
My first boat was a Graupner HydroSpeed – a kit.
Originally fitted with a 7-cell NiCad, Graupner Hydro-Drive, and 500 motor ...
a 12-pack & Kyosho 360pt reduced the Graupner plastic gear drive housing to a melted mess in short order.
The alloy one that I made to replace the plastic lump never failed. So it began.
"...the enjoyment of designing and handcrafting, and then putting the result into action, is lost on many American's"
– guess I don't fit the profile. I'd find more satisfaction with a mediocre boat that I built than a faster RTR or the fastest custom boat built by someone else.

But Darin does make a valid point: "...RTRs are a great way to pull people out of the woodwork and get them invovled..."

Who here still owns their "first buy" unmodified boat – and no other ?
Whether it is a hull & hardware, a kit, or an RTR that initiates folks into the sport, if the interest is pursued, the quest for 'a bit more speed' and a better quality model is very likely to follow.
Consequently, the statement: "So the first buy becomes a kind of waste money." can be said to be true not only for the RTR, but for virtually any 'first buy' –
but if and only if learning, experience, and enjoyment have no value.
The point being that an RTR does have the ability to attract many to the sport who might not otherwise get involved ...

Having said that, Gerwin, it seems that I often do find that 'the best designed, engineered, and detailed' boat builds come from "across the pond" – and I aspire to that quality of craftsmanship.
Now... if only I had the FUNDS and TIME to focus ...

[nate]

Hi-jACKERS Are we?....You guys I swear lol.

Douggie done went and opened up a thread...

Then had it closed down lol.

This always seems to be blown out of portion, This was just to see if anyone had ever seen the hull...

I don't believe I ever even wanted one..:huh::confused2:

[Gerwin Brommer]

Nate.

I found your topic about your SS21.
And replied :-)

If I didn't already have 2 huge walletsucking boats, I would have liked to buy and build a SS21 or SS45.

[ghostofpf1]

Just wanted to say that I received one of these hulls today and it seems OK.I will say that the tunnel floor is a bit flimsy even though it appears to be reinforced with some sort of wood (??):confused2: hard to tell as the wood (??) is part of the layup and beneath a layer of glass.I've already reinforced this area with a layer of 5.7 oz CF cloth.
Apparently made of epoxy glass lay up as advertised and not polyester glass as is the norm for these cheapy hulls. sure smells like epoxy vs polyester anyway .

I plan on using a 540 8 or 9 XL along with 4s 5000 mah lipos for motivation.


Steve

[domwilson]

I thought that looked kind of familiar...

https://shop.graupner.de/webuerp/servlet/AI?ARTN=2054

[ghostofpf1]

So these guys splashed the hull from Graupner's drag hull?


Etti Saber = 590mm
vs
Graupner Dragstar =672mm

Steve

[old yeller]

Etti Saber = 590mm
vs
Graupner Dragstar =672mm

Steve

The Etti Saber does, however, appear "quite similar" to the Hopf Godzilla M1:

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff169/53vanzen53/Jodie/th_IMG_0706.jpg (http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff169/53vanzen53/Jodie/IMG_0706.jpg)

[JBILLINGS]

all of the boats posted here are awsome , i think taking a boat that you get rtr and turning it into what you want is just part of the quest ! of course there is no substitution for building from the molded or cut frame up but most newbies like me have no idea what we want to really do because we havent been doing it long enough. i have have built a boat , i think i did a good job , i followed the directions ( baring the ride pads i still have to put on after market) :doh:, i have the requested equipment and i have put enough power into it but i still am tweaking and dialing it in with the help of you guys ! it doesnt do it for me yet you know , i heard 35 40 mph is reachable with what i have , im just thankfull i got where i can blow by a nqd v-hull. its hard and a little expensive to just start doing it , i could have bought one of those and been ready to go man !(about $80.00 cheaper too !):eek:
i guess what im trying to say is i see it both ways :bounce:just my opinion.

jimmy:zip-up:

[Gerwin Brommer]

Bigwaveohs :

The Saber from Etti is one of the best small mono's at this moment !!
I may assume you know this video : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hluBlLNr8M&feature=related