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nate
05-28-2009, 01:20 PM
Anyone know any more info on this boat, Video's, links ect.

Looks very sweet, Im not a Cat fan but Id probably go buy this bad boy!

So does Venom have this thing setup for (2) 11.1v lipo's in Par.?

Apples1
06-01-2009, 05:00 AM
it does look awersome, however i have had plenty of issues with some of Venoms other stuff, that s not to say this boat wont be brilliant, it just might kick arse. They have got a platform of plenty on other great RTR boats out there to "learn from" i look forward to the reviews

bigpapa
06-01-2009, 08:17 AM
http://www.venom-group.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=VEN%2D1810

lomdel
06-12-2009, 04:40 AM
Anyone ordered one yet?

Ub Hauled
06-12-2009, 06:04 AM
I saw the big version and it was well finished and sweet looking, if they transferred that quality to the 34" one it should be a keeper...

Hi8iS
07-10-2009, 03:45 AM
has anyone heard anything abot a possible release date for this boat?

thrashmetal
07-16-2009, 05:37 AM
my buddy runs a hobby store here in toronto and he said he has 2 on order which will be arriving next week.

another buddy of mine is buying one of the 2 coming in so i will see how it looks before i consider buying one.

i know if i do buy one the first thing ill be doing is tossing the cheap plastic props in the garbage and buying some octura props. should give it more top end for sure. venom claims mid 40s for top speed on 6s but i think you will get much more running some decent sharpened and balanced props.

Hi8iS
07-17-2009, 07:36 PM
These Venom KOS Electrics are for sale now on Ebay.
http://cgi.ebay.com/King-of-Shaves-C1-RTR-Electric-34_W0QQitemZ180381340917QQcmdZViewItemQQptZRadio_C ontrol_Vehicles?hash=item29ff90d4f5&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12|66%3A3|39%3A1|72%3A1205|293%3A1| 294%3A100

Doby
07-17-2009, 08:18 PM
It's Fine Design,,,,better make sure he has them in stock,,sometimes his stock status is less than accurate.

ozboater
07-19-2009, 12:39 PM
doby, ain t that the truth.... (not that they sell the KOS 34) but i d trust hobby city before i d deal with fdm...

always had good experience here buying from OSE... will you carry these steve ??

rigman
07-19-2009, 11:27 PM
The boat looks really interesting.. specially with the twin brushless, I can only imagine how it'll sound :)

I was downloading the PDF manual from the site. Did anyone notice that you use the transmitter to program the ESC ?, I'd like to find out if there is another way, otherwise you'd be stuck with the included radio...

Please, those guys running these post your vids!

Fluid
07-20-2009, 12:46 AM
Did anyone notice that you use the transmitter to program the ESC ?, I'd like to find out if there is another way, otherwise you'd be stuck with the included radio...
No, the ESC is programmed just like any other using the transmitter - any transmitter. Tedious but workable. You can use any radio you want, but FM or 2.4 is prerferred on any serious FE model. Actually the included radio doesn't look too bad for an FM system.



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rigman
07-20-2009, 11:20 AM
I just looked at the manual again and you're totally right, you use the throttle to set the type of Lipo.
Interesting thing I noticed, it says the boat comes with a 4 channel receiver.. I'm fairly new to boats here so bear with me... does that mean that a 3 channel receiver would not work then? I'd be nice to upgrade this boat to 2.4Ghz

6S HYDRO
07-20-2009, 11:45 AM
We seriously need some video of this boat, no one has one yet

bigcam406
07-21-2009, 09:44 AM
makes you wonder why Venom hasnt released one yet,considering they've been pluggin the boat for months.......:ThumbsDown01:

orgear
07-21-2009, 10:03 AM
The guy at the LHS went to an expo last week and got a look at the boat, he said it was very nice. Much better fit and finish than the gas boat. He said he will be able to order in two weeks. My name will be on one!

rigman
07-21-2009, 10:14 AM
I ran across this, posted by venom on june 30th on another forum (RCU):

"Working on it. To be honest we had a little mishap with two boats and it delayed our video presentation...lol The camera is in Davey Jones Locker if you catch my drift. We will have vids posted for sure pretty soon. "

:popcorn2:

crazzy maxx
07-21-2009, 02:08 PM
ok that can only mean 2 things they crashed the boat or killed the camera.... smart @sses

NitroVal
07-26-2009, 11:51 PM
Seriously, what is the deal with this boat?? I've had $500 burning a hole in my pocket for two months now, and Im about ready to spend it on something else..

orgear
07-27-2009, 12:53 PM
Mine is on order, the guy at the LHS happens to be friends with the president of Venom, so he made a call for me. I should know by the end of the week when it will get here.

bigcam406
07-28-2009, 06:32 AM
well,if and when you get your boat,let us know how it performs.the suspense is killing us....

orgear
07-28-2009, 08:09 AM
I will for sure

amo123
08-03-2009, 10:02 PM
spoke to guys at venom last week they said they were to expect there order to them to be arriving on 8/10...so they should be shipping out soon after that...:beerchug::banana:

NitroVal
08-07-2009, 01:26 PM
Well I finally preordered mine. I was planning on just waiting, but now that they bumped the release date back AGAIN, I figured I'd just prepay for it before I spend the money on something else.. Now im just ancy to recieve it. I've already ordered some 6S batteries and been looking at props and some 240A ESCs

6S HYDRO
08-07-2009, 09:55 PM
might wanna cancel that order for 6s packs- you cant use them- you need 2 3 cells. there is 2 different esc's one for each motor- one 3s per side. you could possible use 4s packs for each side. it uses the same 2881 kv motor that my head of the river df copy boat has. i run it on 4s and its blazing quick. but definately not 6 cells theres no way.

NitroVal
08-08-2009, 02:40 AM
Why not? The website says the Pro Marine 60A will handle 2-6 cells

6S HYDRO
08-08-2009, 06:00 AM
because it will blow within 5 seconds on 44.4 volts, dont believe me try it...

Doby
08-08-2009, 09:11 AM
Why not? The website says the Pro Marine 60A will handle 2-6 cells

Just because its rated for 6S,,doesn't mean it can take 6S,,,Hydras are a classic example of that.

NitroVal
08-08-2009, 02:35 PM
Just because its rated for 6S,,doesn't mean it can take 6S,,,Hydras are a classic example of that.

Call me crazy, but that dont make any freaking sense. Why rate it at 6S then? I hope Venom has good customer service, because you better believe when I get the itch for more speed, Im gonne try it out

Doby
08-08-2009, 03:19 PM
Never said it made sense, but try one out on 6S and find out:flame42:

6S HYDRO
08-08-2009, 04:48 PM
2 4s packs in that thing and you'll see- you cant handle more than that.

NitroVal
08-12-2009, 07:45 PM
Well, supposedly Venom got their shipment in on the 11th, and is suppose to immediately turn around and ship them out to fill their orders. I heard current shipment numbers were just over 100 (1300 if I remember correctly). Im curious as to whether or not all the hype made this boat that popular and the late pre-orders wont get filled until the next batch of boats cross the pond..

Brushless55
08-13-2009, 12:56 AM
Mine is on order, the guy at the LHS happens to be friends with the president of Venom, so he made a call for me. I should know by the end of the week when it will get here.


this guy is feading you a line bro.. :doh:

Brushless55
08-13-2009, 12:58 AM
Call me crazy, but that dont make any freaking sense. Why rate it at 6S then? I hope Venom has good customer service, because you better believe when I get the itch for more speed, Im gonne try it out



The escs may take 6s but the motors will not.. :cool2:

NitroVal
08-13-2009, 01:52 PM
The escs may take 6s but the motors will not.. :cool2:

Yea, thats what I can to find out. The guy I talked to at Venom said the motors will handle 4S with a stock sized metal prop, but thats pushing it. Regardless, I plan to make mine do 60mph before long

Brushless55
08-13-2009, 07:53 PM
Yea, thats what I can to find out. The guy I talked to at Venom said the motors will handle 4S with a stock sized metal prop, but thats pushing it. Regardless, I plan to make mine do 60mph before long

with new motors?

NitroVal
08-13-2009, 08:10 PM
Among other things....

Brushless55
08-13-2009, 08:17 PM
do you know when you will have the boat to start your mods?

NitroVal
08-13-2009, 08:23 PM
I wish... It supposed to be sometime next week, but Venom's past release dates dont inspire a whole lot of confidence in me

Brushless55
08-13-2009, 08:23 PM
I hear ya!

NitroVal
08-14-2009, 05:35 PM
From RC Universe...

Hey Guys-
Sorry about that. The boats arrived Wed and have been shipping. The look killer with the updated decals. Our video boat is ready to go so we'll get some video for you ASAP.
Chad

Brushless55
08-15-2009, 10:30 AM
I've seen someone really trying to sell this boat over at RCU
I hope they come out with a video soon.. not sure if its worth the $500 they want?

NativePaul
08-15-2009, 05:55 PM
I expect like the hydras it will be OK on 6s but with a low KV 6s motor not the motor that comes with it, the stock KV is good for 3 or 4s but with 4s the ESC is a bit low on the amp rating around 100A would be much safer props may be an issue with 4s though as even in a twin 42s will be much too big and 30s too small.

NitroVal
08-15-2009, 09:04 PM
Does Neu make any 380 sized motors?

NitroVal
08-19-2009, 01:28 AM
Looks like Tower Hobbies just got their first batch..
http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&P=IA&I=LXXLH9

Brushless55
08-19-2009, 11:28 PM
whos up first?

Drag Boat Bob
08-23-2009, 12:16 PM
According to UPS tracking, mine arrives tomorrow.

I will post the details then.

Rumdog
08-23-2009, 12:19 PM
MAN, I'm actually excited for you! What a delay! Hopefully they're all they're cracked up to be by Venom! It's definately beautiful.

Drag Boat Bob
08-23-2009, 12:36 PM
MAN, I'm actually excited for you! What a delay! Hopefully they're all they're cracked up to be by Venom! It's definately beautiful.

Yeah, I am excited too. It came somewhat as a surprise as I purchased it back in June and stopped checking on it because it was... July... late July... Aug... etc.

I was just getting ready to leave for the lake cabin (and do the lubricants testing with the UL-1) when I received the email notice that it was being sent.

Naturally I decided to wait for it. :banana:

bigcam406
08-23-2009, 04:50 PM
just saw a vid of the boat.its on the RCU site.its not the greatest as the guy was driving and filming at the same time.looks promising though.

egneg
08-23-2009, 05:29 PM
just saw a vid of the boat.its on the RCU site.its not the greatest as the guy was driving and filming at the same time.looks promising though.

That and there was quite a bit of chop - looked good for what it was.

Drag Boat Bob
08-23-2009, 06:12 PM
just saw a vid of the boat.its on the RCU site.its not the greatest as the guy was driving and filming at the same time.looks promising though.

After that video, I'm feeling better already... :rockon2:

It looked faster than I expected with those small props.

Rumdog
08-23-2009, 07:28 PM
link please

RCprince
08-23-2009, 07:55 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a60a2o4H5EI

RCprince
08-23-2009, 07:57 PM
After that video, I'm feeling better already... :rockon2:

It looked faster than I expected with those small props.

High kv motors.

Rumdog
08-23-2009, 08:09 PM
hmmmmmmm

Brushless55
08-23-2009, 08:53 PM
High kv motors.


I think they are 2850kv motors?

showstoppercat
08-24-2009, 03:40 AM
Dragon Mini Cat 820

http://www.storacingproducts.com/dragon-mini-cat-twin-brushless.html

New! 880mm Twin Brushless Motor Ready To Race

Speeds up top 50mph+

Length - 820mm#
•Width - 240mm
•Weight - 2400g
•Speed Controller - 2x 40 Amp Water Cooled (Included)
•Radio - 2 channel (Included)
•Motor - 2x Water Cooled 2636kv brushless (Included)
•Battery - 2x 11.1v 2100 - 4500Mah Lipo (Not Included)
•Hull Material - Fibreglass (FRP). Propeller - D36 x P1.4

Im guessing this a copy of the KOS venom product

RCprince
08-24-2009, 09:34 AM
Dragon Mini Cat 820

http://www.storacingproducts.com/dragon-mini-cat-twin-brushless.html

New! 880mm Twin Brushless Motor Ready To Race

Speeds up top 50mph+

Length - 820mm#
•Width - 240mm
•Weight - 2400g
•Speed Controller - 2x 40 Amp Water Cooled (Included)
•Radio - 2 channel (Included)
•Motor - 2x Water Cooled 2636kv brushless (Included)
•Battery - 2x 11.1v 2100 - 4500Mah Lipo (Not Included)
•Hull Material - Fibreglass (FRP). Propeller - D36 x P1.4

Im guessing this a copy of the KOS venom product

Sick

Drag Boat Bob
08-24-2009, 09:50 AM
Here is another one (looks similar) and it is "in stock".

http://www.jethobby.com.sg/cgi-bin/ezsite/prod/manager.cgi?action=show&pid=1795&cid=47&idx=1&gid=3

Apparently needs and ESC and radio however.

Brushless55
08-24-2009, 10:14 AM
Dragon Mini Cat 820

http://www.storacingproducts.com/dragon-mini-cat-twin-brushless.html

New! 880mm Twin Brushless Motor Ready To Race

Speeds up top 50mph+

Length - 820mm#
•Width - 240mm
•Weight - 2400g
•Speed Controller - 2x 40 Amp Water Cooled (Included)
•Radio - 2 channel (Included)
•Motor - 2x Water Cooled 2636kv brushless (Included)
•Battery - 2x 11.1v 2100 - 4500Mah Lipo (Not Included)
•Hull Material - Fibreglass (FRP). Propeller - D36 x P1.4

Im guessing this a copy of the KOS venom product


that looks awesome, I don't think it's a copy just a different version..
venom puts their name on alot of things and usually adds to the price

Drag Boat Bob
08-24-2009, 10:46 AM
I found a quote over on RCU that I'm curious about:

"ORIGINAL: VENOMOUS

The EKOS handles rough water well. Its been tested in different lake water conditions and temperatures from below freezing to 90F normal summer days.
The photo of the props looking like 4 blader's is interesting. The EKOS comes with 3 blade props standard and a spare set are included.
We have tested the EKOS with 4S 3200mah Lipos and the 1.4X36mm props and running temps were fine. The speed was the same as the UL-1 for comparison."

Did he say 4S? Hmmmm...

Jeff Wohlt
08-24-2009, 11:09 AM
Good running cat. 40 amp ESCs? wow....

Just give me a hull and I will take care of the rest :) Looks like that hull can handle 70 mph but a crash could show you how well it is made.

RCprince
08-24-2009, 12:25 PM
That Minicat seems to be trimmed quite nicely.

Drag Boat Bob
08-24-2009, 12:35 PM
Good running cat. 40 amp ESCs? wow....

Just give me a hull and I will take care of the rest :) Looks like that hull can handle 70 mph but a crash could show you how well it is made.

Actually the EKOS has 60 amp ESC's. Tower has a listing for the hull only (order pending) for $132.99 and they are accepting back orders.

http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0005p?&I=VNRB1810&P=Z

Jeff Wohlt
08-24-2009, 02:03 PM
Just got 2 of them! One will be for running this evening and one is for sale.

I wills say, I have NEVER seen a factory boat this well done. Perfect set up. Rudder also has a hole for water but two lines coming up from brass in front of the rudder should work well. We already slid them down deeper.

Hull is so damn nice. Scale and all stickers and trimming has a very thick clearcoat...almost epoxy. Nothing will come off. Inside is very nice...all wood is epoxied. Out of a 10 I would give it a 10...no kidding!

Yes, 60 amp ESC. Nice motors with the built in cooling can. Nice radio...I think airtronics.

I will sell one for $495 shipped to your door in US only. You must PM me for paypal address. You will have by the weekend!

I have some pics but have to send from my phone.

Eggy
08-24-2009, 02:17 PM
Sounds to good to be true Jeff, please take some shots or even better film todays ride, some shots/vids from the inside of the hull as well would be nice.

Drag Boat Bob
08-24-2009, 02:23 PM
Just got 2 of them! One will be for running this evening and one is for sale.

I wills say, I have NEVER seen a factory boat this well done. Perfect set up. Rudder also has a hole for water but two lines coming up from brass in front of the rudder should work well. We already slid them down deeper.

Hull is so damn nice. Scale and all stickers and trimming has a very thick clearcoat...almost epoxy. Nothing will come off. Inside is very nice...all wood is epoxied. Out of a 10 I would give it a 10...no kidding!

Yes, 60 amp ESC. Nice motors with the built in cooling can. Nice radio...I think airtronics.

I will sell one for $495 shipped to your door in US only. You must PM me for paypal address. You will have by the weekend!

I have some pics but have to send from my phone.

WOW! From "just give me a hull" to getting 2 EKOS'. You must have connections...

Some lucky guy is going to be very happy, as Tower doesn't have any right now.

Jeff Wohlt
08-24-2009, 02:28 PM
That is what I thought as well.....I was looking for blemishes...poor quality of something...not there.

I plan to go shoot some video this evening but girlfriend may have something else to say...oh well they are a dime a dozen...boats first! :rockon2:

Very impressive. Small three blade props but should scream. We will run it on 2S each side but I figure the 3S is the way to go but we do not have any 3S....hmmm...got 4S but not sure I should do that.

Box says 40 mph out of the box.

I just sent a phot from my phone to my e-mail but nothing yet.

Radio alread has a baloon on it. Servo mount is alum. Motors are straight with shafts and no slants....and room for some nice 540 Xls !

Jeff Wohlt
08-24-2009, 02:34 PM
It is not me with connections. I just get the benefits :) Yes, they are really here.

RCprince
08-24-2009, 02:39 PM
I know you already know this Jeff, but on RCU the guy who was also so kind to post a video and pics said he lost a shaft, So tighten everything.

Brushless55
08-24-2009, 02:43 PM
I may have to get one from tower for $440 and try it on 4s! :banana:

Jeff Wohlt
08-24-2009, 02:44 PM
Thanks for the warning. One of the guys is going thru it now. Not sure the flex cables are soldered eith but he is pulling them anyway.

just called him...one set screw was not very tight.

Drag Boat Bob
08-24-2009, 02:59 PM
I may have to get one from tower for $440 and try it on 4s! :banana:

For 4S we'll need to start looking for some metal props. Unfortunately the selection isn't that big (need a right hand and left hand). I just do not believe those plastic ones will be able to stay together the first time the boat gets airborne and they go 45k+ rpm.

Jeff Wohlt
08-24-2009, 04:36 PM
Might have to use some CF L&R to get started. These look pretty hard so I am gueesing they will flex some. Good looking little props.

Just grabbed my work Mino HD and will try to get some video.

Drag Boat Bob
08-24-2009, 05:01 PM
Might have to use some CF L&R to get started. These look pretty hard so I am gueesing they will flex some. Good looking little props.

Just grabbed my work Mino HD and will try to get some video.

Since mine won't arrive for a couple of hours, can you tell me the measurments of the battery box?

Bob

6S HYDRO
08-24-2009, 05:07 PM
Here is another one (looks similar) and it is "in stock".

http://www.jethobby.com.sg/cgi-bin/e...47&idx=1&gid=3

Apparently needs and ESC and radio however.






what, thats a total rip. 498.00 w/ no esc servo or radio. the new venom is rtr for that price and only 370.00 to dealers

Drag Boat Bob
08-24-2009, 05:23 PM
Here is another one (looks similar) and it is "in stock".

http://www.jethobby.com.sg/cgi-bin/e...47&idx=1&gid=3

Apparently needs and ESC and radio however.






what, thats a total rip. 498.00 w/ no esc servo or radio. the new venom is rtr for that price and only 370.00 to dealers

I have to agree. Way too much for me...

I wish that UPS guy would get here...

Jeff Wohlt
08-24-2009, 05:27 PM
Bob, I am back at work so not in front of me. I will know later but looks like lipos of many sizes will work.

Drag Boat Bob
08-24-2009, 05:40 PM
Bob, I am back at work so not in front of me. I will know later but looks like lipos of many sizes will work.

Thanks!

Wanted to get a head start on ordering batteries...

6S HYDRO
08-24-2009, 05:49 PM
look at the new 40c packs at hobby city, probably want about a 3-4000 4s per side- im thinking 2 5000 4s's will be too heavy for the boat- but i could be wrong.

Drag Boat Bob
08-24-2009, 05:55 PM
look at the new 40c packs at hobby city, probably want about a 3-4000 4s per side- im thinking 2 5000 4s's will be too heavy for the boat- but i could be wrong.

I think I want to start with 3s to see how she handles. I can always series up my 6500 2s that I use in the UL-1 (stack um). I have 4 of those.

Any suggestions on 3s packs?

6S HYDRO
08-24-2009, 05:59 PM
rhino 4900 3s 25c

Rhino 4900mAh 3S1P 25C Lipoly Pack
$44.95


0

455g

View product details

6S HYDRO
08-24-2009, 06:00 PM
here the whole 40c page- not much in high mah yet

http://hobbycity.com/hobbycity/store/uh_listCategoriesAndProducts.asp?catname=40C+Disch arge&idCategory=329&ParentCat=85

Drag Boat Bob
08-24-2009, 06:06 PM
On the Venom web site they show the 5400 3s packs in the boat. Their total weight for both is 998 grams.

4 of my 6500's have a total weight of 1308 grams. Not sure if that is too much or not. Hopefully it can handle an additional 300 grams.

I still plan on starting with 3s though.

Drag Boat Bob
08-24-2009, 06:08 PM
rhino 4900 3s 25c

Rhino 4900mAh 3S1P 25C Lipoly Pack
$44.95


0

455g

View product details


Nice price getting things started with 3s... Thanks!

Brushless55
08-24-2009, 06:31 PM
On the Venom web site they show the 5400 3s packs in the boat. Their total weight for both is 998 grams.

4 of my 6500's have a total weight of 1308 grams. Not sure if that is too much or not. Hopefully it can handle an additional 300 grams.

I still plan on starting with 3s though.

Possibly more stable at speed.. :thumbup1:

Drag Boat Bob
08-24-2009, 09:49 PM
It finally arrived. This boat looks very nice! Fit and finish are extremely well done.

The battery area is somewhat limited in height. The dimensions for the battery locations are (ea.): 6" long, 2 1/2" wide (to against the motor), 1 3/8" high (to the bottom of the hatch). Using my 4 6500 2s packs is out of the question.

They have incorporated the use of chokes in the ESC wires to the receiver. This is something I have wondered about, but not seen before (in rc), but again I am new to this sport.

Nice water exit holes on the sides via polished aluminum fittings.

Now back to putting it together...

Rumdog
08-24-2009, 09:57 PM
Looks awesome! I don't think i'd run 4s on those motors anyhow. Too high kv.

RCprince
08-24-2009, 10:05 PM
Thank you for the pics, looks awesome!

Jeff Wohlt
08-24-2009, 10:56 PM
Got back from running this evening and will try and upload. What a pretty boat!

All he had was 10,000 mah 2s packs. She still ran nice but it has to have 3S then some propping.

All in all I have to say this is one well done boat.

RCprince
08-24-2009, 11:05 PM
Boy, I was just about to go hire a private eye to find you. So we have a winner?

6S HYDRO
08-24-2009, 11:09 PM
Oh man, must had been slow as a dog on 2s

RCprince
08-24-2009, 11:19 PM
Not really, those motors are 2800 kv, I believe.

Jeff Wohlt
08-24-2009, 11:21 PM
It was slow but not as bad as you would think for the size and weight. Certainly I expected to see on top and faster but not with 2s. He is getting cells and may be on Tues/wed we can shoot something that picks her up a bit.


3S minimum. He did run it around forever and the motors were just warm. Nothing had issues and he must have run it for 15 minutes on and off.

ESCs cool and of course his 10,000 mah cells were not even warm.

It was a good test for the escs dragging them around like that. Never sputtered a bit.

I will get some vid up in the morning.

v-spec
08-24-2009, 11:43 PM
I will get some vid up in the morning.

Is it morning there yet? Don't tell me you did not mean 12am in the morning?

Brushless55
08-25-2009, 01:47 AM
congrats!

Jeff Wohlt
08-25-2009, 09:27 AM
yaaaawwwwwwnnnnnn....it is now. Glad I don't give you all my cell # or I probably would have been woken up with a call :)

I have to get to my real job shortly and will load something up. Not very impressive on 2S but at least you will know how it runs on that.

The boat is worth the $...I questioned that until I saw it.

v-spec
08-25-2009, 10:57 AM
yaaaawwwwwwnnnnnn....it is now. Glad I don't give you all my cell # or I probably would have been woken up with a call :)

I have to get to my real job shortly and will load something up. Not very impressive on 2S but at least you will know how it runs on that.

The boat is worth the $...I questioned that until I saw it.

I'm not so bad with the phone calls early in the morning thing but it does cross my mind! Hope to see the video when I get home from work!:beerchug:

bustitup
08-25-2009, 12:22 PM
Hope u guys are not mixing dif brands of lipoe....all specs should be exact same accept for mah
And must be the same brand and c rating

RCprince
08-25-2009, 12:51 PM
These guys are pros.

Brushless55
08-25-2009, 03:10 PM
These guys are pros.

arent we all? :rofl:

RCprince
08-25-2009, 03:25 PM
my point!

Brushless55
08-25-2009, 03:31 PM
my point!


This is great! :banana:
now anyone with a cool video of this cat? :thumbup1:

RCprince
08-25-2009, 03:42 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a60a2o4H5EI

Brushless55
08-25-2009, 03:51 PM
same ole video

RCprince
08-25-2009, 04:13 PM
:confused1::sorry:

Jeff Wohlt
08-25-2009, 04:27 PM
Mine is uploading now. Damn 180 meg file because I could not convert it to mpeg4 for some reason.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whfLqIBqQb0

You do not need the same brand of lipos to run you do not even need the same MAH if putting in series....just C rating and you can be fine. Yes there are differences in each pack but as long as you do not drain them or run them a long time it is fine. I do not like to do this but for a quick test it would be fine.

RCprince
08-25-2009, 04:30 PM
I've watched your channel before jeff, with AquaPalooza

Jeff Wohlt
08-25-2009, 04:37 PM
Watch the Lake of the Ozark one with me and my ad agency girls :) Rimante is from Romania and I just like to hear her talk!

Jeff Wohlt
08-25-2009, 04:40 PM
That other video is how it should run with 3 or 4S

I am trying to get him to use my Y-harnesses and plug up 4S per side.

bustitup
08-25-2009, 06:02 PM
You do not need the same brand of lipos to run you do not even need the same MAH if putting in series....just C rating and you can be fine. Yes there are differences in each pack but as long as you do not drain them or run them a long time it is fine. I do not like to do this but for a quick test it would be fine.


Sure Jeff and you can run regular Gas in a top fuel dragster but whats the point?

I was trying to teach people that dont know....... that its not cool to mix brands and c ratings of lipos in brushless setups

like the guy who had the "we are all pro's" comment

there is a reason Jeff doent like to do it but yes it can be done

Brushless55
08-25-2009, 06:53 PM
Sure Jeff and you can run regular Gas in a top fuel dragster but whats the point?
I was trying to teach people that dont know....... that its not cool to mix brands and c ratings of lipos in brushless setups



am I missing something :confused2:
I thought this was a FE site not nitro? :w00t:

Rumdog
08-25-2009, 07:07 PM
I wanna see a good vid of it on 3s. ASAP!! Before I build a cat that is. I'm more concerned with how it will corner.

Jeff Wohlt
08-25-2009, 10:57 PM
...the same reason I said C rating has to be the same. You were just stating something that was not totally true...brand names do not need to be the same.

Yes, some cells are better than others. The only point was for a couple test runs it is perfectly fine. People have some impression that there is some voodoo in lipo cells. Not true. With good setups you should never be pulling more than 70% of the amps the pack is rated for. I would not put a 2500 25 C pack with a PQ 6000 25c pack if I know I was going to pull 125 amps constantly. You would be stressing the 2500 pack.

I would agree and practice the same ideals. Better to have your cells in correct combos.

I did not know everything we posted was for teaching others all the time. Some real world has to be in there.

lomdel
08-26-2009, 11:17 AM
That other video is how it should run with 3 or 4S

I am trying to get him to use my Y-harnesses and plug up 4S per side.

Are we going to see your cat on 3S or 4S sometime? This really look like a beautifull boat. I would just find a way of getting rid of those two silicone water lines to enhance its scale appearance. Maybe some sponson mounted pick-ups?

RCprince
08-26-2009, 12:24 PM
Are we going to see your cat on 3S or 4S sometime? This really look like a beautifull boat. I would just find a way of getting rid of those two silicone water lines to enhance its scale appearance. Maybe some sponson mounted pick-ups?

http://www.offshoreelectrics.com/proddetail.php?prod=gnd-4191

Jeff Wohlt
08-26-2009, 12:46 PM
Probably one of the things I would change. They kind of take the scale look out. It also has a water p/u rudder but they have put a set screw in the hole at the top. A person could take that out and have a third water intake. I worry about the water intakes as they are not too good and especially if it were run at top speed. Either they will drag...no good...or they are only catching spray.

Yep...in the hull would be sweet.

That was not my boat and the dude is on vacation until Friday and I leave then but I think he already has packs coming for it. 2S was a joke but I have to say for the weight of the boat and size I was actually shocked it ran out like it did.

4s and this boat will rock. I do not see why it would not handle like a good german hull as it is virtually the same hull design from what I could see. Pretty shallow sponsons and not a large mass of air entering in the front so I think it will take some serious speed. Most people that ordered this boat are getting them in. I expect in the next week we will see a bunch of youtube videos.

Steven Vaccaro
08-26-2009, 01:00 PM
My shipment of them arrives today. I have 2 coming in, both for sale.

Whats infront of the motors? The black part? Looks like a gear box.

Jeff Wohlt
08-26-2009, 02:42 PM
Nope...ESCs rated each at 60 amps and water cooled. You are going to be inpressed. Slicker than snot man.

bigpapa
08-26-2009, 02:46 PM
now jeff snot really !!!!!!!!! lol

bigpapa
08-26-2009, 02:47 PM
gonna sell my ul-1 want one bad to play with the intruder s

Jeff Wohlt
08-26-2009, 02:50 PM
Well I had a better one but thought I would keep it cleaner for the kids.

This really is an awesome combo.

bigpapa
08-26-2009, 03:10 PM
kinda what i was thinkin have a great meeting when you get back gonna order some parts have fun.........

lomdel
08-27-2009, 02:42 PM
The official Venom videos are up! The first one is of the boat on 3S and the second one is a comparison between a 3S one and a 4S one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pzBwAIaypo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0YxjbNGlLE

6S HYDRO
08-27-2009, 02:52 PM
Nice, i knew this was a 4s boat

bustitup
08-27-2009, 03:14 PM
Very impressive and does sound awesome

Rumdog
08-27-2009, 03:37 PM
AWESOME! well worth the $500.00! She hanles good!

bustitup
08-28-2009, 02:54 PM
Hmmmmmmm


REQUIRES: AA Batteries: 8 for transmitter
Battery Packs: Two 4000mAh 11.1V LiPo OR two 5400mAh 11.1V LiPo OR
Two 7.2V NiMH 6-cell stick packs OR
Two 8.4V 7-cell NiMH Hump Packs OR
Two 9.6V 8-cell NiMH Hump Packs
IMPORTANT-do not mix battery types or capacities
Battery Charger: To match selected battery
Assembling boat stand, building and shore equipment

NitroVal
08-28-2009, 05:01 PM
FYI, if you are looking at getting Venom's batteries, they are the cheapest directly from Venom. Tower sells them for $40 more

Rumdog
08-28-2009, 05:05 PM
Venom batteries = no good!

Brushless55
08-28-2009, 09:15 PM
alot of info from the rcu forum..
venom batts are way over priced... :doh:

Eggy
08-28-2009, 10:56 PM
Anyone got some speed results on the EKOS ?? I've seen the vids but looks can fool you. I want to know if someone has done some Gps tests on 3S or 4S packs.

NitroVal
08-28-2009, 11:56 PM
I was using the OSE calculators and it was showing 32mph with a 3S and 42mph with a 4S. Im betting those nnumbers are a little conservative, but close. Im going out tomorrow with mine and some 3S batteries to see what she'll do and I'll bring along my GPS

6S HYDRO
08-29-2009, 12:31 AM
Ose calcs for twins?

NitroVal
08-29-2009, 01:35 AM
No just single, but i'd imagine its not far off.

6S HYDRO
08-29-2009, 01:48 AM
No it would be totally off.

NitroVal
08-29-2009, 01:53 AM
How so?

6S HYDRO
08-29-2009, 04:38 AM
Its double the thrust

RCprince
08-29-2009, 03:16 PM
wondering if the Neu 1115:1.5D (3500kv) or the 1y(2800kv) or a 2d(2600kv) would be a good upgrade?

NitroVal
08-29-2009, 08:57 PM
But it still would not affect top end. Even with twice the power, if both motors are spinning the same RPM and the same prop, the calculations should be similar. To test this theory, I finally was able to run mine today. With 4000mah 3S LiPos it did a top speed of 31.3mph in a light chop. I'll post videos when I get them edited.

NitroVal
08-29-2009, 09:29 PM
I dont think any of the Neu's would work. These motors are 380 size and most of the Neu's are 540 or bigger. I just ordered new mounts from OSE and when I've had my fun with the box stock, I'll throw them in along with a pair of Castle 5700's I have lying around (for now) and run it on the 3S. Should be interesting..

NitroVal
08-29-2009, 09:50 PM
Ok, heres an onboard ride with the EKOS I did today.. This boat handles like its on rails, except when you have a top heavy camera mounted on the deck, which is why the turns are a little slow. This was the first time it saw water, and I am very impressed. My only complaint (which may be driver error) is the steering servo seems pretty week. It had a hard time returning to center after a turn.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZntBmVcldM

RCprince
08-29-2009, 10:31 PM
I dont think any of the Neu's would work. These motors are 380 size and most of the Neu's are 540 or bigger. I just ordered new mounts from OSE and when I've had my fun with the box stock, I'll throw them in along with a pair of Castle 5700's I have lying around (for now) and run it on the 3S. Should be interesting..

The 1100 neu's are 380 size 28mm x 65mm the 1115

Brushless55
08-29-2009, 11:09 PM
I dont think any of the Neu's would work. These motors are 380 size and most of the Neu's are 540 or bigger. I just ordered new mounts from OSE and when I've had my fun with the box stock, I'll throw them in along with a pair of Castle 5700's I have lying around (for now) and run it on the 3S. Should be interesting..

You will let out the majic smoke!! :crying:

NitroVal
08-29-2009, 11:49 PM
The 1100 neu's are 380 size 28mm x 65mm the 1115

Oh ok, thats good to know. I was going strictly off what I saw on OSE's motor page.

Tunda
08-30-2009, 01:46 AM
I think you need to hold it wide open alittle longer and you should get more speed........

Rumdog
08-30-2009, 12:16 PM
Sweet vid man! Seems faster than 31 mph. Was it wide open as Tunda says?

NitroVal
08-30-2009, 12:42 PM
Yea, when I was measuring the speed, I didnt have the camera on and it was WOT. I was in a little cove, so I didnt have a whole lot of running room, but I think the boat had enough power to get up to full speed pretty quickly. There was a light chop, but the boat was staying glued to the water pretty well

Brushless55
08-30-2009, 01:09 PM
I like the rear rooster shot!

thrashmetal
08-30-2009, 08:39 PM
love this video .

this new kos looks like a really nice boat and i think it will really move one dual 4s lipos.

the venom guys tried one on 8s and it was flying. they had no issues running 8s on it so far.

NitroVal
08-30-2009, 08:54 PM
love this video .

the venom guys tried one on 8s and it was flying. they had no issues running 8s on it so far.

I somehow highly doubt that seeing as how:
A. The esc is only rated at 60 amps and 6S
B. The 2850kv motors would fly apart with that much power
C. One full throttle run with that power would turn it in a floating bomb

Eggy
08-30-2009, 09:12 PM
If you dont belive it check out the video, it's on youtube.

NitroVal
08-30-2009, 09:24 PM
Im gonna need a link cuz I dont see it

hebner
08-30-2009, 09:48 PM
That would be one 4s pack for each motor not 8s.

NitroVal
08-30-2009, 09:51 PM
That would be one 4s pack for each motor not 8s.

Thats all I could think that they are being mistaken by. This boat has dual motors and ESCs, so it requires two packs.

6S HYDRO
08-30-2009, 10:25 PM
2 4s packs- its not 8s and never states 8s.

Brushless55
08-31-2009, 01:16 AM
love this video .

this new kos looks like a really nice boat and i think it will really move one dual 4s lipos.

the venom guys tried one on 8s and it was flying. they had no issues running 8s on it so far.


The video shows the cat running on 4s packs.. :thumbup1:

Simon.O.
08-31-2009, 05:47 AM
I somehow highly doubt that seeing as how:
A. The esc is only rated at 60 amps and 6S
B. The 2850kv motors would fly apart with that much power
C. One full throttle run with that power would turn it in a floating bomb

You are correct
Rough estimates give the following figures with 8S power
140A per motor
3500W per motor
90+ mph based on 69000 rpm.

Now back to reality
I can tell you that a 31mm non-metal prop will blow at 40000 rpm (estimated)
A 380 fed with 3500W of power will cook a steak........well, if it survives.

I need not go on as it is clear that this hull will will run well on 4S PER motor
and not 8S as some may read.

If you really want proof then buy one and hook up 8S per side and see what happens.
It is not me you need to shout at when it all goes up in smoke.

Re-read the whole story and make some informed decisions.

I like the idea and proof that 380's can make a Cat this size rock. :banana:
It gives me a lot to work with.:thumbup1:

Well done Venom !!

Eggy
08-31-2009, 08:19 AM
Just so its clear the video says Dual 4S, thats 4S PER motor.
From my calculations that is just over 43.000RPM UNLOADED with fully charged packs. No way that the motors will get those numbers when under load.

I agree that trying to go 8S PER motor is not going to work.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0YxjbNGlLE

NitroVal
08-31-2009, 10:54 AM
A 4S will spin that motor unloaded at 42180rpm. Using OSE's calculator, I entered an 80% efficiency and 20% drag. This puts the motor right at 33744rpm loaded and a top speed of 42mph. I can vouch that this calculator is pretty accurate as with 3S batteries, it says top speed is 32mph, which I measured 31.3 on GPS..

Brushless55
08-31-2009, 12:04 PM
Anyone tried 4s yet with a gps?

NitroVal
08-31-2009, 01:11 PM
I just got back from the lake to try my prop mods. I filed down all the casting flash left over from the factory and polished the props in a tumbler last night. It seemed to have worked. New top speed was measured at 35.0mph in the same conditions (less wind) on 3S. I think there may be more left in it with some ESC programming (max out the timing perhaps?) and maybe some prop angle adjustments to reach that elusive claimed 40mph out of the box number.

Rumdog
08-31-2009, 01:33 PM
The FE calc does not factor in twin motors or hull size. Twin motors matters a lot. having twins allows the motors to work more efficiently because there is less load on each one. Plus it has twice the propulsion.

NitroVal
08-31-2009, 01:37 PM
I can agree to that. However I think the top speed wont be that far off versus a single motor. What the dual motor makes up for in power, it suffers in weight and drag, and vice versa for a single motor. Acceleration would definitely be quicker having dual motors.

Steven Vaccaro
08-31-2009, 01:39 PM
I haven't taken one apart yet, but from the looks of it, they are running on a gear box. That makes all the difference.

6S HYDRO
08-31-2009, 01:47 PM
No gear box- that is just the motor withouth the watercooler portion. They are direct drive

Steven Vaccaro
08-31-2009, 02:20 PM
No gear box- that is just the motor withouth the watercooler portion. They are direct drive

Interesting. Can't wait to see two things. 1st a motor without the sleeve. 2nd the longevity of these motors on 4s.

RCprince
08-31-2009, 02:26 PM
Interesting. Can't wait to see two things. 1st a motor without the sleeve. 2nd the longevity of these motors on 4s.

Steve would the Neu 1100 be an adequate upgrade, possibly the 1115 series. Due to space constraints.

Steven Vaccaro
08-31-2009, 03:27 PM
Power wise, I think so. They pack quite a punch. But they also pack quite a punch to the wallet.

RCprince
08-31-2009, 05:20 PM
I was also looking at these http://www.lightflightrc.com/HTML/products/ARC-28-58-1.htm

nomobux
09-01-2009, 06:25 AM
I just got back from the lake to try my prop mods. I filed down all the casting flash left over from the factory and polished the props in a tumbler last night. It seemed to have worked. New top speed was measured at 35.0mph in the same conditions (less wind) on 3S. I think there may be more left in it with some ESC programming (max out the timing perhaps?) and maybe some prop angle adjustments to reach that elusive claimed 40mph out of the box number.

I don't have the box in front of me at the moment, but I believe the 40 out of the box has a smallish print notation down below that says on 4S lipo.

Drag Boat Bob
09-01-2009, 11:14 AM
The box states:

"40mph/64kph speeds require 11.1v lipo battery packs"

Hopefully my batteries will arrive today...

NitroVal
09-01-2009, 01:29 PM
Yup, it say only 3S batteries.
I ran again today with the x442 props. Pretty impressive, 8.6mph gain. New best 43.6mph with nothing but props. They may be a little big though. I think the amp draw would be excessive with 4S batteries. The motors and ESC were warm, but the motor wires were hot. Im gonna run again tomorrow and take my temp gun to make sure. Anyone know how hot is too hot?
This helps my decide that the OSE calculator is pretty dead on, even though its for single motors and this boat runs dual motors. The calculator put my top speed at 42mph

Brushless55
09-01-2009, 01:30 PM
The box states:

"40mph/64kph speeds require 11.1v lipo battery packs"

Hopefully my batteries will arrive today...

That's what I was thinkin.. :thumbup:

NitroVal
09-02-2009, 01:45 AM
Another vid from yesterday. Bare with me as I was driving with one hand, filming with the other, and trying to avoid trees and rocks from our constantly dropping lake levels
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6YPG5v1630
Loving this boat more and more everyday

Doby
09-02-2009, 08:05 AM
Nice obstical course you have set up!

nomobux
09-02-2009, 12:38 PM
Yes ... I woulda crashed for sure. :bounce:

NitroVal
09-02-2009, 01:16 PM
Yea Im starting to get a little worried about my spot. Its a closed boat ramp due to the water level being too low, but the lake is dropping a foot every week, so I dont know what is lying just beneath the surface that I cant see. I cant imagine hitting a rock at 40mph

6S HYDRO
09-02-2009, 01:20 PM
dont

Drag Boat Bob
09-02-2009, 01:24 PM
Well, the maiden voyage of my new EKOS was disappointing. At first things appeared ok. Turning was sharp without any roll. I made a couple of WOT passes and she looked like the low thirties in mph (GPS indicated 33.9 mph on 3S).

All of a sudden she would not turn to the right. I finally got her back by making short bursts of throttle and full right rudder.

When I opened her up the infamous smoke billowed up. Thinking an electrical short of some kind I quickly disconnected the batteries. I then noticed that the insulation on all three port side motor leads had melted away (about an inch long). I took the temp at 171 degrees. I’m sure it was a lot hotter earlier, as I had a long walk back from the lake.

Calls to Venom went to voice mail (twice)… :mad:

Guess I am back to running the UL-1…

6S HYDRO
09-02-2009, 01:33 PM
ugh thats not good. i remember trying to contact venom on their charger usb computer connection and they never returned my call

NitroVal
09-02-2009, 01:36 PM
Thats been my biggest concern.. Even though my motors and ESCs are warm, the motor wires are always HOT.. Im thinking they either used some crap low grade high resistance chinese wire, or its just the wrong gauge

nomobux
09-02-2009, 03:33 PM
Gawd. Don't wanna hear that. I'm still waiting for batts. Keep us updated please. I was a liitle worried getting this, considering the time frame ( winters is coming fast ) and this being the 1st run. I hope Venom takes this into consideration and takes care of us early guys. Venom .. you out there and reading these posts ?

Drag Boat Bob
09-02-2009, 05:47 PM
Venom update...

I posted my tale of woe on ('''different site''') as well as here and it was picked up by 'Venom Media'. Within an hour I received a call from a Venom rep. He was both courteous and understanding. They are allowing me to send in the motor instead of the whole boat (Thanks again Venom).

Let me say that you need very small hands to remove the motor. I am sure that it will be a challenge to install the new one.

Once the motor was removed I found that the water jacket appears to be a restrictive component. Blowing into the other lines became much easier once the motor (and water jacket) was eliminated from the stream.

I did notice during my pre launch check that the port side water line was harder to blow through than the starboard side, but air did flow.

On the good side, the bolts into the motor through the mounts are both larger in diameter and 3 times as long as the ones on the UL-1.

I will post pics when I get off of this 14.4k dialup.

6S HYDRO
09-02-2009, 06:00 PM
you should have just sent a picture of the damage and had them send out a new motor today. then by the time you get the motor out it will be there. they know these boats are brand new c'mon

Drag Boat Bob
09-02-2009, 06:16 PM
They actually are trying to get another motor to me before I leave this cabin. I will know tomorrow if they were able to ship one. If they don't send it by tomorrow then they will have to send it to my home as I am leaving in a week.

Let's wait and see...

NitroVal
09-02-2009, 06:30 PM
Thats good they took care of you. Its smart they know the amount of internet attention this boat is getting could hamper the sales of their next batch..
I took my motors out and it was a bitch to get out. I was thinking of getting that "L" shaped tool OSE sells. One thing I should have mentioned when I got my EKOS was the port motor outlet hose was kinked. I had to reroute the hose in order to fix it..
But mine runs like a bat out of hell. I managed a new top speed today of 45.1 on the same exact setup. I think there is still more in with a little bit better "refinement" of the props and drive angle (seems to be riding a little nose high), and when I can remember my temp gun, I may try to bump the timing up a bit.. Gonna see if this thing will do 50mph with 3S. I think I may try to utilize the the water port on the rudder. Perhaps for some battery cooling or making it the supply for the motors to help keep them a bit cooler

Drag Boat Bob
09-02-2009, 07:12 PM
NitroVal,

Did you notice that the motor mounts have two threaded holes in the top? I believe these are the water jacketed type. I used a small tube to blow into one and it came out the other. All you need is a couple of hose fittings for each motor.

NitroVal
09-02-2009, 07:56 PM
I was curious what those were. I thought they were just mounting holes. Good observation. I wonder why Venom put so many unused cooling options on this boat..

NitroVal
09-03-2009, 07:55 PM
D'oh :doh:
(watch till the end)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rz_feW7scWU

New tops speed, 46.9mph
Still on 3S 20C's

Brushless55
09-03-2009, 08:22 PM
Yup, it say only 3S batteries.
I ran again today with the x442 props. Pretty impressive, 8.6mph gain. New best 43.6mph with nothing but props. They may be a little big though. I think the amp draw would be excessive with 4S batteries. The motors and ESC were warm, but the motor wires were hot. Im gonna run again tomorrow and take my temp gun to make sure. Anyone know how hot is too hot?
This helps my decide that the OSE calculator is pretty dead on, even though its for single motors and this boat runs dual motors. The calculator put my top speed at 42mph


Do you have a shot of a gps with your mph? :cool2:

NitroVal
09-03-2009, 08:40 PM
I think its still saved on my GPS, but no, not one with the GPS in the boat. I can take one tomorrow though..

NitroVal
09-04-2009, 07:34 PM
http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q278/PerformanceTurbo/RC/IMG_2721.jpg

6S HYDRO
09-05-2009, 12:59 AM
what are you using to space those 442 props, isnt this boat setup for 4mm

Simon.O.
09-05-2009, 06:37 AM
A sleeve of 3/16 K&S tube will slide between a 3/16 ID prop and a 4mm smooth shaft.

It works for me, and no, I do not have a EKOS.
I just make my own hardware for all of my hulls and got to know how stuff works. :thumbup1:

NitroVal
09-05-2009, 10:00 AM
OSE sells a 4mm to 3/16" conversion sleeve. Fits like a glove.. Although Im probably gonna swap out these stock shafts soon. The threads on them are junk

Drag Boat Bob
09-05-2009, 11:40 AM
NitroVal,

Did you cut the foam out of the hatch to make room for the GPS?

Also, I see that you changed the connectors to deans.

No more running for me, as Venom did not ship a replacement motor. When I called to check they had no record of my motor failure...

It has become a real nice looking dust collector however...

Several neighbors are still laughing after the maiden voyage.

nomobux
09-05-2009, 11:46 AM
Don't ya just hate dust collectors. I have a bunch. Still waiting for the batts ( at least no smoke :olleyes: )

NitroVal
09-05-2009, 01:52 PM
Yea, I took the foam out the second I got the boat. It was a pain in the ass trying to get the hatch on over all the wires, so I figured the more room the better. I have Deans connectors on all my R/C stuff. I love how they always have a tight connection. However I have never run them on something with such high amperage, so I dont know how well they will do when its time to upgrade.
Dont get discouraged man, its a fun boat when it runs.

Brushless55
09-05-2009, 07:57 PM
I think its still saved on my GPS, but no, not one with the GPS in the boat. I can take one tomorrow though..

I'm confused!
no actual gps pics with the boat now there is? :doh:
so you just placed the gps in the boat after you made a run without the gps in the boat?

Not sure if I buy the speed of this twin on 3s

NitroVal
09-05-2009, 08:33 PM
That about sums it up. You wanted a pic of the GPS in the boat so there ya go. If you dont believe it, it wont hurt my feelings. I know it goes that fast. Would it really be any different if I went out tomorrow, made the same speed runs and took another picture?

Brushless55
09-05-2009, 09:23 PM
That about sums it up. You wanted a pic of the GPS in the boat so there ya go. If you dont believe it, it wont hurt my feelings. I know it goes that fast. Would it really be any different if I went out tomorrow, made the same speed runs and took another picture?


Actually it would with the video running! :banana:

RCprince
09-05-2009, 09:32 PM
Nitro, don't take it personal...we just have a policy here that "seeing is believing" we've had so many charlatans on here with set ups that we know could not do what they claimed. Guys have even place the gps in their car and drive down the highway, then come back and place it in their boats and presto 'I've just did 50, see! my gps says so.So like I said it's not personal.

NitroVal
09-05-2009, 11:01 PM
I understand, and I dont have a problem with it. The reason I havent done it yet is because of how long it takes me to get the damned hatch off, as well as making a video that is 10 minutes long of the same laps. It will do the 47mph, but probably only in the first minute of run time while the batteries are fully charged. I dont see the need to bring it in when there is still run time left on the batts and have to waste hatch tape to prove a point.
But if you really need it, so be it...

Brushless55
09-06-2009, 12:18 AM
Odd, me as well as others love to spend the time and waste some tape and take the extra time to show the viewers the actual speed on the gps.. and it only takes a few minutes on video...
in other words, we love to show others just how fast our FEs go! :thumbup1:

RCprince
09-06-2009, 12:59 AM
I understand, and I dont have a problem with it. The reason I havent done it yet is because of how long it takes me to get the damned hatch off, as well as making a video that is 10 minutes long of the same laps. It will do the 47mph, but probably only in the first minute of run time while the batteries are fully charged. I dont see the need to bring it in when there is still run time left on the batts and have to waste hatch tape to prove a point.
But if you really need it, so be it...

The Gps will record the highest speed.

nate
09-07-2009, 04:27 PM
Is anyone yet interested in swapping over two hydra 240's, two X445's, and two Neu 1515 1.5y 1500's set on 5s-6s? Then someone is going to be reporting some major high 60's or a Nice crash! I want to see this thing on some diffrent motor swaps..just curious tho, Im wondering how hard it would be to replace those motor mounts for some 540 mount's?

Brushless55
09-07-2009, 04:59 PM
60's
That sounds more like upper 70's
and I love this video!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEjJRiPyEyM

RCprince
09-07-2009, 05:43 PM
Is anyone yet interested in swapping over two hydra 240's, two X445's, and two Neu 1515 1.5y 1500's set on 5s-6s? Then someone is going to be reporting some major high 60's or a Nice crash! I want to see this thing on some diffrent motor swaps..just curious tho, Im wondering how hard it would be to replace those motor mounts for some 540 mount's?

I've heard from venom, on another site that they won't fit. Only the 1115 will.

EATMYWAKE
09-07-2009, 08:55 PM
is the stut adjustable? sorry to crash the thread... :D

Brushless55
09-09-2009, 12:10 AM
Yes, I think they are? :confused2:

Chris Nicastro
09-11-2009, 07:06 PM
Hey guys just joining you. Thanks for the feedback on our EKOS, we are very excited to bring this product to you.
If you like what you see then stay tuned we have plenty more were this is coming from. We are developing these products to meet your needs for speed and quality. Unfortunately those can be expensive words so the challenge we have taken on is to achieve that goal and meet a reasonable price point.
If you purchase a Venom product of any kind and have an issue with it please dont hesitate to contact us. The sooner the better and if youtry and fix it yourself you just might void any help we could render so please ask first then go from there.

We are expecting our next shipment of EKOS's on Monday so if you interested in one please place an order as soon as you can, they are going fast! We have sold out before and it looks like we are on track to do it again.

Ive done extensive all weather testing on this boat so feel free to ask me any questions you have about the EKOS.

Yes the drives are adjustable and rebuildable, CNC machined Arneson style, ball bearing, with 4mm shafts.

Have a great weekend,

Chris

6S HYDRO
09-11-2009, 08:47 PM
hey dragboat bob, did these guys get you a new motor yet. theyr on the forum now

Drag Boat Bob
09-12-2009, 12:10 AM
hey dragboat bob, did these guys get you a new motor yet. theyr on the forum now

I talked with two different guys at Venom. Both were very cordial and said that they would send me a new motor. The second one said that there was no record of my motor failure...

Well that was 10 days ago, and still no motor.

At this point, I really don't care, as I had to leave the cabin. I will let everyone else be the judge on their customer service...

Is 10 days reasonable??? You be the judge...

Drag Boat Bob
09-12-2009, 12:31 AM
Sorry,... I said 10 days...

I actually do not know how long it will be, as I am still waiting...

nomobux
09-12-2009, 11:15 AM
It will be interesting to learn the reason for the delay. I certainly hope support and parts are available. Last I looked, nothing is in stock.
Just checked. They are now showing some parts in stock.

bustitup
09-12-2009, 11:36 AM
Hello and welcome to these forums

I have a question...I notice that tower hobbies has parts listed for this boat but none in stock.....I also see a hull listed....question is will there be a "hull only" for sale?...and if so when do you think that might be?


Hey guys just joining you. Thanks for the feedback on our EKOS, we are very excited to bring this product to you.
If you like what you see then stay tuned we have plenty more were this is coming from. We are developing these products to meet your needs for speed and quality. Unfortunately those can be expensive words so the challenge we have taken on is to achieve that goal and meet a reasonable price point.
If you purchase a Venom product of any kind and have an issue with it please dont hesitate to contact us. The sooner the better and if youtry and fix it yourself you just might void any help we could render so please ask first then go from there.

We are expecting our next shipment of EKOS's on Monday so if you interested in one please place an order as soon as you can, they are going fast! We have sold out before and it looks like we are on track to do it again.

Ive done extensive all weather testing on this boat so feel free to ask me any questions you have about the EKOS.

Yes the drives are adjustable and rebuildable, CNC machined Arneson style, ball bearing, with 4mm shafts.

Have a great weekend,

Chris

orgear
09-12-2009, 11:37 AM
I finally got mine on thurs, i ran it friday on six cell NiMH because the 3s lipos are on order. I had no real problems, just a lot of time adujsting the steering. It works great at speed but makes it very hard to turn a low speed. I took it out this morning and it worked fine for about 3.5 secs then started acting up. The throtle was not responding to input, then acting on its own. I thought the esc's might come programed in lipo mode and the low voltage cut off might have been the prob. So, I went to reprogram them. The first one went fine, the second will not go into programing mode, the motor just beeps as soon as you hook the pack up and doesn't quit until you unplug it, any suggestions?

Also my Tx doesn't have the EKOS model program, it was on the GPV-1. Does this matter or is it just pre-programed settings that I can adjust on my own?

Thanks

EATMYWAKE
09-12-2009, 12:00 PM
Hey guys just joining you. Thanks for the feedback on our EKOS, we are very excited to bring this product to you.
If you like what you see then stay tuned we have plenty more were this is coming from. We are developing these products to meet your needs for speed and quality. Unfortunately those can be expensive words so the challenge we have taken on is to achieve that goal and meet a reasonable price point.
If you purchase a Venom product of any kind and have an issue with it please dont hesitate to contact us. The sooner the better and if youtry and fix it yourself you just might void any help we could render so please ask first then go from there.

We are expecting our next shipment of EKOS's on Monday so if you interested in one please place an order as soon as you can, they are going fast! We have sold out before and it looks like we are on track to do it again.

Ive done extensive all weather testing on this boat so feel free to ask me any questions you have about the EKOS.

Yes the drives are adjustable and rebuildable, CNC machined Arneson style, ball bearing, with 4mm shafts.

Have a great weekend,

Chris

design a newer modle of the boat 36" or more. with more commonly used parts such as a 540 sized motor. same speed as the EKOS's just bigger and easier to find parts for and for around the same price. id buy it...

dont forget the better gauge wire!

Drag Boat Bob
09-12-2009, 12:04 PM
Now that I am back to a decent internet connection, I thought I'd post pics of the motor.

bustitup
09-12-2009, 12:07 PM
Now that I am back to a decent internet connection, I thought I'd post pics of the motor.


ahhhhh just put some new heatshrink on those leads and crank it back up...and keep a bag of marshmellows by your side too

nomobux
09-12-2009, 12:09 PM
Hello and welcome to these forums

I have a question...I notice that tower hobbies has parts listed for this boat but none in stock.....I also see a hull listed....question is will there be a "hull only" for sale?...and if so when do you think that might be?

If you go to Venoms site, they actually show the hull and hatch in stock for $159.99

nomobux
09-12-2009, 12:11 PM
Now that I am back to a decent internet connection, I thought I'd post pics of the motor.

It should buff out ok :just-kidding:

Drag Boat Bob
09-12-2009, 12:41 PM
To everyone who is thinking of buying this boat -

Save the money and skip the 3s.

Go directly (and do not pass go) to 4s (I should have listened to 6sHydro :doh:).

Even though this is a nice running boat on 3s (I think), most on this forum would end up on 4s anyway. Just my 2 cents...

I think that NitroVal is installing 2-Neu 1515-1y in his EKOS. I think that he just cannot give up on airplanes...:sarcasm1:

6S HYDRO
09-12-2009, 04:10 PM
ya thats what i thought but how long did you run it dragboat? if it burnt up the wires on 3s like that, i cant imagine being able to run very long on 4s without the wires melting.

RCprince
09-12-2009, 05:02 PM
From what I heard, one of the cooling tubes was kinked under the motor, so the motor over heated.

Drag Boat Bob
09-12-2009, 05:20 PM
From what I heard, one of the cooling tubes was kinked under the motor, so the motor over heated.

There were no kinks in the water tubing. See my post #185:
http://www.offshoreelectrics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=121327&postcount=185

I believe the problem has to do with the motor water jacket. It was much easier to blow throught the lines once the motor was removed from the stream.

NitroVal
09-12-2009, 05:29 PM
Yea, one of the problems with this boat is its assembly. When you get, you have to go over ever screw and make sure its tight as well as double check all the cooling hoses to make sure they arent kinked or pinched. I was satisfied on 3S with a prop upgrade. I figure it runs as fast as the 4S setup on stock props, but for less money (that wasnt my main premise by the way). I knew I would be trying 5S or even 6S in the future with new electrics, so I figured just get some off the shelf batteries and not have to wait for ordered ones.
But now that my last run resulted in it dropping a flex shaft, Im out of comission for a while. I figure instead of trying to get parts that may or may not exist with Venom as of right now, Im just going to convert to piano wire or maybe a 3/16" flex shaft setup. The new ESCs and 5S batteries should be here next week. I already have the motor mounts and some more cooling hardware, so I wil get to work on that as well next week. When the funds get replenished then I'll order my Neu's

Brushless55
09-12-2009, 05:49 PM
From what I heard, one of the cooling tubes was kinked under the motor, so the motor over heated.

I don't think over heating a motor would cause this, looks more like a defect from the manufacture.. :crying:

Drag Boat Bob
09-12-2009, 05:51 PM
Yea, one of the problems with this boat is its assembly. When you get, you have to go over ever screw and make sure its tight as well as double check all the cooling hoses to make sure they arent kinked or pinched. I was satisfied on 3S with a prop upgrade. I figure it runs as fast as the 4S setup on stock props, but for less money (that wasnt my main premise by the way). I knew I would be trying 5S or even 6S in the future with new electrics, so I figured just get some off the shelf batteries and not have to wait for ordered ones.
But now that my last run resulted in it dropping a flex shaft, Im out of comission for a while. I figure instead of trying to get parts that may or may not exist with Venom as of right now, Im just going to convert to piano wire or maybe a 3/16" flex shaft setup. The new ESCs and 5S batteries should be here next week. I already have the motor mounts and some more cooling hardware, so I wil get to work on that as well next week. When the funds get replenished then I'll order my Neu's

If at all possible, take pictures of your upgrade process. It will help the rest of us in the future.

Of course, thanks in advance...

RCprince
09-12-2009, 06:03 PM
There were no kinks in the water tubing. See my post #185:
http://www.offshoreelectrics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=121327&postcount=185

I believe the problem has to do with the motor water jacket. It was much easier to blow throught the lines once the motor was removed from the stream.

Restriction was the word.

Brushless55
09-12-2009, 06:25 PM
Now that I am back to a decent internet connection, I thought I'd post pics of the motor.

Maybe we should pass the offering plate around and help Drag Boat Bob get some new NEU or Fiegao 380s.. :thumbup1:

Drag Boat Bob
09-12-2009, 07:38 PM
I can hear the coins clinking already..LOL!

In the meantime...

What do you think of replacing both motors with a couple of Ammo 28-56-3200's and run them on the 3s batteries that I have? Of course I would have to find some water jackets that fit.

At least they are in stock at Tower and I could get them in a couple of days.

http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXLWY8&P=7

The stock venom motor is approx 53mm long. It is hard to tell with the way the water jacket extends beyond the back end of the motor. It's almost 61mm including the water jacket.

RCprince
09-12-2009, 08:10 PM
I can hear the coins clinking already..LOL!

In the meantime...

What do you think of replacing both motors with a couple of Ammo 28-56-3200's and run them on the 3s batteries that I have? Of course I would have to find some water jackets that fit.

At least they are in stock at Tower and I could get them in a couple of days.

http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXLWY8&P=7

The stock venom motor is approx 53mm long. It is hard to tell with the way the water jacket extends beyond the back end of the motor. It's almost 61mm including the water jacket.

I've been looking at these http://www.lightflightrc.com/HTML/products/ARC-28-58-1.htm

Drag Boat Bob
09-12-2009, 09:45 PM
I've been looking at these http://www.lightflightrc.com/HTML/products/ARC-28-58-1.htm

Since these guys are not too far from me, I will look into their products.

I will say that it looks good on paper...

RCprince
09-12-2009, 10:30 PM
Check Rcgroups, some guys are pulling 1500-2000watts on 6s+

RCprince
09-12-2009, 10:32 PM
Since these guys are not too far from me, I will look into their products.

I will say that it looks good on paper...

Dave a cool dude, I've ordered from him many times, kinda reminds me of Steve.

flacat
09-13-2009, 06:17 PM
You can go to www.venom-group.com and get this hull and everthing to set it up for months.

Bob Bighinatti
09-13-2009, 07:12 PM
My two cents on vemon group I had a bad 5400 3s lipo I bought from a local hobby shop .I had to return it to vemon . It took 4 months and I can not count
how maney phone calls . I finley emailed my dipleasure to them. and I finley got a new battery, but it was not the same it was a5000 3s but they said it was the same with a differnt lable. I wont buy from them agine
Bob Big:thumbsdown:

flacat
09-13-2009, 07:29 PM
I have never have never ordered anything from them.And I am sorry for your missfortune I was just passing on info.:w00t:

Chris Nicastro
09-14-2009, 01:11 PM
Every company has these unfortunate customer servce issues and we are not immune to them either. We do have a great reputation for customer support & service but unfortunately the squeeky wheel gets all the attention and its the only thing everyone keys in on and hears. Not every single product off a production line cranking out thousands of units is perfect and we expect a defective rate. That is what the Customer Service Department is for to handle that percentage of Defects that can get past the QC checks.
We want your experience with us to be a good one.
That being said we are all adults here and communication is a two way street. There is a level of responsibilty on the part of the customer/operator in the Hobby level to go over their RC vehicle and check it for any issues. We are all operating a vehicle that can cause damage or personal injury. If there is an issue with a product you really should contact us right away because if you try and fix it you may void any warranty that could have replaced it for you. Its just better to check first than be sorry later. Its easy and simple to do.

We did have a couple employees in Customer Service that ended up falling short of our expectations...they are no longer with us. They may have mishandled your claims in the past and I'm not making excuses for them but we have taken measures to improve and correct past issues.
We did change our Lipo labeling to comply with mandatory government regulations on shipping of batteries. At that time if you had an exchange or if you had purchased batteries you would have noticed the change. In some cases we could change the label and in others we dropped the product. In addition we revamped our entire Lipo line and we have expanded it to include more high capacity packs and higher C rated packs.

While we are on the subject of Venom Lipos I just want to mention that I have done the majority of Lipo testing here or have overseen it and I have established the protocols and we have tested pretty much all the batteries that are made in the world. What we sell is the best that you can afford for the hobby and we are confident to put our packs to the test with any brand. Yes there are less expensive packs to buy but you get what you pay for. Our packs deliver the power and capacity they advertise. We have discharged packs to the limit to prove this and the results are +/- 95% capacity discharge at Max C rates while maintaining a safe temperature. I dont suggest you try this stress test on your packs as we are willing to destroy them in testing but it proves a point. These are quality Lipo packs. There are a lot of inflated claims and fantastic numbers out there and I'm pleased to say we are not a part of that and our product line shows this. We do not have huge C ratings on our packs in fact they seem conservative but they are real.

Sorry for the book guys but if you have any questions or concerns you can reach me here and I'll do what I can to help you.

Chris Nicastro
Director of R&D
Venom Group Intl.
USA

Doby
09-14-2009, 02:10 PM
That being said we are all adults here

You are making one heck of an assumption with that statement:biggrin:

Otherwise, nicely stated.:beerchug:

Brushless55
09-14-2009, 02:17 PM
Now that I am back to a decent internet connection, I thought I'd post pics of the motor.

Soooo venom, where is this mans motor? :popcorn2:

flacat
09-14-2009, 02:39 PM
Hey chris I don't know if you read the reply to my first message I was just trying to help with info! Not product or company bashing.This was my first attempt at communication on this site and if I am going to be attacked for trying to pass on helpful info on the new king boat and where to find it maybe I"ll let you handle it? While everybody takes their hard earn money and buys something else.So once agin I am sorry for anyones misfortune and hopefully I will not get hit from all sides.again
just trying to pass on what I thougt would be helpful info!

Chris Nicastro
09-14-2009, 02:40 PM
Drag Boat Bob if you would like to contact me I will be happy to help you sort out your motor replacement.

Chris

Chris Nicastro
09-14-2009, 02:44 PM
Hey chris I don't know if you read the reply to my first message I was just trying to help with info! Not product or company bashing.This was my first attempt at communication on this site and if I am going to be attacked for trying to pass on helpful info on the new king boat and where to find it maybe I"ll let you handle it? While everybody takes their hard earn money and buys something else.So once agin I am sorry for anyones misfortune and hopefully I will not get hit from all sides.again
just trying to pass on what I thougt would be helpful info!

Hey no harm/foul and I'm not pointing any fingers. I just want to make a simple and short statement and move forward wth supporting our product. As a company we have to set our stance on certain things so we are all on the same page.

Chris

Chris Nicastro
09-14-2009, 04:34 PM
Ive been asked what class does the C1 EKOS qualify for. Looking at the NAMBA rule book, http://www.namba.com/content/library/rules/namba_rulebook.pdf , I would have to say that it qualifies for classes P and Q in Offshore Electrics, see section 28 page 10. If there is an official among us here maybe he can look it over and verify that.

Drag Boat Bob
09-14-2009, 04:36 PM
Drag Boat Bob if you would like to contact me I will be happy to help you sort out your motor replacement.

Chris

PM sent...

Chris Nicastro
09-14-2009, 04:43 PM
OK thanks Bob.

For IMPBA it looks like the EKOS qualifies under Fast Electrics class P & Q as a "Tunnel Hull". Again if you plan to race please see/email/call an official and make sure your race legal before you get all up and ready to go.